Biggest Guy I Know Told Me Training Doesn't Matter

I’m not sure why everyone constantly forgets how variable genetic responses are. Between drug response, diet and training response and even mtor and ptor expression. Just because it works for him doesn’t necessarily transfer to you. Also I noticed you said he is in his late twenties like he is older than you. My best advice is find the dude in his 40s or 50s who doesn’t look like a beet and seems to have their health as a priority on top of their training and find out what he does. Longevity is the goal.
 
I’m not sure why everyone constantly forgets how variable genetic responses are. Between drug response, diet and training response and even mtor and ptor expression. Just because it works for him doesn’t necessarily transfer to you. Also I noticed you said he is in his late twenties like he is older than you. My best advice is find the dude in his 40s or 50s who doesn’t look like a beet and seems to have their health as a priority on top of their training and find out what he does. Longevity is the goal.
this , if you are genetic elite training is not that important what you do as long as you train hard ive noticed i can pump train and gain like its eating cake but i still let my half size nuts hang in the gym just cuz i like to train hard and be intense i get gym aggression bad to the point where i tear up many times while training because i have all this fucking rage in me but genetics are 99% here man its the truth and it sucks because you willl never know who is truly the best but its the way it is and some guys really have a hard time seeing that genetics will determain how you will loook now matter what you do. so this guy isnt wrong but if you are not elite genetics please find someone similiart genetically and ask them advice like this dude says someone whos been around and has had to do shit in the gym to make progress becasue they are not elite genetics.

edit: dude is right about diet though outside of genetics (which we cant control so its pointless to get upset if you dont see what you want in the mirror) diet we can control and training, i will say this training is why we all started right? we love to train so always remember that when you step in the gym forget about gear and genetics and diet and just live in that hour or two we have where our mind is free and we can let tht rage out we as men bottle up everyday because soceity has caged us and we cant do what we want so we have to go smash weights and smash our head against the wall to get it out. so training can be a lot more than just to build muscle imo its a chance to lose control a bit if you want to call it that

heres my numbers bodybuilding is
99% genetic
.5% training
.4% diet
.1% gear
 
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^^^as far as genetics I’ve seen black dudes at my gym who eat like shit knock back a few protein shakes and take 400 test 400 deca like it’s the only thing they know exists and they could likely beat 98 percent of competitors at a regional npc show. Next in line is diet you can truly transform your physique by simple macro manipulation but everyone likes to be lazy and do the bare minimum.
 
That big guy told you the best unknown secret. Learn and know your body. You've heard it said over and over that everyone is different. Took me a few years maybe 5-7 before I actually figured it out. If you pay attention, really pay attention you'll learn it as well. This is why most bodybuilders are full of shit when it comes to doses and training. They need to make videos and articles. Take everything they say with a grain of salt and focus on what works for you.
I put on the most size when I said fuck it all and did a simple PPL rotation with 24 hrs rest between gym visits. Eat like a beast and allowed for good rest and recuperation time. If I even entered the gym and felt week or just not in it, I'd leave and come back the next day.
5'9" 256lbs at approx 17% bf was the result. Now that I'm over 50 I'm working toward 235lbs and 10%.
I go to the gym hit it hard and I'm done within 45min hr max.
 
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That big guy told you the best unknown secret. Learn and know your body. You've heard it said over and over that everyone is different. Took me a few years maybe 5-7 before I actually figured it out. If you pay attention, really pay attention you'll learn it as well. This is why most bodybuilders are full of shit when it comes to doses and training. They need to make videos and articles. Take everything they say with a grain of salt and focus on what works for you.
I put on the most size when I said fuck it all and did a simple PPL rotation with 24 hrs rest between gym visits. Eat like a beast and allowed for good rest and recuperation time. If I even entered the gym and felt week or just not in it, I'd leave and come back the next day.
5'9" 256lbs at approx 17% bf was the result. Now that I'm over 50 I'm working toward 235lbs and 10%.
I go to the gym hit it hard and I'm done within 45min hr max.
If everyone is so different, why does a simple PPL rotation and alternating day session frequency, 45 min session duration, nutrition oriented around eating high cals, carbs, proteins, recovery around resting, and autoregulating based on daily strength work for almost everyone?
 
Look, successful people will misattribute their success to bullshit like positive visualization & following their passion, etc.

Funny though, how successful people like moguls & industrialists fail to mention factors like their:
* inheriting start-up capital from some relative that built his fortune from exploiting natural resources, paying people as little as they could get away with without being subject to costly regulations, and taking a Sun Tzu approach to competition. From this follows being able to fail & correct mistakes without missing a meal, not to mind earn advanced education, etc.

