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How dangerous is homebrew? How sterile does it have to be?

MFAAS said:
Just to be clear @CHRIS VERDI . if the filter burst then you need to extract the juice out of the vial it burst into and add it back into your main beaker with the rest of the unfiltered stuff. Then toss the now dirty vial and get all new items--meedle tips, vials, filteres, whatever else. Then start over again using less pressure.
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Of course, I'm going to double filter but yea if the filter fails gotta scrap that vial.
 
I'm not saying you don't have to be careful, because you do. But, there are a lot of dumb people out there that can homebrew and a lot of them are sources. Infections really aren't too common. Think before you do anything. But don't overthink.

Also, as far as "missing one step", keep in mind that there are a lot of IV drug users in public bathrooms shooting some very unhygienic shit right into their bloodstream. Doesn't mean you shouldn't be careful too but, I guess I'm trying to say that there's a little more flexibility and missing "one step" isn't going to really be a big deal... Maybe just cause some PIP.
 
CHRIS VERDI said:
Oh you better believe I'm gonna go full retard on tren. I not whining , I'm making sure I dont fuck up. Thanks for the concern but I understood the risks and its because I understand the risks I'm making absolutely fucking sure to minimize that.
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Do you understand why I said that you shouldn't use tren or eq? You may have missed my meaning.
 
Eman said:
I'm not saying you don't have to be careful, because you do. But, there are a lot of dumb people out there that can homebrew and a lot of them are sources. Infections really aren't too common. Think before you do anything. But don't overthink.

Also, as far as "missing one step", keep in mind that there are a lot of IV drug users in public bathrooms shooting some very unhygienic shit right into their bloodstream. Doesn't mean you shouldn't be careful too but, I guess I'm trying to say that there's a little more flexibility and missing "one step" isn't going to really be a big deal... Maybe just cause some PIP.
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As long as he doesn't miss the step where he injects the gear lol :D
 
@NeedleNoob you have an autoclave but have never brewed? Are you saying you have access to one or own one? Lol cause if you're scared to brew I'll buy that shit
 
CHRIS VERDI said:
Wait what?
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Pretty much what everyone said all the matters is the final step if it's personal use just get whatman 0.22 syringe filters and pre sterilized vials. That way your oil is filtering through a syringe filter into a sterile environment and you will also have BA in there. I don't brew myself but personal amounts can be very straight forward and don't require bottle top filters or pumps etc. Pretty much just need a scale, magnetic stirrer doesn't hurt, syringe filters, sterile vials, your oil of choice/BA
 
Some people inject without sterilizing. You have a immune system it can handle a lot. I filter from stringe filter directly into presealed sterile vials and I have never had a bad reaction from the solution being unclean. I am sensitive to different solvents and not all raws are created equal. I dont do well with any concentration over 200mg/ml. So if you heard about the guy who had his quad damn near rot out from ugl IM, if you listen to him talk about it makes more sense. He says he let it get past the point of no return. He said he ignored it for weeks.
 
origamiwizard8 said:
People who brew and sell gear typically take more measures to guarantee sterility (autoclave sterilization of glassware, higher BA concentrations in the brew, etc). For personal use and from what I've read, it seems like the most important things are rudimentary sterilization of glassware (soap/water or even alcohol solution) and filtering. If you're crimping your own bottles then this becomes another point where you would need to be careful with contaminants. But if you're using pre-sterilized sealed vials then it really doesn't take much to make a safe and clean brew.
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How can you contaminate while crimping? Doesnt make diffrence if you do it with knife or crimper just dont let stoper come off.
 
MFAAS said:
Like the other guy said. As long as everything downstream from (after) your .22 micron filter is sterile, you have nothing to worry about. .22 micron will filter out bacteria and anything else you need to worry about. The filter is the key and that honestly is all you need.

Just be careful with the vacuum filter so as not to break the filter. If you watch and you suddenly see the liquid move through the filter much faster than before, the filter probably burst. At that point you must extract the oil from the vial and refilter it then toss the vial.

A little biology 101 for you:

- "By calculating the amount of space required to house this “needed stuff,” the lowest theoretical size for a free-living prokaryotic cell [a single celled bacteria] is estimated to be a sphere of 250 to 300 nm in diameter (primary source 227)." - Harvard
- the vast majority of bacteria are much larger than that theoretical lowest size limit above
- viruses are often much smaller of course, but viruses can't live outside their host, so even if some how you had a virus floating around your house that go caught up in your oil, it would die pretty quickly, rather than replicate and cause a dangerous growth like bacteria would.
- bacteria can live outside a host, replicating themselves and forming large colonies to the point where you can see the colony with the naked eye. Viruses cannot survive outside the host. Maybe it is a good idea to avoid homebrewing while sick/around a sick person just to be safe.
- a .22 micron filter is 220 manometers, which is small enough that it will filter out all bacteria.
- additionally the BA will also prevent bacterial growth in the even something somehow got through.
- lastly, post brew you obviously never use unsterile needle tips to dip into a vial. Never ever ever do that.

So basically the filter is the key. That's it. You should never heat the oils to disinfect them, just heat enough to dissolve the raws.

