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Cridi887 said:
i just saw they use that drug to try to breast feed. not for gyno
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Do any of you know how to read jfc lol

What happens when prolactin increases? You produce milk and you get gyno.

Domperidone (10 mg, i.v.) caused significant increases in serum prolactin in all cases within 15 min after the injection.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Effects of domperidone on serum prolactin levels in human beings - PubMed

Effects of domperidone, a dopaminergic antagonist, on serum prolactin levels were studied in 6 normal men and 6 normal cyclic women at the different phases of their menstrual cycles (i.e., the follicular, the preovulatory and the luteal phases). Domperidone (10 mg, i.v.) caused significant...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
5scoops said:
Do any of you know how to read jfc lol

What happens when prolactin increases? You produce milk and you get gyno.

Domperidone (10 mg, i.v.) caused significant increases in serum prolactin in all cases within 15 min after the injection.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Effects of domperidone on serum prolactin levels in human beings - PubMed

Effects of domperidone, a dopaminergic antagonist, on serum prolactin levels were studied in 6 normal men and 6 normal cyclic women at the different phases of their menstrual cycles (i.e., the follicular, the preovulatory and the luteal phases). Domperidone (10 mg, i.v.) caused significant...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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I didnt say that drug didnt increase prolactin

I just said it wasnt to inducegyno. Do you know how to intrepret Data? or do you just come to quick conclusions in start linking random articles that have nothing to do with your original statement?

Knowledge and practice of induction of lactation in trans women among professionals working in trans health - PMC

Breastfeeding is emerging as an important reproductive rights issue in the care of trans and gender nonconforming people. This study sought to understand the tools available to professionals working in the field of trans health to help trans women ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Prescribing for transgender patients - PMC

With greater awareness and social acceptance, increasing numbers of transgender individuals are presenting for gender-affirming hormone treatment. There should be a full psychosocial assessment by an experienced clinician before hormone treatment is ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
Cridi887 said:
I didnt say that drug didnt increase prolactin

I just said it wasnt to inducegyno. Do you know how to intrepret Data? or do you just come to quick conclusions in start linking random articles that have nothing to do with your original statement?

Knowledge and practice of induction of lactation in trans women among professionals working in trans health - PMC

Breastfeeding is emerging as an important reproductive rights issue in the care of trans and gender nonconforming people. This study sought to understand the tools available to professionals working in the field of trans health to help trans women ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Prescribing for transgender patients - PMC

With greater awareness and social acceptance, increasing numbers of transgender individuals are presenting for gender-affirming hormone treatment. There should be a full psychosocial assessment by an experienced clinician before hormone treatment is ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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Dude are you retarded? What happens when prolactin increases? You get gyno.

Funny you say that but you replied with two articles you clearly didn’t read within 2 minutes of my post lol.

Go read a book, kid.
 
5scoops said:
Dude are you retarded? What happens when prolactin increases? You get gyno.

Funny you say that but you replied with two articles you clearly didn’t read within 2 minutes of my post lol.

Go read a book, kid.
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Go find me a book that supports your statement fucktard.


Also find me an article that says they used that drug to induce gynecomastia.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

[Prolactin secretion and gynecomastia] - PubMed

Nine males with gynecomastia were examined. The serum levels of LH, FSH, prolactin, testosteron, estradiol were determined, in some of the patients--progesteron. A stimulation with thyreoliberin was carried out to follow up prolactin reaction. The same examinations were performed with a control...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
Mac11wildcat said:
Show me where nand meaningfully raises estrogen. I’ll wait. And on those lines, we almost never see prolactin issues without elevated estrogen alongside it.

Call me whatever the fuck helps you sleep at night bud, really couldn’t care less.
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So if I'm on say 500mg test and add in NPP at 200-400mg, would I have to worry about the prolactin if I took a low dose of Adex? Just curious and you seem to know what you're talking about from what I've seen on here.
 
Titan18 said:
So if I'm on say 500mg test and add in NPP at 200-400mg, would I have to worry about the prolactin if I took a low dose of Adex? Just curious and you seem to know what you're talking about from what I've seen on here.
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You should be more worried about DHN competing with DHT causing an androgen imbalance.
 
Titan18 said:
What would be the negative effects of the imbalance? I was thinking test and npp/deca was a fairly common cycle?
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You can have normal e2, prolactin, progesterone etc on Test/Npp but still get gyno, libido issues, brain fog - i see it with athletes all the time.

Why? because Test and Nandrolone compete for 5AR. When nandrolone gets metabolized it becomes DHN - an anti-androgen. You are now converting less DHT and more DHN. This causes an androgen imbalance. DHT directly antagonize E2 while DHN makes e2 more powerful.

to offset DHN you need a direct source of DHT like masteron
 
Zeus45 said:
You can have normal e2, prolactin, progesterone etc on Test/Npp but still get gyno, libido issues, brain fog - i see it with athletes all the time.

Why? because Test and Nandrolone compete for 5AR. When nandrolone gets metabolized it becomes DHN - an anti-androgen. You are now converting less DHT and more DHN. This causes an androgen imbalance. DHT directly antagonize E2 while DHN makes e2 more powerful.

to offset DHN you need a direct source of DHT like masteron
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So maybe masteron would be a better choice to add to test? I really want to limit it to 2 injectables if possible. Deca/Npp is just more commonly used to bulk it seems.
 
Titan18 said:
So maybe masteron would be a better choice to add to test? I really want to limit it to 2 injectables if possible. Deca/Npp is just more commonly used to bulk it seems.
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add oral proviron to your test/deca bulk and that will most likely mitigate any DHN effects.
 
Type-IIx said:
AIs are associated with hair loss. It seems to be accelerated at the beginning of AI treatment when estrogen concentrations abruptly decline. The mechanisms include hair loss during telogen and a decrease in the diameter of the shafts, leading to fragility, breakage, and subsequent loss. SERMs show a different pattern in those susceptible, hair loss related to tamoxifen has been shown to exhibit a distribution similar to that of female-pattern alopecia, primarily affecting the crown and frontal scalp.
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Excellent. Thank you!

Interestingly, I did tamoxifen during three of the four weeks I was on 50mg daily of anavar - three months ago and immediately stopped everything (including test), from onset of hair loss and shedding. Freaked me out. I've always had curly, thick fucking hair, and I'm 55.

Not anymore.
Went to a Dermatologist today in fact, after making the call over 45 days ago.
Her recommendation? Fin.
 
Mac11wildcat said:
This has been fairly well established as far as i know. Fina with nand is worse than nand alone.
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oh God

So no NPP with fin?

I just cut my test to 125 week, while running 350 npp, for hair reasons.

Dermatologist, literally today, wrote me a script for Fin.
 
i find it funny that guys want to use male hormones yet are worried about balding. pick one muscles or hair. Chemically castrating yourself with finasteride is stupid. but hey at least you got hair.
 
Zeus45 said:
i find it funny that guys want to use male hormones yet are worried about balding. pick one muscles or hair. Chemically castrating yourself with finasteride is stupid. but hey at least you got hair.
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fabio GIF
 
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