The analogy to bodybuilding success is that those with genetic prowess, reinforcement from early successes and resistance training technical guidance & motivation, the free time to spend in the gym and funds to spend on decent quality food, the basic intellect & personality to at least apply Occam's razor (keep it simple, stupid) & to try to best their counterparts at something they're able to excel at, often underestimate the factors outside of their control that shaped their reality. It's called the fundamental attribution error.

* compulsive competitive nature & kindred energy, feeling like their perfectly simple, moderately-high effort over very long time-frames is not relevant because everyone they know does the same basic shit.

The analogy to bodybuilding success is that those with high levels of energy that they put into "only" training 4 days weekly, with effort but not particularly strenuous or sustained, but have just been doing this forever like their gym friends, tend to totally underappreciate the importance of this versus the frail kid asking what they do that's so special whose been into bodybuilding for almost a year and who grew up on computer games & potato chips until he got interested in women after a lucky tryst.

* in middle adulthood, this entrepreneur has softened. They now follow something like Buddhism and talk about mindfulness. They medidate. They do this because they have exhausted their ambitious drive for success, reached it, and now, believe that these new tenets that they've discovered are the "secret." When they are asked to speak publicly at business events, galas, or universities, they spread their newfound gospel of sorts, because they've come around to happiness being the meaning of life, and not money or professional success.

The analogy to bodybuilding is that AAS are a factor, often considered that "secret" sauce, that usually comes into play post-adolescence, and so, they're usually the most novel & certainly exciting factor to a young man whose been lifting weights for the better part of a decade already, because they cause gains unlike that which has been experienced for some time... years. Speaking to him after discovering this new powerful class of drugs that gives him things that he values, like strength & size, perhaps admiration from those he has befriended in his bodybuilding pursuits, will certainly be likely to yield a frank excitement about the power of AAS.
 
this , if you are genetic elite training is not that important what you do as long as you train hard ive noticed i can pump train and gain like its eating cake but i still let my half size nuts hang in the gym just cuz i like to train hard and be intense i get gym aggression bad to the point where i tear up many times while training because i have all this fucking rage in me but genetics are 99% here man its the truth and it sucks because you willl never know who is truly the best but its the way it is and some guys really have a hard time seeing that genetics will determain how you will loook now matter what you do. so this guy isnt wrong but if you are not elite genetics please find someone similiart genetically and ask them advice like this dude says someone whos been around and has had to do shit in the gym to make progress becasue they are not elite genetics.

edit: dude is right about diet though outside of genetics (which we cant control so its pointless to get upset if you dont see what you want in the mirror) diet we can control and training, i will say this training is why we all started right? we love to train so always remember that when you step in the gym forget about gear and genetics and diet and just live in that hour or two we have where our mind is free and we can let tht rage out we as men bottle up everyday because soceity has caged us and we cant do what we want so we have to go smash weights and smash our head against the wall to get it out. so training can be a lot more than just to build muscle imo its a chance to lose control a bit if you want to call it that

heres my numbers bodybuilding is
99% genetic
.5% training
.4% diet
.1% gear
This would be case if natural, but AAS totally disregard that. Because you are taking another route around genetics.

If you body build with a great technique and mindset and effort and all and diet. But you run more AAS and stronger ones, you will get bigger then if you didnt. That is the whole point of AAS.
 
This would be case if natural, but AAS totally disregard that. Because you are taking another route around genetics.

If you body build with a great technique and mindset and effort and all and diet. But you run more AAS and stronger ones, you will get bigger then if you didnt. That is the whole point of AAS.
true, I guess i meant like as a whole take a dude with shit genetics and give him gear and you wouldnt even know hes on a cycle takea guy with elite genetics give him 500mg of test and he transforms... all genetics. how to respond to gear, training, food, digesition, shape, muslce cell number all this is genetics
 
true, I guess i meant like as a whole take a dude with shit genetics and give him gear and you wouldnt even know hes on a cycle takea guy with elite genetics give him 500mg of test and he transforms... all genetics. how to respond to gear, training, food, digesition, shape, muslce cell number all this is genetics
Yes, as some people do genetically have a certain predisposition to certain muscle fiber types too, which you can change over time and train to compensate.

Yes if you put 2 people on the same exact protocol same intensity same everything diet, same AAS amount and type, the one with better genetic will get more out of it.

Just like anything else, if you take 2 people one with a naturally better memory, and then have them study or take a class, the one will do better, but if you give that person who not as genetically capable with memory and give them adderall and then they study more and they do it again. It changes it certainly. And the outcome will change.
 
Yes, as some people do genetically have a certain predisposition to certain muscle fiber types too, which you can change over time and train to compensate.

Yes if you put 2 people on the same exact protocol same intensity same everything diet, same AAS amount and type, the one with better genetic will get more out of it.

