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NANDROLONE OPINION
- Thread starter rocky.b
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How you respond to it. Those ratings are just a general indication based on older studies (on rats I believe)?
I believe all the older generation of AAS which have at some point been used for medicine, have had their anabolic effectiveness/rating confirmed in humans. Rat studies or in-vitro is generally the first phase of testing. Generally it should give you an accurate estimate on how effective the anabolic effect of a given steroid is, but as you said; how you respond to it. If you don't aromatize and 5a-reductase differently from the "general" population, testosterone's anabolic and androgenic rating of 100 is not exactly 100% accurate.
Like with everything, there are some exceptions. Halotestin and Proviron have very little anabolic activity confirmed in humans even though their ratings which imply equivalent of Testosterone (Proviron) or 19x higher anabolic activity (Halotestin). And in case of Masteron, the "low" rating of 62 seems to be not 100% accurate as it seems to be almost on par with Testosterone in humans when anabolic activity is concerned. And then you have compound like Anavar where the rating is simply expressed as a range of 320-630.
People saying mg of one AAS is always equivalent of mg of another AAS are broscientists who like to nitpick on these exceptions to "prove" that the whole systemic approach on estimating anabolic and androgenic activity of different steroids is bullshit. No, broscience in general is bullshit.
This is pretty much definitively going to be test but it’s genetics. Some guys blast for decades and have full heads of hair. Some guys lose hair on their first cycle. Gyno 100% test.
OmL
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Would 100mg of deca per week provide any benefits in regards to building additional muscle?
I know I’m asking “does more drugs do more stuff”, but I mean is it a viable tool to use at that dosage?
I know I’m asking “does more drugs do more stuff”, but I mean is it a viable tool to use at that dosage?
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I think saying test “100%” is more likely to give gyno is absolutely incorrect. Nan increases e2 and prolactin. Both will give you gyno. Saying nan won’t just shows your ignorance
Show me where nand meaningfully raises estrogen. I’ll wait. And on those lines, we almost never see prolactin issues without elevated estrogen alongside it.
Call me whatever the fuck helps you sleep at night bud, really couldn’t care less.
Plenty of guys have deca in at a small dose and do just fine: 100-200mg will absolutely help, but it’s still a question of what it’s alongside and total mg, of course. Unfortunately many add in these small doses of drugs as a cruise and turn a crisis into a mini-blast. Should be avoided.
hallomonde
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Now.... 100mg of deca Vs 100 mg of mast, which one is more useful paired with 180-200 test?
Type-IIx
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300 mg Deca vs. 300 mg Test E x 6 weeks didn't show a significant between-group difference in muscle gain, but wouldn't expect it to at those doses/durations, not least of all because there were like 8 or 9 subjects, and the researchers used calipers, which are subject to a great deal of unreliability (inter- & intra- rater variability due to technique differences between measurements and between measurers) in the wrong hands. They're great for practical use in skilled hands. The data from [this thread] showed a clear greater N retention potency for nandrolone versus Primo and Dbol under strictly controlled nutritional manipulations, but without training and not perfectly representative of practical use in bodybuilding.
Those rodent anabolic/androgenic ratings are totally useless in humans.
Test is worse than Deca in causing gynecomastia and hair loss, assumptions about genetic factors aside. Deca can still cause gyno in susceptible individuals, though, because of progestagenic effects. See Article on distinguishing progestins, prolactin, and progestagenic androgens (e.g., Tren, MENT, Deca) & SERM vs. AI logic [by Type-IIx]. Can't really see it causing hair loss at sane doses. Any AI use would be worse for hair than the nandrolone.
Those rodent anabolic/androgenic ratings are totally useless in humans.
Test is worse than Deca in causing gynecomastia and hair loss, assumptions about genetic factors aside. Deca can still cause gyno in susceptible individuals, though, because of progestagenic effects. See Article on distinguishing progestins, prolactin, and progestagenic androgens (e.g., Tren, MENT, Deca) & SERM vs. AI logic [by Type-IIx]. Can't really see it causing hair loss at sane doses. Any AI use would be worse for hair than the nandrolone.
OmL
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I see how vague I was, I’m cruising on 200mg test U, my Oestrogen keeps in range without any AI on this dosage.
I just happen to have a lot of Deca on hand and am looking for a way to use it to assess my tolerance for future reference and use.
I do plan on using Deca on a blast at the end of the spring, alongside testosterone.
Would I likely see any benefit to assessing my tolerance now?
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Wow it took me a whole 7 seconds to find this.
Nandrolone itself shows significant binding affinity and full agonist activity with the alpha-estrogen receptor (47). Indeed, increased serum estrogen levels in men have been associated with development of gynecomastia, increased body fat mass, and unfavorable lipid profiles
Beyond testosterone cypionate: evidence behind the use of nandrolone in male health and wellness
Characterized by low serum testosterone levels and diverse symptoms, male hypogonadism is a common condition. Current medical treatment focuses on testosterone supplementation using multiple modalities such as injections, gels and pellets. Interestingly, ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
connoristiny
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Which is worse for cardiovascular health? Test or Nand?
Probably depends on genetics and certainly dose.
I've run 500 test with zero cardio issues.
I've run 500 NPP and felt like I was going to have a heart attack.
Can you go into more detail on the AI and hair loss?
I switched to NPP for a more favorable hair profile than what I got from test.
It certainly helped.
Thanks
Those are two separate sentences, that does not support nandrolone increasing serum estrogen.
Progesterone, and presumably progestogenic steroids, do agonize the effects of estrogen.
connoristiny
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What symptoms on NPP? Heart palpitations, high HR, shortness of breath?
Each of the three you just mentioned.
I never had high blood pressure, never had shortness of breath, never had palpitations, until introducing NPP.
HOWEVER
The NPP I used during this period, was from an otherwise very reliable Test source on this board - and I think it was pure shit.
I've since switched to a different source for NPP and have not had the same symptoms, though I now use a real blood pressure medication (not Telmisartan)
But I also no longer exceed 350 NPP weekly.
