Mitigating sleep issues on trenbolone

[Kkhln]

Is anyone here who was able to mitigate sleep problems on trenbolone with additional compounds like DSIP or something?

 

[BigTomJ]

yeah, lowering the dose or dropping the compound.

 

[Kkhln]

yeah, lowering the dose or dropping the compound.

I added “with additional compounds” to my question to prevent this type of answer.

Obviously lowering dose of tren or dropping it completly would solve the issue, but if there’s a way to prevent it (like fixing high estrogen on testosterone cycles with aromatase inhibitors, rather than lowering or dropping testosterone) I would like to know.

 

[BigTomJ]

ike fixing high estrogen on testosterone cycles with aromatase inhibitors, rather than lowering or dropping testosterone

this is a false equivalency.

Taking more drugs to make a dose of tren more tolerable is not comparable to taking an AI to modulate a basic function of aromatizable substances.

there is very little reason to take tren in the first place, and a little bit goes a long way, If you hvae issues when on it, the only answer is always to drop it or reduce dose.

how much are you taking?

 

[Type-IIx]

Strictly to your question, rhGH can help, but to BigTomJ's point, only if the Tren dose is fairly low, you can tolerate it & only if you don't get paradoxical sleep disturbances from rhGH.

Besides that, drugs used to treat insomnia, on- or off- label, would seem a better fit than any peptide including rhGH and certainly the research peptides. I've heard from someone whose opinion and experience I value that Seroquel mitigates this and other Tren side effects on mood, energy, and well-being.

 

[Kkhln]

this is a false equivalency.

Taking more drugs to make a dose of tren more tolerable is not comparable to taking an AI to modulate a basic function of aromatizable substances.

there is very little reason to take tren in the first place, and a little bit goes a long way, If you hvae issues when on it, the only answer is always to drop it or reduce dose.

how much are you taking?

I’m not taking tren, I don’t need it right now (still time to get there).

Do you have experience with lose dose trenbolone (100-300 mg per week )?

 

[BigTomJ]

I’m not taking tren, I don’t need it right now (still time to get there).

Do you have experience with lose dose trenbolone (100-300 mg per week )?

yes i do, and i dont consider 300mg a "low dose of tren"

the people you see talking about 500-1g of tren casually are absolute jackasses, this is not the norm.

ive used tren in one off season, and in contest prep scenario and i firmly believe it has no place outside of contest prep, but people can do and take whatever they want, im no ones dad.

I consider 100-200mg of tren to be low/moderate dosing. Generally speaking tren is one of the few compounds that actively warrant titrating when using for the first time, since its side effect profile is so extreme.

For a casual user (not a BB/PL competitor) that is looking to use tren for long term progress and gains (which i dont believe is a good or practical use for tren) I would start at 100mg a week weeks 1-2, adding 50mg every two weeks, not to exceed 200-300mg, and stopping at a dose that you begin to experience the telltale side effects.

There is no reason to take more drugs to better tolerate a dose of another drug, that you already dont need to take in the first place. For casual users, there are just better options for long term progress

 

[Deleted member 127229]

Strictly to your question, rhGH can help, but to BigTomJ's point, only if the Tren dose is fairly low, you can tolerate it & only if you don't get paradoxical sleep disturbances from rhGH.

Besides that, drugs used to treat insomnia, on- or off- label, would seem a better fit than any peptide including rhGH and certainly the research peptides. I've heard from someone whose opinion and experience I value that Seroquel mitigates this and other Tren side effects on mood, energy, and well-being.

Suggesting someone take antipsychotics probably isn't a good idea. Many people have much more severe side effects from mental health drugs than they do performance enhancing drugs. You can simply take benadryl for sleep.

 

[grey]

Melatonin can help as can Benedryl but both come with their own side effects (see my other posts regarding pharmaceutical PIO).

Neither will unfuck the night sweats, acid reflux, sudden broadening of porn interests, fatty fucking and other potential side effects of Tren though.

Completely concur with @BigTomJ that 100mg/week (or even less) is a good starting point.

 

[BigTomJ]

Melatonin can help as can Benedryl but both come with their own side effects (see my other posts regarding pharmaceutical PIO).

Neither will unfuck the night sweats, acid reflux, sudden broadening of porn interests, fatty fucking and other potential side effects of Tren though.

Completely concur with @BigTomJ that 100mg/week (or even less) is a good starting point.

I use the Olly brand sleep gummies, anecdotally they have worked really well for me. Idk if its the l-theanine or what, but my sleep feels so much more restful with them.

more so than a simple melatonin supplement.


desperate times, i turn to old faithful, nyquil.
When you REALLY need to get to sleep, and stay asleep, absolutely nothing works better for me than that green nectar

 

[grey]

desperate times, i turn to old faithful, nyquil.

