There are dudes who do paid coaching on here but I am not one of them my man...
Got my hands full coaching my gf and my daughter.
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Has the board been invaded by congenital morons?
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Got my hands full coaching my gf and my daughter.
Dang-1
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As a longtime lurker I think the phenomenon for some is really looking for expert advice, basically a replacement doctor. Having a senior member post can alleviate stress as most people rapidly accept “expert” opinions. This is particularly impactful due to the illegal nature of taking these products leaving a sense of unease for most.
Granted many post just appear to be lazy research combined with lower reading comprehension. However, it’s very reassuring to have people who have been there and done this provide their perspective or advice on even trivial matters. It’s odd since I have been so immersed in this arena for 30 years.
As a 45 year old I’ve been in the PED scene since 1996. When I started my main resources like muscle media 2000 and “dr” Dan Ducains forums and recipes. From just these sources and my veracious reading apatite; I was somehow an “expert” in college to the point where I was approached by multiple members of the football team. Being 18 and making cycles and brewing things was an extreme ego boost but I really had so much to learn. The odd part was how none of the athletes knew anything, except to just take the AAS. Side effects, cycles, pct, was completely unknown by them. It’s glaringly different times now.
With the amount of data now available I believe people get a bit of decision overload paralyses. I just experienced this myself after trying a cycle again 20 years latter. I knew what I should be doing by all my reading but just didn’t want to do it and having a member just say, “hey just get your bloodwork early to check E2” pushed me to order labs earlier than I planned. I do see some ridiculous posts on here though so I might be in the minority.
Granted many post just appear to be lazy research combined with lower reading comprehension. However, it’s very reassuring to have people who have been there and done this provide their perspective or advice on even trivial matters. It’s odd since I have been so immersed in this arena for 30 years.
As a 45 year old I’ve been in the PED scene since 1996. When I started my main resources like muscle media 2000 and “dr” Dan Ducains forums and recipes. From just these sources and my veracious reading apatite; I was somehow an “expert” in college to the point where I was approached by multiple members of the football team. Being 18 and making cycles and brewing things was an extreme ego boost but I really had so much to learn. The odd part was how none of the athletes knew anything, except to just take the AAS. Side effects, cycles, pct, was completely unknown by them. It’s glaringly different times now.
With the amount of data now available I believe people get a bit of decision overload paralyses. I just experienced this myself after trying a cycle again 20 years latter. I knew what I should be doing by all my reading but just didn’t want to do it and having a member just say, “hey just get your bloodwork early to check E2” pushed me to order labs earlier than I planned. I do see some ridiculous posts on here though so I might be in the minority.
Fattyone
Member
I was wrong. We’re being invaded and it’s terrible. Fuck all these stupid mother fuckers. RIP meso
I get the whole elitist tendency for people to eliminate people from a community who disagree with them or who aren't "smart enough" to use AAS/PEDs.
I think many people explicitly want MESO to be an exclusive elite community. They don't want to have to deal with people with varying degrees of ignorance about AAS/PED use.
On the other hand, if MESO is really going to be about harm reduction, the elitist approach doesn't work. You don’t insult and harass and chase off those you disagree with. You don't exclude and eliminate those who make mistakes, ignore advice, and do "stupid" things. You must continually educate them about the potential harm of their behaviors and what can be done to reduce that harm. But most importantly, when they don't heed your advice and make mistakes, you must be patient and keep trying to help them see the truth.
Do you think harm reduction clinics reject and eliminate clients who do "stupid" things or make mistakes or don't heed advice? Does AA/NA tell people who fall off the wagon to fuck off and die, to never come back, insult them and tell them how stupid and weak they are. Of course not. That's not harm reduction.
If MESO really wants to be taken seriously as a harm reduction community, we can't take the elitist approach.
I think many people explicitly want MESO to be an exclusive elite community. They don't want to have to deal with people with varying degrees of ignorance about AAS/PED use.
On the other hand, if MESO is really going to be about harm reduction, the elitist approach doesn't work. You don’t insult and harass and chase off those you disagree with. You don't exclude and eliminate those who make mistakes, ignore advice, and do "stupid" things. You must continually educate them about the potential harm of their behaviors and what can be done to reduce that harm. But most importantly, when they don't heed your advice and make mistakes, you must be patient and keep trying to help them see the truth.
Do you think harm reduction clinics reject and eliminate clients who do "stupid" things or make mistakes or don't heed advice? Does AA/NA tell people who fall off the wagon to fuck off and die, to never come back, insult them and tell them how stupid and weak they are. Of course not. That's not harm reduction.