Just like anything else, if you take 2 people one with a naturally better memory, and then have them study or take a class, the one will do better, but if you give that person who not as genetically capable with memory and give them adderall and then they study more and they do it again. It changes it certainly. And the outcome will change.
i dont think guys with average or shit genetis understand how easy it is to build muslce for a guy with elite genetics
 
i dont think guys with average or shit genetis understand how easy it is to build muslce for a guy with elite genetics
I think most people who think this way use genetics as an excuse for their lack of discipline and effort and justification for the success of someone they think has good genetics instead of maybe realizing they're inferior in far more ways than jsut genetically.

If you want to use the genetics card, put in 5 years of consistent day to day eating, training, rest, and smart drug use before anyone who's achieved anything significant will give that any appreciation.
 
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If everyone is so different, why does a simple PPL rotation and alternating day session frequency, 45 min session duration, nutrition oriented around eating high cals, carbs, proteins, recovery around resting, and autoregulating based on daily strength work for almost everyone?
Because it doesn't. I've brought into the gym many a friend that simple didn't respond as I did using this simple approach. The difference was genetics in my opinion and they needed to find a better approach that was best suited to their body types needs. Some found this approach. The ones who put in the effort and time to figure it out that is. The others gave up, angry to find out aas wasn't the magic pill they were looking for.
This is the major reason I train alone.
My son is 21 and trains this way naturally and has been making great gains. I've told him over and over if he ever plans to use gear to wait until 25 when he has his base and maybe a kid or two.
 
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Because it doesn't. I've brought into the gym many a friend that simple didn't respond as I did using this simple approach. The difference was genetics in my opinion and they needed to find a better approach that was best suited to their body types needs. Some found this approach. The ones who put in the effort and time to figure it out that is. The others gave up, angry to find out aas wasn't the magic pill they were looking for.
This is the major reason I train alone.
I would place money on the difference being effort/ability to train intensely vs the approach. Genetics don't change the simple variables of muscle gain.

The people who generally don't do well in this simply can't or haven't learned to train hard enough, eat when not hungry, rest, and be consistent.

IMO genetics don't change the core focus of muscle growth, it simply widens the landscape on what can still be effective despite how far from "optimal" something is. Gear changes this even further.

The single most important variable has always effort in my 12+ years doing this and 6+ coaching.
 
I would place money on the difference being effort/ability to train intensely vs the approach. Genetics don't change the simple variables of muscle gain.

The people who generally don't do well in this simply can't or haven't learned to train hard enough, eat when not hungry, rest, and be consistent.

IMO genetics don't change the core focus of muscle growth, it simply widens the landscape on what can still be effective despite how far from "optimal" something is. Gear changes this even further.

The single most important variable has always effort in my 12+ years doing this and 6+ coaching.
This may also be possible, I agree. I discovered this method was best for me when I was natural and it carried over to when I started gear. Only difference was my intensity of training and ability to eat more and recovery quicker.
 
I would place money on the difference being effort/ability to train intensely vs the approach. Genetics don't change the simple variables of muscle gain.

The people who generally don't do well in this simply can't or haven't learned to train hard enough, eat when not hungry, rest, and be consistent.

IMO genetics don't change the core focus of muscle growth, it simply widens the landscape on what can still be effective despite how far from "optimal" something is. Gear changes this even further.

The single most important variable has always effort in my 12+ years doing this and 6+ coaching.
i agree that effort especially with diet will drastically change results but with that being said. You have secretariet and you have an average horse at the end of the day genetics will determain how you look peroid idc how much you put into diet training gear like i said eveything is genetics i learned that when i add 30lbs to my body and my training partner added 3lbs in the same peroid of time and he was on like 2 grams gear and i was on about 1.5g. yes food played a huge role in that but again genetivs deteramins how much food we can put down and process
 
If I train hard enough and eat my meals and I am consistent and disciplined I will be able to play in NBA. Me being 178 cm because that height was influenced by genetics.
That's the logic some of you have.
Not all humans are equal. Not all humans can do certain things at certain rates.
 
If I train hard enough and eat my meals and I am consistent and disciplined I will be able to play in NBA. Me being 178 cm because that height was influenced by genetics.
That's the logic some of you have.
Not all humans are equal. Not all humans can do certain things at certain rates.
Well then might as well not even try or train at all…. Lol
 
If I train hard enough and eat my meals and I am consistent and disciplined I will be able to play in NBA. Me being 178 cm because that height was influenced by genetics.
That's the logic some of you have.
Not all humans are equal. Not all humans can do certain things at certain rates.

While this is very true there are examples of humans who “beat the odds” genetically by applying a massive amount of effort and dedication in comparison to those genetically gifted.
Heart plays a major role as well.

Spud Webb 5 feet 7 inches not only played in the NBA but even more amazing he won the 1986 NBA slam dunk contest
 
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