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Insulin and GH at the same time?
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Hamd19
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Taking carbs after HGH is not a problem since that HGH is synthetic, there's no impact, it's the natural HGH production that gets disrupted after taking carbs. However, from my experience, I've been taking hgh in the morning (pre-cardio) and/or at night. Insulin should be taken preferably mid or at the end of the weight workout with a source of carbs (oats, cream of rice...). I've never used insulin though but this is the drill.
he mentions carb intake because gh fucks with insulin secretion/sensitivity. So yes, eating carbs immediately after a gH dose is an issue.
I prefer insulin after an hgh dose prior to the next meal unless you can wait hours
Hamd19
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Oh ok, I get it. But isn't it a bit tricky to take both at the same time? because the purpose of taking insulin is for growth and when you'll take you must have with it a source of carbs. It's preferable to have it before ending your workout so you can enhance nutrient storage and muscle fullness after exercise. Since HGH is naturally released while doing weight workout, the synthetic one could be taken in the morning and/or at night. Am I right ?
Thanks for the reply, this is kind of where I feel most people are. Ive been searching all over and I can't find any actual studies that prove it but there is some info out there that says IGF1 is the highest when they are taken together like the insulin acts as a potetentiator or something. But I cant find anything beyond that. I'm just experimenting right now. I was dosing HGH pre workout and training fasted (morning) and then doing and insulin post workout with a shake, meal 1hr later. I decided to switch because a lot of guys recommend either doing insulin pre and post or even just pre workout so the carbs and aminos, Creatine etc can be shuttled to the muscles throught the workout and increase the pump.
Exactly lol, nutrition around your workout is just as if not more important than drugs and if you can't eat with GH it's hard to decide what the best timing would be to maximize benefits while still fueling the muscles. The majority of people say for fat loss train fasted and take GH when you wake up and train fasted. You can also take small doses several times a day for fat loss. For size they say to take it at night and 2 time a day or even EOD at 2x dose. My making goal now is to maximize IGF1 during the workout while stuffing nutrients in there as much as possible. I still like the best of both worlds approach of fat loss taking GH fasted pre and Insulin post but we will see how this experiment plays out. I can say for sure the sides seem to be greater doing them together. More water retention and carpel tunnel got worse right away at the same dose which leads me to believe the GH is still working but that may not mean anything... I'll see if I can get labs done after GH alone and both to see what my IGF1 levels are.
My approach is GH, wait 30-45m, pin slin, eat. I do this both for my fasted dose and post workout dose.
Hamd19
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Yeah, exactly. That's why it got fuzzy for me when you mentioned both. Honestly, I have no experience with insulin however I know that it'll disrupt your hgh since a source of carb must be taken with it. Also, my brother takes the isulin before his last couple of sets (with cream of rice and whey isolate).
For my case, I'm still a bit scared of insulin because a misusage of it may have its consequences and we already have diabeties in our family.
Honestly, I'm not a fan of fasted weight workout even with HGH, it hasn't given me much growth, cardio however has given awesome results in my previous cut, I felt like 30min was worth hours, and my metabolism has peaked (I was taking 2 IU of HGH before cardio) and 2 IU at night before bed.
Your goal of increasing IGF-1 sounds interesting and I'd really like to know the outcome of your experiment, could u please share it with us when you'll get the labs done?
Hamd19
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very interesting approach. So will it work if I potentially take GH, do my fasted cardio for like 30min and right after have an insulin shot and take my breakfast with eggs and oats with it?
And later, take a shot of GH, do my weight workout, and in the last couple of sets have insulin with whey and carbs?
not a big fan of GH pre unless slin follows it before training but you could. However, would not advise pinning while training, especially slin. A few idle minutes won’t hurt.
Hamd19
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OK got it, so slin should be taken right after training.
Thanks for the tip!!
Thanks for the tip!!
Preferably take gH, wait 30-45, take slin, eat preworkout meal, have Intra shake, eat post meal
OR
eat pre, train, take GH, wait 30-45, take slin, eat post
BigTomJ
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Acute, relatively inconsequential, fluctuations in serum levels make virtually zero difference in performance or results.
The intermittent fasting crowds dogma revolves around some key talking points, one of which, namely, is the accute spike in GH secretion when fasting. Which we know does absolutely nothing in the long term for any performance or results net benefit.
Hamd19
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Thank you very much for your advices Mac!!
I'll keep your approach in mind and I'll follow it if I ever start using slin, I'm still scared of it right now
Hamd19
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I think I've got your point, and it's logical when you put it this way. In my case, I was actually talking about the disruption of natural GH secreted during the workout by the carbs eaten right after training but I see what you mean.
It depends a lot on what type of slin you take. I use novalin R from Walmart. It takes about 15 to 30 min to peak and has 2 other peaks up to 5 hrs so you need a fast carb shake right away and have a meal about 1 hr later. Keep some Gatorade or candy on hand at all times if you feel like you're going hypo. There are faster insulins that have the full effect in 30 min and you can die if you don't get carbs immediately. Safe bet is 10g carbs per 1 IU slin. 1 IU slin is 1 tiny line not the 10 mark like GH also. It's best to do pre workout or post workout and have a shake with dextrin, dextrose, or some other quick carb shake. Add aminos, creatine as well as the insulin is supposed to help shovel that into the muscle as well. You don't want to eat any fat for at least an hour so you can have a full meal later. If using rapid slin you want a large shake and simple carb meal sooner. You are more likely to get diabetes using HGH alone than if you add insulin. Adding insulin is actually mainly to prevent diabetes because HGH causes you to become insulin resistant and you add a small amount of insulin on high carb days training days only it gives your pancreas a break and helps your body absorb the food better. If you abuse slin it can cause diabetes for sure but that's not what's it's meant for.
LSDPowerlifting
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Why not take Log sometime between 1h to 1h30m post hgh, and fast slin somewhere between 30 minutes to 1h post hgh? I just figure we wwnt then all leaking at the same time, I know hgh and fast slin both peak at 2 hours it's just I like to get my pw meal in as close as I can before that peak and I'll start going hypo a lot of times way before 2 hours laternif I take them both at the same time and the lypolysis from taking the hgh a little early seems to also slow down my drop in bg
But why not Log 1 hour and 30 minutes after hgh so we can have the meal, the log and the gh all spiking hard as fuck at the same time? Doesn't that boost igf-1?
But why not Log 1 hour and 30 minutes after hgh so we can have the meal, the log and the gh all spiking hard as fuck at the same time? Doesn't that boost igf-1?
Hamd19
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Really? I didn't know that GH could expose me at the risk of getting diabetes more than taking insulin, this is maddening.
I'll look into, and when u spoke about fast insulin do you mean, "Novorapid" ? This is the one my brother takes.
Thanks for your advice!
BigTomJ
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here is exactly what my protocol is.
6am wake up, 2 iu GH immediately.
730 meal 1
1030 meal 2
1230 meal 3
330 meal 4 (pre workout meal, 5iu humalog right before eating)
6-7pm meal 5 (post workout, 5iu right before eating
830-9pm meal 6
930-1030 2iu GH right before bed.
Hamd19
New Member
Thanks for sharing your protocol with us, looks very interesting.
But isn't 10iu of insulin per day a lot? I'm now lean bulking so I'm not doing fasted cardio anymore, I'm doing it post workout, so I'm taking 6iu of GH at once before bed and I know it's a little high. What do you think?