Be patient when filtering, it is a slow process. You are pushing (or pulling) viscous oil through a bunch of tiny 220 nanometer holes, that is a high pressure activity. Be careful and go slow so you don't burst the membrane and have to start all over.

Print our your brewing instructions and use a pen/pencil to cross off the steps as you work through them to avoid missing anything.
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It seems like you know a lot, sir I was wondering if paper filter is needed or is a syringe filter fine because I was planning on using both like for example, pour the gear through a funnel with the paper filter on it into another beaker and then use the syringe filter to put it in the vials
MFAAS said:
Like the other guy said. As long as everything downstream from (after) your .22 micron filter is sterile, you have nothing to worry about. .22 micron will filter out bacteria and anything else you need to worry about. The filter is the key and that honestly is all you need.

Just be careful with the vacuum filter so as not to break the filter. If you watch and you suddenly see the liquid move through the filter much faster than before, the filter probably burst. At that point you must extract the oil from the vial and refilter it then toss the vial.

A little biology 101 for you:

- "By calculating the amount of space required to house this “needed stuff,” the lowest theoretical size for a free-living prokaryotic cell [a single celled bacteria] is estimated to be a sphere of 250 to 300 nm in diameter (primary source 227)." - Harvard
- the vast majority of bacteria are much larger than that theoretical lowest size limit above
- viruses are often much smaller of course, but viruses can't live outside their host, so even if some how you had a virus floating around your house that go caught up in your oil, it would die pretty quickly, rather than replicate and cause a dangerous growth like bacteria would.
- bacteria can live outside a host, replicating themselves and forming large colonies to the point where you can see the colony with the naked eye. Viruses cannot survive outside the host. Maybe it is a good idea to avoid homebrewing while sick/around a sick person just to be safe.
- a .22 micron filter is 220 manometers, which is small enough that it will filter out all bacteria.
- additionally the BA will also prevent bacterial growth in the even something somehow got through.
- lastly, post brew you obviously never use unsterile needle tips to dip into a vial. Never ever ever do that.

So basically the filter is the key. That's it. You should never heat the oils to disinfect them, just heat enough to dissolve the raws.

Be patient when filtering, it is a slow process. You are pushing (or pulling) viscous oil through a bunch of tiny 220 nanometer holes, that is a high pressure activity. Be careful and go slow so you don't burst the membrane and have to start all over.

Print our your brewing instructions and use a pen/pencil to cross off the steps as you work through them to avoid missing anything.
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It seems like you know a lot, sir I was wondering if paper filter is needed or is a syringe filter fine because I was planning on using both like for example, pour the gear through a funnel with the paper filter on it into another beaker and then use the syringe filter to put it in the vials
 
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Ive brewed four times over the past few years and just bottled up 200ml of tren ace and 100ml of mast prop. I pulled a lot of my initial info from the subreddit Steroids and here with some ideas on BA/BB ratios. The biggest deal is obviously filtering through a .22 micron filter. I use 50ml syringes to drew up my brew and attach a PVDF Whatman .22 micron filter and then use a caulking gun and can filter a 100ml in an hour.

It’s really not that complicated and I kinda enjoy the ritual of making my own product; along with the massive savings. A gram of tren ace is a little over $5. I spent a few hundred on what would’ve cost me thousands of dollars had I purchased it pre-made and I’ve been pinning my own product for years with ZERO infections so far (knock on wood)
 
CHRIS VERDI said:
Oh you better believe I'm gonna go full retard on tren. I not whining , I'm making sure I dont fuck up. Thanks for the concern but I understood the risks and its because I understand the risks I'm making absolutely fucking sure to minimize that.
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If you’re emphasizing like you are on safety you’re going to be more than fine. Admittedly, I don’t follow the most stringent protocol but I don’t mess with the .22 micron filtering and that will remove any harmful organisms.
 
Hey
dmacmarine said:
Ive brewed four times over the past few years and just bottled up 200ml of tren ace and 100ml of mast prop. I pulled a lot of my initial info from the subreddit Steroids and here with some ideas on BA/BB ratios. The biggest deal is obviously filtering through a .22 micron filter. I use 50ml syringes to drew up my brew and attach a PVDF Whatman .22 micron filter and then use a caulking gun and can filter a 100ml in an hour.

It’s really not that complicated and I kinda enjoy the ritual of making my own product; along with the massive savings. A gram of tren ace is a little over $5. I spent a few hundred on what would’ve cost me thousands of dollars had I purchased it pre-made and I’ve been pinning my own product for years with ZERO infections so far (knock on wood
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Hey you said you use a 50ml syringe to drew up the brew I was wondering if it is fine if I use a 100ml or 150ml syringe to do that ?
 
longstad7282 said:
Hey

Hey you said you use a 50ml syringe to drew up the brew I was wondering if it is fine if I use a 100ml or 150ml syringe to do that ?
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You could totally do that — as long as the drawn back plunger will fit into the caulking gun housing then you’ll be GTG
 
longstad7282 said:
Do I need a caulking gun could I not do it by hand ?
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You're going to want a caulking gun 100%. And run a 50-60ml syringe and you'll be able to get that sucker filled to about 40-45ml in order for it to fit into a 10oz caulking gun.

You'll kill your hands trying to filter your oil through a .22 micron filter. Trust me 100% on this if you're not going down the bottle top route.
 
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