Low serum insulin level

[29trt]

I need some of the big brains around here to help me figure this out...

A few days ago I got bloods done and this time I included Insulin level on top of the normal glucose as over the years my BG has steadily gone up from 84 to 96. I have diabetes in the family so I'm a bit worried to say the least....
anyway.... glucose was 85( lowest its been in a while....)
and insulin was below the detectable range of 2...
wtf does this mean?
also previous tests revealed a Hba1c of 5.5

background .... the bloods were drawn 10 days in a 200test c 100tren e 100deca cycle (barely a cycle i know but it's my first time trying tren....)

I've also done a post prandial BG test before:
before meal consisting of 80g oatmeal 30g whey BG was 90 after an hour it was 121 after 2 hours it was 109.

what conclusions could be drawn from these results? is my pancreas not producing enough insulin?
And what tests would you recommed doing? I was thinking doing an insulin test after a meal....

 

[freakyjacked29]

I don’t understand your insulin was under 2 but blood sugar is 85 ?

blood sugar is perfectly normal at 85.
hbac1 5.5 isn’t that high but slightly above depending where you live they have that chart but not going by a chart but anything under 6 is normal you aren’t diabetic.

If hbac1 goes up
your fasting insulin levels are above 6
and 2 hours after a meal 15

Your considered pre diabetic
Until then monitor carb intake
Do cardio
stay leaner
use supps to keep insulin sensitivity up
Get hbac1 under 5 to be very insulin sensitive in the 4s some get in the 3s but again 4s is very good.

Later in life we all become somewhat insulin resistant but right now I wouldn’t worry

 

[29trt]

I don’t understand your insulin was under 2 but blood sugar is 85 ?

blood sugar is perfectly normal at 85.
hbac1 5.5 isn’t that high but slightly above depending where you live they have that chart but not going by a chart but anything under 6 is normal you aren’t diabetic.

If hbac1 goes up
your fasting insulin levels are above 6
and 2 hours after a meal 15

Your considered pre diabetic
Until then monitor carb intake
Do cardio
stay leaner
use supps to keep insulin sensitivity up
Get hbac1 under 5 to be very insulin sensitive in the 4s some get in the 3s but again 4s is very good.

Later in life we all become somewhat insulin resistant but right now I wouldn’t worry

yes exactly the BG was 85 with insulin under 2.....makes no sense.. I think I will redo the test with a different lab...

 

[Type-IIx]

I pretty often see rock bottom insulin and IGF-I in guys that eat low carbohydrate diets (e.g., Carnivore). How many g carbohydrate do you typically consume daily?

 

[29trt]

I pretty often see rock bottom insulin and IGF-I in guys that eat low carbohydrate diets (e.g., Carnivore). How many g carbohydrate do you typically consume daily?

definitely not low carb i get 200-300g carbs per day,

igf is pretty low though i think it was around 130 wjen I last checked, before the tren so that has no play in it.

i asked the lab for some explanation and if they redid the test as I have doubts about it being possible to have undetectable insuline in my context.

 

[29trt]

oh and another interesting anecdote
of my shit glucose control
genetics... i once tried to take hgh 2ui before bed alter a few days I would get really nauseous towards the end of the day...
so i stopped taking the gh... i figured out later that i was going hyperglycemic, didn't have a glucometer but I felt better after doing cardio so it was definetly too much sugar in the blood.
will repeat the experiment at some point now that i have a glucometer

 

[Type-IIx]

definitely not low carb i get 200-300g carbs per day,

igf is pretty low though i think it was around 130 wjen I last checked, before the tren so that has no play in it.

i asked the lab for some explanation and if they redid the test as I have doubts about it being possible to have undetectable insuline in my context.

It's an interesting result because it's so clearly due to Tren (I'd view this as favorable, not something to "fix") and makes all the sense in the world when I think about it. I've just never before seen serum insulin measured while on Tren.

The trienes increase insulin sensitivity in multiple ways, including decreased GH secretion (by corollary, probably insulin too), decreased PPARγ (decreased fat mass), decreased TAT (thereby decreasing gluconeogenesis), and most importantly, increasing (muscle) satellite cell responsiveness to IGF-I (and perhaps insulin by corollary).

