Non DHT Cutting Cycle Advice

[skinnyprimate]

Hey guys...haven't posted in awhile.

Currently 38, 6'1", 230 lbs.

Been on self-prescribed TRT since covid lockdown with mixed in cycles.

I had really bad bacne from a test e/masteron e/anavar cycle that I attribute to DHT being the culprit. I've avoided DHT compounds ever since and have only been using test/deca and my acne is now under control.

Two questions: 1) Would primo, being a DHT compound, produce a similar bacne outbreak as masteron? I'm very interested in trying it, but not if it destroys my back. 2) What non-DHT compounds would you recommend for a cut?

Ultimately, I would love to run test e 250 mg/week, tren e 125 mg/week and primo 400 mg/week but would love to hear your feedback/advice.

Thanks in advance.

 

[test9999]

I would suggest running a test primo cycle at 2.1 to see how primo treats you. Do this before adding tren to the party. Imagine going on a blind date with 2 girls. One is usually mellow, the other is sometimes mellow, sometimes psychotic. I would date each 1 individually first.

 

[WDE]

EQ

 

[cmK9s33]

Hey guys...haven't posted in awhile.

Currently 38, 6'1", 230 lbs.

Been on self-prescribed TRT since covid lockdown with mixed in cycles.

I had really bad bacne from a test e/masteron e/anavar cycle that I attribute to DHT being the culprit. I've avoided DHT compounds ever since and have only been using test/deca and my acne is now under control.

Two questions: 1) Would primo, being a DHT compound, produce a similar bacne outbreak as masteron? I'm very interested in trying it, but not if it destroys my back. 2) What non-DHT compounds would you recommend for a cut?

No way to know for certain. Acne is one of the more individual side effects. I would suspect yes if both masteron and Anavar aggravated the problem, but that’s just a guess.

Ultimately, I would love to run test e 250 mg/week, tren e 125 mg/week and primo 400 mg/week but would love to hear your feedback/advice.

Thanks in advance.

I would think that 250 test and 125 tren would be plenty for a cut unless you’re trying to step on stage.

As for other aas, EQ / Tren / nandrolone are definitely things to consider. Especially considering you say you do well on test+nandrolone.

 

[GuerillaPete]

Test prop only .
Test+tren if more advanced !
Have you used tren before ?
You can use other stuff also like clen,t3/t4,yohimbine ,cardarine,hgh

 

[CPT]

Don’t see many people talk about this but low dose accutane might work for you. Works a treat for me. Baffles me how people are happy to blast AAS yet get scared to take accutane

 

[Moulefruit]

DHB is what you need (300/450mg/weeks)
And you can add some salbutamol (4mg) + caffeine (100mg) x 3 times per day

 

[CPT]

DHB is what you need (300/450mg/weeks)
And you can add some salbutamol (4mg) + caffeine (100mg) x 3 times per day

Are you trying to make sure he can’t walk because of pip or that he has heart palpitations?

 

[Moulefruit]

Are you trying to make sure he can’t walk because of pip or that he has heart palpitations?

Blasting and cruising with DHB since 1 year and I've got no problem, you just need to not inject more than 1ml per injection

And for the salbutamol stop beeing a pussy, and it was a suggestion

 

[cmK9s33]

Are you trying to make sure he can’t walk because of pip or that he has heart palpitations?

4mg of oral albuterol is extremely mild on the heart. I take 8mg prior to workouts and I barely notice any kind of RHR or BP elevation. Clenbuterol on the other hand, spikes my RHR about 15 bpm at 60ug/day. Granted, I'm not at all sold on albuterol's utility as a fat loss drug. I use it mainly for the breathing assistance and any mild fat burning it might provide would be a bonus.

As for the pip, well lol, I will say that some sponsors have essentially pip free product and some are what I imagine getting kicked by a mule would feel like. Although, I think keeping it to 1mL per injection does help regardless of sponsor.

@skinnyprimate DHB is also DHT derived so it may very well give you the same acne problems that mast and anavar gave you. I still think you'd do great with test+tren, test+nand or test+EQ for a cut. A non-aromatizing oral like turinabol might also be a consideration. Again, for a cut, you don't need a lot of total mg.