Yeah we always have the Zquil version aroudn the house, basically just liquid Benedryl but I find that the liquid versions seem to "hang over" a bit less than the Benedryl pills do (for me anyway).

more so than a simple melatonin supplement.

I use Rich Piana's (RIP) Knocked the Fuck Out tea which definitely sends me to sleep but there are so many other active ingredients in it besides the GIANT dosing of Melatonin that is pretty difficult for me to say which is helping out.

That said, the Melatonin content in the tea frequently gives me a headache not dissimilar to the headaches you get from red wine tannins.

 

[BigTomJ]

Yeah we always have the Zquil version aroudn the house, basically just liquid Benedryl but I find that the liquid versions seem to "hang over" a bit less than the Benedryl pills do (for me anyway).


I use Rich Piana's (RIP) Knocked the Fuck Out tea which definitely sends me to sleep but there are so many other active ingredients in it besides the GIANT dosing of Melatonin that is pretty difficult for me to say which is helping out.

That said, the Melatonin content in the tea frequently gives me a headache not dissimilar to the headaches you get from red wine tannins.

Never seen that product, i like that it has GABA in it, GABA might be completely worthless, but anecdotally ive found it helpful for combatting stress and anxiety and getting relaxed.


Tea in general is far too often slept on (pun intended) for sleep.

A decent quality hot herbal tea after my last meal does wonders for getting relaxed and primed for sleep, i also feel like it helps my digestion a bit throughout the night, but this might just be a product of the hot drink, or be entirely baseless placebo.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Melatonin should help and its OTC, at least in America.

 

[grey]

Never seen that product, i like that it has GABA in it, GABA might be completely worthless, but anecdotally ive found it helpful for combatting stress and anxiety and getting relaxed.

I ended up with it because my youngest has paradoxical response to most sleep aids. She can chug a cup of Zquil and then pull an allnighter.

The tea was kind of a "last gasp" effort to find something that would work for her so she wasn't going to school like a zombie every day. It works pretty well for her and is a bloody miracle compared to the results we had from pharmaceutical sleep aids.

i also feel like it helps my digestion a bit throughout the night, but this might just be a product of the hot drink, or be entirely baseless placebo.

I think you re right. Even a cup of black anise (black licorice) tea often helps me sleep (though not when on Tren) more easily and deeply. The incredibly potent smell of the tea and accompanying looks of disgust from the ladies in the house whenever I have some is just a bonus.

And I never have to share it

 

[FleshGod]

EPITALON 200-500ug sub-q just before going to sleep is like melatonin with steroids

This plus 2mgs melatonin send me to the perfect sleep every night

Bonus points as it also enlarges the telomeres of the cells so its a great antiaging too, but over all, the quality of the sleep borders on perfection

 

[Deadp007]

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Besides that, drugs used to treat insomnia, on- or off- label, would seem a better fit than any peptide including rhGH and certainly the research peptides. I've heard from someone whose opinion and experience I value that Seroquel mitigates this and other Tren side effects on mood, energy, and well-being.

Why the hate? Quetiapine isn't habit forming and has a host of benefits...
I know this is a harm reduction board but people are going to use tren, this seems like valuable information to combat some bad mental side effects.

 

[Type-IIx]

Suggesting someone take antipsychotics probably isn't a good idea. Many people have much more severe side effects from mental health drugs than they do performance enhancing drugs. You can simply take benadryl for sleep.

Taking diphenhydramine routinely (e.g., nightly) for sleep is far worse than Seroquel. Diphenhydramine is an acetylcholine inhibitor that will make you fat, lazy, and stupid. Among other effects, it blocks central serotonergic & α-adrenergic receptors.

Tren is far worse than either of them, though, so the entire argument is kind of moot if you're construing this in terms of good vs. bad.

 

[SVRE46]

Melatonin should help and its OTC, at least in America.

2nd this. 5-10mg works wonders to hit a decent 7hr night. If I have a crazy day at work I will take a Unisom sometimes as well.

 

[Deleted member 127229]

Taking diphenhydramine routinely (e.g., nightly) for sleep is far worse than Seroquel. Diphenhydramine is an acetylcholine inhibitor that will make you fat, lazy, and stupid. Among other effects, it blocks central serotonergic & α-adrenergic receptors.

Tren is far worse than either of them, though, so the entire argument is kind of moot if you're construing this in terms of good vs. bad.

I'm already stupid so jokes on you

 

[Deleted member 127229]

Taking diphenhydramine routinely (e.g., nightly) for sleep is far worse than Seroquel. Diphenhydramine is an acetylcholine inhibitor that will make you fat, lazy, and stupid. Among other effects, it blocks central serotonergic & α-adrenergic receptors.

Tren is far worse than either of them, though, so the entire argument is kind of moot if you're construing this in terms of good vs. bad.

What do you suggest for sleep besides Seroquel and benadryl?