Newbie guide to insulin?

[Trainedbytylerlofthouse19]

Humulin r starts to work around 30 minutes post injection.. The peak is around 2-3 hours post injection.. And it's total duration of action is 8 hours from injection..

10iu absolutely can be dangerous.. I know we have studies and alot of failed suicide using insulin but you catch yourself in the wrong place going hypo and no sugar in site you will be in a coma and again if in the wrong place with no people around, your not gonna get found till it's too late..

Lots of things can affect insulin resistance and sensitivity.. 10iu one day can hit a whole lot different 10iu another day.. Aslong as your been safe and keeping fast sugars around you, also if you can make sure someone close is aware of what you are doing.. Just in case the worst happens they can at least help the medics sort the problem faster.. Religiously check your Blood Glucose levels aswell

 

[Avarice911]

10iu of insulin is not scary at all if you’re not reckless about it. Eat the carbs required at the right time and you’ll feel nothing. Unpopular opinion but insulin is prob more played up than DNP

 

[EXCELLENTMENTALHEALTH]

Do you need to eat protein at a certain time with insulin, does that matter? I know they say eat a meal after workout but just curious. Are we just eating to avoid hypo or isn't t to shuttle nutrients into the cells?

 

[buzzingonaas]

Yeah the point of insulin is to take over for your pancreas so get your meals in while you have insulin. Eat normally and use your insulin around those meals, so yes get your proteins and carbs in. The only thing is limit fats because if you’re taking a good amount of insulin it’ll shuttle all that fat in and it’ll be stored, so if you have fat in your pre and post workout meals (or whenever you have insulin), just move those fats to other meals

 

[EXCELLENTMENTALHEALTH]

Well I usually eat my big protein meal at dinner and do my pre-workout insulin and post-workout meal as a lunch with protein so.... I guess I'll switch my dinner and lunch next time.

Thanks for everyone for the help. A week on this stuff and my weight went up 10lbs. Not sure on strength yet since I haven't had a rest day yet but seems pretty cool and solid on gains. Did eat a bit dirty since I had a grocery's worth of some high carbs and fats (milk, ice cream...) laying around due to a date but I did a lot of heavy cardio too.

Will have to take a break since I'm out of gear and hgh at the moment but will try again in a few weeks. I think next go around I can eat pretty clean at maintenance maybe even cut on just 10iu insulin with tren. Seems like a pretty solid addition to a cycle.

I didn't really like having to chug a 50-100g carb drink during workout pushing my calories a bit higher than I liked since I don't do liquid calories but I think I can just use the fruit I normally eat next time and keep emergency carbs in the gym

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

Does exogenous slin effect endogenous secretion?

 

[BrockSamson42]

Yeah the point of insulin is to take over for your pancreas so get your meals in while you have insulin. Eat normally and use your insulin around those meals, so yes get your proteins and carbs in. The only thing is limit fats because if you’re taking a good amount of insulin it’ll shuttle all that fat in and it’ll be stored, so if you have fat in your pre and post workout meals (or whenever you have insulin), just move those fats to other meals

Vs Lantus which is just the same all day? So you would need a diet that has minimal Fat all around? I am guessing.

 

[Trainedbytylerlofthouse19]

Does exogenous slin effect endogenous secretion?

I'm not sure what studies would say but for ME PERSONALLY.. Say I'm running 70iu Lantus per day for 4 weeks, when I stop the insulin I only see a loss of glycogen.. And get real bad Hypos with my calories dropping due to not having the raging appetite it can give you.. This says to me that my endogenous is working fine.. 700grams of carbs on 70iu if I stop my carbs will drop to 450-500g and as stated I get seriously bad hypos

I always have low blood sugar regardless of the insulin use.. Not sure if that's worth anything haha

 

[Trainedbytylerlofthouse19]

Vs Lantus which is just the same all day? So you would need a diet that has minimal Fat all around? I am guessing.

If using a good dose of HGH eating the right food(like you should be anyway) and training correctly fat gain will always be minimal..

 

[Avarice911]

Does exogenous slin effect endogenous secretion?

No, you’ll still be fine with endogenous production unless you severely fuck up your insulin sensitivity somehow

 

[BrockSamson42]

If using a good dose of HGH eating the right food(like you should be anyway) and training correctly fat gain will always be minimal..

I see, yes planned on using 6IU with Lantus as well as around 200mg of Tren E or Hex.

I see anywhere from 20iu of Lantus to 30. The iu per # of carbs varies from user to user input on here so im wondering. I dont think it would be more than 30iu ? Theres obviously a sweet spot.

 

[Trainedbytylerlofthouse19]

I see, yes planned on using 6IU with Lantus as well as around 200mg of Tren E or Hex.