 

[CPT]

4mg of oral albuterol is extremely mild on the heart. I take 8mg prior to workouts and I barely notice any kind of RHR or BP elevation. Clenbuterol on the other hand, spikes my RHR about 15 bpm at 60ug/day. Granted, I'm not at all sold on albuterol's utility as a fat loss drug. I use it mainly for the breathing assistance and any mild fat burning it might provide would be a bonus.

As for the pip, well lol, I will say that some sponsors have essentially pip free product and some are what I imagine getting kicked by a mule would feel like. Although, I think keeping it to 1mL per injection does help regardless of sponsor.

@skinnyprimate DHB is also DHT derived so it may very well give you the same acne problems that mast and anavar gave you. I still think you'd do great with test+tren, test+nand or test+EQ for a cut. A non-aromatizing oral like turinabol might also be a consideration. Again, for a cut, you don't need a lot of total mg.

I like albuterol, it was just the 3x per day with caffeine along with the recommendation for a drug with almost no research and extremely limited anecdote that I found strange.

Just take test and masteron/primo and source some accutane.

Safer than tren, less suppressive than nandrolone, less toxic than EQ and less liver stress than orals

 

[cmK9s33]

I like albuterol, it was just the 3x per day with caffeine along with the recommendation for a drug with almost no research and extremely limited anecdote that I found strange.

Which drug is that?

Just take test and masteron/primo and source some accutane.

I know this isn't a popular opinion, but Accutane is probably as or perhaps even more "toxic" than many of the typical steroids we use. Mibolerone, superdrol, etc notwithstanding of course. And yeah I'd posit using accutane along with 650-ish mg (250 test+400 primo) is going to be worse for him than 500-ish mg (250 test and 250 nand for example) of injectable aas for 10-12 weeks. At least in terms of lipidemia and perhaps hepatic stress.

In truth, I think he'll ultimately be fine with either approach. I'm just not a fan of including a drug type (DHT derived aas) that he knows will aggravate an issue that requires the use of another drug. Just skip the drug that will cause the problem in the first place and use a better alternative.

Safer than tren.

Without the accutane, yeah I'd agree. And even with, he mentioned 125mg/wk. Not exactly a hero dose of tren so I think that's not an unreasonable amount. Assuming reasonble and tren can ever be used in the same sentence lol.

less suppressive than nandrolone,

True enough. But he mentioned he is self-administering TRT. So suppression is not a concern. Being that he has had success with test+nand that is what I think he should probably go with. Sometimes guys get too hung up on "cutting" steroids when really we just want them to maintain muscle and strength while we drop bodyfat.

less toxic than EQ

EQ? Did I miss some breaking news about EQ?

 

[CPT]

Which drug is that?


I know this isn't a popular opinion, but Accutane is probably as or perhaps even more "toxic" than many of the typical steroids we use. Mibolerone, superdrol, etc notwithstanding of course. And yeah I'd posit using accutane along with 650-ish mg (250 test+400 primo) is going to be worse for him than 500-ish mg (250 test and 250 nand for example) of injectable aas for 10-12 weeks. At least in terms of lipidemia and perhaps hepatic stress.

In truth, I think he'll ultimately be fine with either approach. I'm just not a fan of including a drug type (DHT derived aas) that he knows will aggravate an issue that requires the use of another drug. Just skip the drug that will cause the problem in the first place and use a better alternative.


Without the accutane, yeah I'd agree. And even with, he mentioned 125mg/wk. Not exactly a hero dose of tren so I think that's not an unreasonable amount. Assuming reasonble and tren can ever be used in the same sentence lol.


True enough. But he mentioned he is self-administering TRT. So suppression is not a concern. Being that he has had success with test+nand that is what I think he should probably go with. Sometimes guys get too hung up on "cutting" steroids when really we just want them to maintain muscle and strength while we drop bodyfat.


EQ? Did I miss some breaking news about EQ?

