Caber source

[SwolieGuacamole]

Did a little digging with trusted sources but didn’t find much. And solid or go to suggestions?

Thank you

 

[BigTomJ]

why do you think you need caber?

what did your bloodwork look like

 

[KeenObserver]

DashPCT has it, it's right there among the ads on the right side of the site.

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

why do you think you need caber?

what did your bloodwork look like

Blood work was done about 5 weeks ago. E2 was a little high, in the 90s got that under control and upped test from 200 to 500. Take .25 anastrozole 2x weekly.

Added 300 deca. Ending week 2 of it and I can’t get hard. Never had any issues and no symptoms of high e2. I’ve been taking 150mg p5p daily.

 

[BigTomJ]

Blood work was done about 5 weeks ago. E2 was a little high, in the 90s got that under control and upped test from 200 to 500. Take .25 anastrozole 2x weekly.

Added 300 deca. Ending week 2 of it and I can’t get hard. Never had any issues and no symptoms of high e2. I’ve been taking 150mg p5p daily.

do not take caber without bloodwork. 99.999% of people will never need it

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

do not take caber without bloodwork. 99.999% of people will never need it

Any idea what would cause that then? Assuming e2 is in check and test hasn’t ever caused an issue. I just assume high prolactin.

Stopping the deca.

 

[BigTomJ]

Any idea what would cause that then? Assuming e2 is in check and test hasn’t ever caused an issue. I just assume high prolactin.

Stopping the deca.

It could be prolactin, but deca has a reputation of causing those issues with some people, regardless of prolactin.

you can get your bloodwork done and know for sure, or just drop the deca as it seems to not agree with you well

 

[Astartes]

Any idea what would cause that then? Assuming e2 is in check and test hasn’t ever caused an issue. I just assume high prolactin.

Stopping the deca.

More of a general comment here, but it may apply.

People make adjustments based on very small time frames. They don’t let their bodies adjust. As a result they make errors.

Any time you flex up or down hormonally, your body goes through an adjustment period.

Recommend a minimum of 30 days (preferably 30-60) before making significant adjustments to your hormone structure.

After 2 weeks you truly don’t know if the Deca caused this or if it is simply your body going through the process of adapting to a new hormone balance.

I had an endocrinologist who lifts once describe hormones as a bowl of jelly. Tap one side and the whole bowl jiggles. This happens every time you make adjustments.

Suggest you give it more time. As BTJ said, it certainly could be the Deca and how you react, blood work could tell…. but 2 weeks is honestly too early to tell even with bloods. (Particularly given the long Esther of Deca)

 

[Rido]

It could be prolactin, but deca has a reputation of causing those issues with some people, regardless of prolactin.

you can get your bloodwork done and know for sure, or just drop the deca as it seems to not agree with you well

I have never used caber.

isn't it only ideal to take it for sides+high prolactin levels?

Like an AI for elevated and symptomatic high e2?

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

It could be prolactin, but deca has a reputation of causing those issues with some people, regardless of prolactin.

you can get your bloodwork done and know for sure, or just drop the deca as it seems to not agree with you well

Understood. Thanks for the input

 

[BigTomJ]

I have never used caber.

isn't it only ideal to take it for sides+high prolactin levels?

Like an AI for elevated and symptomatic high e2?

thats the idea, but there is a correlation between elevated e2 and elevated prolactin, 9/10 elevated prolactin can be addressed by simply properly managing estrogen.

however, considering how potent, and toxic of a drug caber is, i generally advise against dosing on symptoms alone, as high prolactin symptoms are pretty nebulous to begin with. Should be reserved for only when bloodwork shows elevated prolactin, but properly managed/in range e2

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

More of a general comment here, but it may apply.

People make adjustments based on very small time frames. They don’t let their bodies adjust. As a result they make errors.

Any time you flex up or down hormonally, your body goes through an adjustment period.

Recommend a minimum of 30 days (preferably 30-60) before making significant adjustments to your hormone structure.

After 2 weeks you truly don’t know if the Deca caused this or if it is simply your body going through the process of adapting to a new hormone balance.

I had an endocrinologist who lifts once describe hormones as a bowl of jelly. Tap one side and the whole bowl jiggles. This happens every time you make adjustments.

Suggest you give it more time. As BTJ said, it certainly could be the Deca and how you react, blood work could tell…. but 2 weeks is honestly too early to tell even with bloods. (Particularly given the long Esther of Deca)

Great points and thought about that. My fear is the half life deca has. So if I truly do have an issue with it, I end up pushing it even further.

 

[hexa]

do not take caber without bloodwork. 99.999% of people will never need it

From side you are right,but then you felt high prolactin sympthoms,then you know what's going on. For me I cant finish during the sex,also not stable erection.

 

[BigTomJ]

felt high prolactin sympthoms

read the rest of my posts on the subject in this thread.

perceived symptoms are nebulous at best and most of the time have no real coloration to prolactin, and even if your prolactin is elevated its likely due to elevated e2. Fixing which will more than likely address the elevated prolactin.

 

[Astartes]

Great points and thought about that. My fear is the half life deca has. So if I truly do have an issue with it, I end up pushing it even further.

That is everyone’s fear, and why they often times (not always) make the mistake of adjusting prematurely.

 

[hexa]

read the rest of my posts on the subject in this thread.

perceived symptoms are nebulous at best and most of the time have no real coloration to prolactin, and even if your prolactin is elevated its likely due to elevated e2. Fixing which will more than likely address the elevated prolactin.

Ok,bro. I agree in half way with you. Sometimes e2 lift up prl. But exemple: tren mess up e2 and to get real e2 parameters are almost impossible. Where I living,no one labaratory cant catch real e2 on tren. So in this way,if e2 high and prl high,left only sympthoms

 

[JeffroCat]

high prolactin symptoms are pretty nebulous to begin with.

Lactation is a non-nebulous side effect of high prolactin. 0.25 to 0.50 mgs of cabergoline twice a week to treat this sort of symptom would be warranted.

 

[onefinalrep]

Lactation is a non-nebulous side effect of high prolactin. 0.25 to 0.50 mgs of cabergoline twice a week to treat this sort of symptom would be warranted.

nah, just take something to bring down your E2 if you are lactating cuz only 0.00001% percent chance anyone needs caber. I'll go look for some papers to validate that number. Be back in 20 years.

 

[TestTrenPrimo]

nah, just take something to bring down your E2 if you are lactating cuz only 0.00001% percent chance anyone needs caber. I'll go look for some papers to validate that number. Be back in 20 years.

Personal experience here: crashed e2 to stop lactating because I didn’t wanna touch caber.

Touched the caber, stopped lactating.
Only two things to make me lactate were long spans of tren and for some reason I get a prolactin spike coming off of Sdrol

 

[narta]

Most of the time high e2 are the culprit and not slightly elevated prolactin and proper e2 management will resolve most of the issues.
That said there are symptoms that absolutely need prolactin control, lactation, delayed orgasm and anhedonia.