Usually, what's measured to ascertain insulin sensitivity is glucose, but it's more descriptive to measure insulin sensitivity as a product of insulin & glucose levels (e.g., HOMA-IR). Since glucose is reduced, there's a reduced "pull" for insulin synthesis & secretion. But, most importantly, AAS and especially the trienes (e.g., trenbolone) increase the muscle tissue sensitivity to insulin & the IGFs (doing more with less).

 

[29trt]

It's an interesting result because it's so clearly due to Tren (I'd view this as favorable, not something to "fix") and makes all the sense in the world when I think about it. I've just never before seen serum insulin measured while on Tren.

The trienes increase insulin sensitivity in multiple ways, including decreased GH secretion (by corollary, probably insulin too), decreased PPARγ (decreased fat mass), decreased TAT (thereby decreasing gluconeogenesis), and most importantly, increasing (muscle) satellite cell responsiveness to IGF-I (and perhaps insulin by corollary).

Usually, what's measured to ascertain insulin sensitivity is glucose, but it's more descriptive to measure insulin sensitivity as a product of insulin & glucose levels (e.g., HOMA-IR). Since glucose is reduced, there's a reduced "pull" for insulin synthesis & secretion. But, most importantly, AAS and especially the trienes (e.g., trenbolone) increase the muscle tissue sensitivity to insulin & the IGFs (doing more with less).

hmm.. i was not expecting such a low dose of tren (in the context of the dosages used on this forum) to have such a strong effect on insulin production was more expecting insulin increased insulin sensitivity.... this goes way over my head need to do more reading....

so you really think the result is not bogus?

i will repeat it after ingesting a meal just to see what the ratio of insulin to BG is...

Anyway tren is doing my head in even at 100mg, I am more snappy, need less sleep and slight sweating during the night.... but I should have expected this as I overreact to all AAS 100mg of deca makes my delts and traps pop and half my recovery time.....

 

[Type-IIx]

yes exactly the BG was 85 with insulin under 2.....makes no sense.. I think I will redo the test with a different lab...

It's not too perplexing.

You're on trenbolone, very insulin sensitizing. Fasting reduces insulin more significantly than glucose & blood insulin levels are a response to glucose elevations. Since 85 mg/dL is perfectly healthy (fasting), blood insulin can be reduced to a low level - and trenbolone through multiple mechanisms increases insulin sensitivity (able to do more with less). The reference range is typically 1.4 - 14.0 µIU/mL or 9.7 - 97.2 pmol/L for fasting insulin.

I wouldn't make any judgments about my insulin sensitivity without trenbolone based on my bloodwork values for insulin or glucose with trenbolone.

 

[Type-IIx]

hmm.. i was not expecting such a low dose of tren (in the context of the dosages used on this forum) to have such a strong effect on insulin production was more expecting insulin increased insulin sensitivity.... this goes way over my head need to do more reading....

so you really think the result is not bogus?

i will repeat it after ingesting a meal just to see what the ratio of insulin to BG is...

Anyway tren is doing my head in even at 100mg, I am more snappy, need less sleep and slight sweating during the night.... but I should have expected this as I overreact to all AAS 100mg of deca makes my delts and traps pop and half my recovery time.....

Not bogus, this is plenty of trenbolone to have this effect brother.

 

[29trt]

ok than I will wait to be completely off the tren to retest, thank you!

that being said I will reduce the tren dosage to half and see how I get on with it, if I still get sides than I will drop it.

I was thinking of reintroducing 2 Ui of GH and see what happens with my BG while on tren this time around.

 

[29trt]

So I lowered the tren to 70mg and no more sides, go figure Negma got it right
But alas it seems that dose is not enough for 2UI of GH pre bed...waking BG jumped to 109 after 3 days...I mean wtf... added 1000mg berberine and will reduce carbs .
I also have metformin and semaglutide on hand but will try and keep that as a last resort...or..I'm open to suggestions

 

[29trt]

Dropped the GH as I was getting worried after I started taking metformin on top of berberine and my fasted BG was not dropping , before when I was taking metformin my BG dropped 10points ....
Since a week ago I upped the Tren to 140/week (so far no additional sides) but BG is still high in the morning...
My baseline IGF-1 is relatively low around 130 is there a possibility that tren is lowering my IGF so much that BG control is out of wack? (I dropped the metformin and am only taking 1000mg berberine )