It was DHB I was referring to

I understand but don’t share your view on accutane. Considering doctors often prescribe it at 80mg/day for teenagers, a 10/20mg dosage short/medium term for bodybuilders really shouldn’t cause any serious issues

The post prior mentioned EQ

 

[I6JQdr06]

Just a quick note for the OP. Primo is built on a Boldenenone backbone, not DHT.

I know that everyone on web forums parrot “Primo is a DHT”, but they’re wrong. Just because people say things online doesn’t make them true.

 

[DECLAN]

Get some Accutane prescribed, you won't regret it. My 18 year old niece is using it for cystic acne and she's often drinking too which she's not supposed to do and her blood work is not even elevated.

Only one way to find out if your liver can tolerate it by trying it.

Or just stick with some old test prop and npp.

 

[skinnyprimate]

Thanks for all the replies. Like I said, I don't post often but I have been reading your responses and I appreciate all the feedback.

Which drug is that?


I know this isn't a popular opinion, but Accutane is probably as or perhaps even more "toxic" than many of the typical steroids we use. Mibolerone, superdrol, etc notwithstanding of course. And yeah I'd posit using accutane along with 650-ish mg (250 test+400 primo) is going to be worse for him than 500-ish mg (250 test and 250 nand for example) of injectable aas for 10-12 weeks. At least in terms of lipidemia and perhaps hepatic stress.

In truth, I think he'll ultimately be fine with either approach. I'm just not a fan of including a drug type (DHT derived aas) that he knows will aggravate an issue that requires the use of another drug. Just skip the drug that will cause the problem in the first place and use a better alternative.


Without the accutane, yeah I'd agree. And even with, he mentioned 125mg/wk. Not exactly a hero dose of tren so I think that's not an unreasonable amount. Assuming reasonble and tren can ever be used in the same sentence lol.


True enough. But he mentioned he is self-administering TRT. So suppression is not a concern. Being that he has had success with test+nand that is what I think he should probably go with. Sometimes guys get too hung up on "cutting" steroids when really we just want them to maintain muscle and strength while we drop bodyfat.


EQ? Did I miss some breaking news about EQ?

I agree. I think I got caught up with the cutting steroid mentality. Lot of great success staying lean and vascular on test and deca. Plus the joints felt great.

Just a quick note for the OP. Primo is built on a Boldenenone backbone, not DHT.

I know that everyone on web forums parrot “Primo is a DHT”, but they’re wrong. Just because people say things online doesn’t make them true.

Interesting. Didn't know that. I willlook further into that.


Thanks again guys.

 

[DECLAN]

Just a quick note for the OP. Primo is built on a Boldenenone backbone, not DHT.

I know that everyone on web forums parrot “Primo is a DHT”, but they’re wrong. Just because people say things online doesn’t make them true.

Well, you might want to edit the Wikipedia page then. Where can I find papers saying it's from Boldenone?

I am guilty of parroting it since it's what I read and watched.

 

[cmK9s33]

Just a quick note for the OP. Primo is built on a Boldenenone backbone, not DHT.

I know that everyone on web forums parrot “Primo is a DHT”, but they’re wrong. Just because people say things online doesn’t make them true.

I don't want to side track this thread (too much lol) so I'll just add that primobolan is indeed forcibly 5-alpha reduced and the 4-5 double bond removed. That is typically what makes the determination as to whether people refer to a drug being a DHT derivative or not. Now primobolan does have a 1-2 double bond that boldenone also does, which is not typical of most other DHT derived aas (save dhb). Still, that it has forcibly undergone the same enzymatic reaction that all other dht drugs have would seem to imply it belongs as part of the dht grouping.

As to how it's technically manufactured, I must admit I am unsure the exact sequence from initial substrate to finished product. I tried investigating it a couple years ago just out of curiosity, but it was more time consuming than worth it for me. And it required payment for some info.

In truth, I don't believe the actual classification is terribly important, and more often turns into something to sidetrack discussions and argue over. Some of these drugs within classifications can exhibit dramatically different effects. Well, that's all I got for my useless contribution to the topic this evening. Carry on.