If MESO really wants to be taken seriously as a harm reduction community, we can't take the elitist approach.
bobfrombobrefridgeration
New Member
What's so bad about a 250 mg cycle? This is supposedly a harm reduction forum? I'm interested in your honest opinion.
canadian mutant
Member
didnt read the 3 pages but to answer your question , yes , yes it has
canadian mutant
Member
ill tell u wats so bad about it
thats almost a TRT dose of test. but u dont need TRT. so ur shutting down your natural production and damaging it just to replace (almost) what ur balls producing naturally
Whopperflopper
Member
The post above contains the perfect reply.
2 Amps of whatever test, cyp, enanth, sust, equating to 500 to 600 a week is a good cycle.
250 a week? That's not a cycle.
It's the bare minimum. I wouldn’t shut down natural test and have to run pct for what will be minimal gains.
bobfrombobrefridgeration
New Member
Thanks for the insight Mutant, Flopper and Paul.
I have a teammate who started taking... believe it or not 125 mg a week... He's slightly below the the minimum of a normal testosterone range and being in the EU his doctor doesn't want to do anything about it. So.. this is what he's doing atm.
I have a teammate who started taking... believe it or not 125 mg a week... He's slightly below the the minimum of a normal testosterone range and being in the EU his doctor doesn't want to do anything about it. So.. this is what he's doing atm.
canadian mutant
Member
jeez. how old is this guy
RiceNKimchi
Member
It's a different time when young and old can hop on YouTube and see algorithms of what is popular. I truthfully wish more old head came out and corrected or just stated their opinion more often.
My views may be not in line with others but the discussion portion of forums have decreased since everyone knows everything and I suppose the ogs just feel it's not worth their time anymore.
My views may be not in line with others but the discussion portion of forums have decreased since everyone knows everything and I suppose the ogs just feel it's not worth their time anymore.
bobfrombobrefridgeration
New Member
He's like.. 17-19 or so. He's honestly really well built for super low T. He's like 210 lbs and pretty lean.
canadian mutant
Member
oh dear god, your friend is a fucking idiot and is what is wrong with steroids lol
Fattyone
Member
Sounds like he had low T and is taking a TRT dose of 125mg a week?
canadian mutant
Member
i interpreted it as he did a "cycle" of 125mg and it fucked up his T
bobfrombobrefridgeration
New Member
No no, he's low T and has gone on 125 mg/week. My bad if I phrased it in a way that could be misunderstood
canadian mutant
Member
ok so he self-administered 125mg trt after doc said no
prob said no to his age i would guess .thats a tough one
prob said no to his age i would guess .thats a tough one
Fantastic Millard. Way to go. Each person has to go through their own learning curve. Those curves when superimposed can all be very different.
It is great we have members here with various backgrounds and experience. Makes for some educational and entertaining threads. You can't beat educational and entertaining all in one.
BigTomJ
Member
I havent been active here for that long, but ive been around on other forums for quite a while, and this isnt just a meso issue, in response i offer the following devils advocate.
is it really an issue with ignorance or lack of AAS//PED knowledge/experience? or is it an influx of unteachable jackasses and nobodies just here to suck off source cock.
I havent been here as a contributing member for long, but this is what i see in most posts.
But on the same card, i think its just as important to make it crystal clear that the unteachable ones that continue their ineffective or self destructive behavior be clearly and loudly called out on it, not for their sake, but for other members sake that may not post themselves, but may read the thread in question in the future.
to really be focused on best safe practices, efficacy, and harm reduction in the AAS/PED world there needs to be a balance of patience for those just learning, and intolerance for those that are just seeking validation.
Sometimes which youre dealing with isnt always readily apparent, and in those cases i believe benefit of the doubt is a good rule of thumb, but only to a certain degree.
some people are in fact idiots and are following objectively bad practices, some people deserve "bullying" for the good of any lurkers reading the thread so that what is expected as harm reduction/best practices is fully understood.
is it really an issue with ignorance or lack of AAS//PED knowledge/experience? or is it an influx of unteachable jackasses and nobodies just here to suck off source cock.
I havent been here as a contributing member for long, but this is what i see in most posts.
At what stage do you write off these types of individuals as validation seeking as they seem?
I get and agree with your sentiment. Some of the people i enjoy helping/interacting with are TEACHABLE noobs or beginners. the people that are authentically here or on other forums to better themselves and learn.
But on the same card, i think its just as important to make it crystal clear that the unteachable ones that continue their ineffective or self destructive behavior be clearly and loudly called out on it, not for their sake, but for other members sake that may not post themselves, but may read the thread in question in the future.
to really be focused on best safe practices, efficacy, and harm reduction in the AAS/PED world there needs to be a balance of patience for those just learning, and intolerance for those that are just seeking validation.
Sometimes which youre dealing with isnt always readily apparent, and in those cases i believe benefit of the doubt is a good rule of thumb, but only to a certain degree.
some people are in fact idiots and are following objectively bad practices, some people deserve "bullying" for the good of any lurkers reading the thread so that what is expected as harm reduction/best practices is fully understood.
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