Do you have any literature to prove these statement about melting points or is this bro science? I'm not saying it is, don't get offended I'm just asking
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It looks right to meYou probably added the Compound VOL (mls) to it?
Don't destroy my first brew success
I did the math
I can be easy for someone to mistake the compound vol displacement measurement with the compound weight measurement
Or I guess accidentally add the compound weight to the volume measurements since they are all together.
This is your first ever brew?
If so, just a recommendation is to stick with the standard 200 mg/ml for Test C
Good luck, your gonna be hooked on brewing
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Yes, brewed for the first time yesterday. I actually planned to stick with 200 but then i thought yolo and tried 300. I hope it wont crash but so far everything is still looking good and no PIP.
Already hooked on that warm smell of freshly cooked test cyp
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Ah you already did it. Very niceYes, brewed for the first time yesterday. I actually planned to stick with 200 but then i thought yolo and tried 300. I hope it wont crash but so far everything is still looking good and no PIP.
Already hooked on that warm smell of freshly cooked test cyp
Oh yeah like freshly baked swole cookies lol
No offense taken at all. It’s a nuanced point that someone would only understand if they had taken college level chemistry and physics.
I have 3 years of college chemistry under my belt,General/Organic/Biochemistry, not to say I’m an expert but I have a good fundamental understanding of chemistry/physics and the thermodynamic law that dictate this kind of thing.
Basically, for a substance to change phase ex: solid to liquid as in brewing. A certain amount of energy must be input to drive that change. Otherwise things would randomly dissolve and explode constantly. Think of it as the energy barrier that keeps thing the way they are.
The melting point of a substance is a indicator of how much energy in the form of heat must be added to a solid to get it to turn into a liquid with no other factors. Now solvents are present to lower that amount of energy needed to make the phase change happen. In this example that is the carrier oil and BB.
Thus in the solution of Bb and carrier oil the actual temperature needed to make the phase change is often time next to zero. Although adding heat will speed the process up.
One of the hallmarks of skilled brewers seems to be they use the least amount of heat and opt for an increased time of solute (hormone) in solution (BB and carrier oil).
I have seen cat cafe USA’s brewer make this statement several times and his products seem to be of very high quality.
As far as literature goes just Wikipedia solvents, thermodynamics of solute solvent interactions etc. what I explained pulls concepts from several principles of chemistry so it’s doubtful you will find one place that puts it all together in this context which is why I went ahead and explained it.
As I said no expert here but it’s pretty fundamental principles of general first year chemistry at play. No chemical reactions occur in the brewing process your just affecting a phase change of a substance and then filtering to be sterile. It’s incredibly simple
Shit sorry brother, i apologize. That was my mistake completely.You probably added the Compound VOL (mls) to it?
Don't destroy my first brew success
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My next brew will be 350mg/ml in 2/22 mct. 300 is holding fantastic and zero pip (2/21 in mct)
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I just went the other way lol
I literally just finished a 200 mg/ml brew of Test C
This was inspired by the thread about heat and brewing and @Laxbro88 comment in this thread. Props laxbro88
I did 2/20 where I normally would have done 1.5/18 with a 200mg/ml to increase the BB solvent slightly.
Used MCT
And only used just enough heat (barely any) to just get the solution clear
Stirred raws, mct, BB for about 45 mins on no heat but solution just slightly warm
Added BA last 15 mins
Thanks man, that’s pretty much the exact process I use for my brews. Simple, effective, probably not scalable without a lot of equipment lol.
I used to buy premade from a guy who made great Test Cyp at 300mg in GSO/Mct, but he started putting EO in it to prevent crashing in the winter and I couldn’t tolerate it so I started home brewing after I found a good raw source/source in general for everything.
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Thank you
I’m going to brew like this from now on
I think what helped was using a separate heat plate and magnetic stirrer. Otherwise it would have been more heat.
What I did was stir the raws, BB and MCT briefly till mixed. I had the heat plate on the lowest setting (below 1, on just a warm setting) I put the beaker on for about a minute and then on the stirrer for 5 mins. I repeated this process 3 times until the solution went crystal clear while stirring, not while heating. Then I stirred for an additional 30 mins.
How does that sound to you?
Sounds perfect man, I’m glad it worked out for you! The next investment I’m going to make it a stirring apparatus of some sort for sure. Sounds like you’re on a good track and you have a good understanding of manipulating the solvent/carrier oil to heat equation effectively. Another thing I have heard of but not tried is mixing a ratio of mct with GSO as a carrier oil and it enhances the holding capacity of the oil to be greater than McT or GSO on its own. I’m out and about so I can’t look it up exactly but some of the more experienced brewers I have seen use this to help hold higher concentrations with out using stronger solvents like EO/Guaicol etc.
Glad to be of service man, I have all this education and barely use it anymore.
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Excellent. Thank you, appreciate your knowledge and guidance.
I would be interested to learn more about combining MCT and GSO as those are the two carrier oils I use. And maybe making higher concentration brew with minimal heat.
I know I might have steered away from the purpose of the thread a touch today but this combination of carrier oils might also be a useful tool in higher concentrations?
I think it was a 70/30 ratio of GSO to mct but I’m not 100% on that though. I think Liska was the one using it to make Test 400 with a mix of enanthate and cypionate esters.
The mixing carrier oils seemed to enable it to hold without any more than 2/20 ba/bb no other solvent.
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Just wanted to give another suggestion in addition to laxbro.
Buy a heated magnetic stirrer and use PTFE stir bars.
I also use an IR thermometer I bought at home depot for $30. This is just a good touchless method of monitoring the temperature while also decreasing the chances of contaminates and germs being introduced while checking the temperature of your brew.
Also invest in a nice name brand calibrated glassware. Cheap glassware is frequently off by its measurements or it could burst while sterilizing it in the oven. Fisher scientific, medlabsupply, ect.
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All good advice.
I like the idea of the IR thermometer. Going to give that a try. Thank you
With this last brew I did, I used a separate magnetic stirrer (with PTFE stir bar) so that I could quickly remove it from the heat. I can’t emphasize enough how little heat I used on this last brew. Really barely above room temperature and only for a second. The goal with this last brew was to dissolve the raws with the absolute least amount of heat possible and mainly rely on stirring, time and the solvent. More of an experiment than anything. I definitely don’t need to brew anymore vials right now. Got quite a collection lol.
I was pretty happy with the result.
Was tough to filter though, but it filtered
Next brew is going to be 250 with the same process. Or maybe 300 with EO?
The 300mg/ml brew is holding well
Enjoying this thread BTW @5scoops
