Are cardio gains permanent, or do they quickly fade

john11

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Hi And thanks for reading.
Out of all these compounds : cardarine, cardazol, Albuterol, Clenbuterol, Thyroxine, SR9009 and cialis, which gives permanent cardio gains?

I have been searching around and some people are saying they kept most of the cardio gains from their compound cycle as long as they kept on training after the cycle was over, while others say they lost them after the cycle, and the compounds just helped them push harder during the training.
Can you please clarify either way or if you have any additional information
Many Thanks
 
Good afternoon, sir.

In theory, SR9009 increases the number of mitochondria, which increases your endurance. I personally felt this effect on myself. I have not found confirmation that mitochondria will persist after you cancel the drug. You stimulate your body artificially and there are no prerequisites that you will save your stamina after cancellation. Any doping works that way.
 
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Did you do pct after the cycle, this is supposed to help maintain the gains.

Also, how long are any of the above mentioned compounds they detectable for.
 
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Are any of the above mentioned legal to take, i heard cardarine is illegal and can be detected in a test up to a month later, but what about any of the others?
Cardazol appears to be legal
 
If 'only' cardio gains were permanent, if only ...... Then I would still be as fit as I was when I played tennis for northern UK in my teens Lol Instead of an out of breath powerlifting gear addict lol
 
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What do athletes take to improve cardio, apart from what i have mentioned above. Do they take masking agents to cover drug use, do they take something to flush drugs out of their bodies. As some compounds have a short half life, do they stop taking their compounds the day before a test to avoid detection.
 
Imo Definitely not permanent. You need to constantly be working if you’re gonna maintain your cardio and vo2 max. Cardarine can definitely help push the cardio and recover a bit imo but even if you continue the same cardio when you don’t use it it’s gonna get tougher to maintain the same level. People also use ostarine and EPO for cardio and quite a few athletes have been Popped for them in different sports. I think for EPO and that sort of thing you would be hard pressed to find people who say then gains are permanent.
 
Good afternoon, sir.

In theory, SR9009 increases the number of mitochondria, which increases your endurance. I personally felt this effect on myself. I have not found confirmation that mitochondria will persist after you cancel the drug. You stimulate your body artificially and there are no prerequisites that you will save your stamina after cancellation. Any doping works that way.
Mitochondria are organelles inside of cells and I can't imagine that the ones you gain from sr9009 would just degrade quickly. I think you need to keep up the endurance challenges to your body for it to recognize that it needs to keep replacing the mitochondria as they degrade over time. I haven't taken sr9009 yet, but I know from experience as an endurance athlete that if I slack off over the winter I still have 75-80% of my endurance when the spring hits.
 
Mitochondria are organelles inside of cells and I can't imagine that the ones you gain from sr9009 would just degrade quickly. I think you need to keep up the endurance challenges to your body for it to recognize that it needs to keep replacing the mitochondria as they degrade over time. I haven't taken sr9009 yet, but I know from experience as an endurance athlete that if I slack off over the winter I still have 75-80% of my endurance when the spring hits.

Mitochondria are not just organelles, they are semi-independent organisms with which we are in symbiosis - now the main theory is this: Mitochondria were once independently living bacteria, and in the process of evolution they became part of our body. In 1985, a group of scientists nominated a microorganism with the complex name Alphaproteobacteria for the role of the "father" of mitochondrias. By the way, even while inside a human cell, the mitochondrion continues to lead a completely independent life: it has its own “workshop” for protein synthesis, including its own DNA and RNA molecules, nontypical for a humans.

The authors of the journal Sports Medicine traced the relationship between regular training and the number of mitochondria. It turned out that aerobic exercise affects the formation of mitochondria in a fairly predictable way: the more you exercise, the more mitochondria are formed. Within a few months, the number of mitochondria can increase by 50%, but the opposite is also true - as soon as regular training is stopped, the number of mitochondria decreases, returning to its original baseline values within a few months.
These are the findings of the study.

The first attempts by physiologists to increase the density of mitochondria were carried out through the impact on the endocrine system, and these attempts had some success. The number of mitochondria increased along with an increase in the level of the thyroid hormone - thyroxine. Dried thyroid glands were added to laboratory rats, and this led to a significant increase in the size and density of mitochondria in the liver and heart. As a stimulant drug, thyroxine was very popular for some time, until it was discovered that an excessive concentration of this hormone leads to very undesirable side effects.

It is believed that a weekly workout that includes running 5 km or 3 km at full strength gives the maximum effect on the development of mitochondria.

Thus, the mitochondrial function and their number is an adaptation to the stress of our body, and whether it is from external influences or substances, it can disappear over time if it has not acquired a "persistent form".
 
Hi And thanks for reading.
Out of all these compounds : cardarine, cardazol, Albuterol, Clenbuterol, Thyroxine, SR9009 and cialis, which gives permanent cardio gains?

I have been searching around and some people are saying they kept most of the cardio gains from their compound cycle as long as they kept on training after the cycle was over, while others say they lost them after the cycle, and the compounds just helped them push harder during the training.
Can you please clarify either way or if you have any additional information
Many Thanks
DO some PCT man! 2 weeks after cycle
 
Hi And thanks for reading.
Out of all these compounds : cardarine, cardazol, Albuterol, Clenbuterol, Thyroxine, SR9009 and cialis, which gives permanent cardio gains?

I have been searching around and some people are saying they kept most of the cardio gains from their compound cycle as long as they kept on training after the cycle was over, while others say they lost them after the cycle, and the compounds just helped them push harder during the training.
Can you please clarify either way or if you have any additional information
Many Thanks
None of them dude.
 
Hi And thanks for reading.
Out of all these compounds : cardarine, cardazol, Albuterol, Clenbuterol, Thyroxine, SR9009 and cialis, which gives permanent cardio gains?

I have been searching around and some people are saying they kept most of the cardio gains from their compound cycle as long as they kept on training after the cycle was over, while others say they lost them after the cycle, and the compounds just helped them push harder during the training.
Can you please clarify either way or if you have any additional information
Many Thanks
The only permanent cardio gains are from permanently doing cardio...
every fucking day!

Not a drug.

Jesus Christ
 
Hi And thanks for reading.
Out of all these compounds : cardarine, cardazol, Albuterol, Clenbuterol, Thyroxine, SR9009 and cialis, which gives permanent cardio gains?

I have been searching around and some people are saying they kept most of the cardio gains from their compound cycle as long as they kept on training after the cycle was over, while others say they lost them after the cycle, and the compounds just helped them push harder during the training.
Can you please clarify either way or if you have any additional information
Many Thanks

The main purpose of performance enhancing drugs in sport is as follows:

You take them for a specified period, say 3 months of base training during your off-season. In that time they allow you to work harder (longer training sessions, faster recovery times, increased strength, depending on the drug). When you come off you benefit from the training you’ve done the same as any other training, you’ve just done more of it because the drugs allowed you to work harder.
 
If we have permanent benefit why would we have doping scandals? Take the stuff in off season and you're clean in season with your "permanent" gains.

It's like blood pressure medication. Take it and your blood pressure drops. What happens when you stop?
 
Because athletes miscalculate the detection times of the compound they’re using.
I couldn't do any better than them with some the money they have to buy the best of the best. Relating to the title though they are definitely not permanent or they wouldn't push the limits with testing
 
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