I see anywhere from 20iu of Lantus to 30. The iu per # of carbs varies from user to user input on here so im wondering. I dont think it would be more than 30iu ? Theres obviously a sweet spot.

6iu will be fine aslong as your getting cardio in and especially with a dose of Tren in the mix..

Tren can also mess with your BG.. Alot of people report going hypo when using Tren.. Just keep an eye on it using a monitor then you can change your dose depending on what's going on..

I personally see great results from Lantus at 50iu and above.. I took a very long time to work upto this dose though, this was after multiple cycles..

I will never recommend any dose of insulin to anyone as we all handle things differently.. In my experience a beginner will absolutely see results from 20-30iu Lantus.. Nice full pumps all day and huge appetite increase..

Sounds like a nice low dose cycle mate.. How much Testosterone are you looking at using?

 

[Trades]

I see, yes planned on using 6IU with Lantus as well as around 200mg of Tren E or Hex.

I see anywhere from 20iu of Lantus to 30. The iu per # of carbs varies from user to user input on here so im wondering. I dont think it would be more than 30iu ? Theres obviously a sweet spot.

As I undestand it:

the sweet spot is the dose that puts your blood glucose in the right place, which is why you need to monitor bg levels and understand how all the different factors (carbs, cardio, tren/whatever, etc.) effect you blood glucose/insulin sensitivity. if you always make plenty of insulin because you have a healthy pancreas, and if you always maintain a comfortable balance of insulin sensitivity, then exogenous insulin will be problematic.

working up your insulin dose without increasing carbs or glucose disposing methods (cardio, tren, whatever), just means you're getting insulin resistant. this is counterproductive to our goals.

 

[Eddie.]

6iu will be fine aslong as your getting cardio in and especially with a dose of Tren in the mix..

Tren can also mess with your BG.. Alot of people report going hypo when using Tren.. Just keep an eye on it using a monitor then you can change your dose depending on what's going on..

I personally see great results from Lantus at 50iu and above.. I took a very long time to work upto this dose though, this was after multiple cycles..

I will never recommend any dose of insulin to anyone as we all handle things differently.. In my experience a beginner will absolutely see results from 20-30iu Lantus.. Nice full pumps all day and huge appetite increase..

Sounds like a nice low dose cycle mate.. How much Testosterone are you looking at using?

What a nice post dude! I think i heard from Skip on a podcast that tren increases insulin sensitivity, so you're probably right. As a new to gear but 2 decades on the rest stuff, i'm starting to learn about insulin and when the time comes and i'm lean enough so i can push some high carbs in the off season lantus will be the one to test the waters. It's quite hard to screw things up with lantus, i've heard a story of a guy that injected a full pen of 300 iu to cause himself going hypo and it didn't. Also you could start with 10 iu, check your bg through the day, next week increase to 20 and so on. I mean, if you just use a x amount that takes some pressure off from the pancreas, it would be beneficial. Perhaps there's no need to overdo it if you're not a comp bber..am i wrong?

 

[Trainedbytylerlofthouse19]

What a nice post dude! I think i heard from Skip on a podcast that tren increases insulin sensitivity, so you're probably right. As a new to gear but 2 decades on the rest stuff, i'm starting to learn about insulin and when the time comes and i'm lean enough so i can push some high carbs in the off season lantus will be the one to test the waters. It's quite hard to screw things up with lantus, i've heard a story of a guy that injected a full pen of 300 iu to cause himself going hypo and it didn't. Also you could start with 10 iu, check your bg through the day, next week increase to 20 and so on. I mean, if you just use a x amount that takes some pressure off from the pancreas, it would be beneficial. Perhaps there's no need to overdo it if you're not a comp bber..am i wrong?

This is a good way to start yes.. Yes it gives the pancreas a break but there comes a point that carbs are too high for your own endogenous to handle and this is why Insulin comes into play.. Also the fact that HGH will raise BG over time..

Novorapid or any rapid insulin can be implemented around training when your carb intake is higher.. So if your carbs are fairly steady through the day these will cover the lantus then if your having high carbs around workout a rapid insulin dose would be added..

Iv also never seen a problem using 3days on 1 day off either or say a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday protocol..

Again this is all my own experience and could differ from others..

 

[BrockSamson42]

6iu will be fine aslong as your getting cardio in and especially with a dose of Tren in the mix..

Tren can also mess with your BG.. Alot of people report going hypo when using Tren.. Just keep an eye on it using a monitor then you can change your dose depending on what's going on..

I personally see great results from Lantus at 50iu and above.. I took a very long time to work upto this dose though, this was after multiple cycles..

I will never recommend any dose of insulin to anyone as we all handle things differently.. In my experience a beginner will absolutely see results from 20-30iu Lantus.. Nice full pumps all day and huge appetite increase..

Sounds like a nice low dose cycle mate.. How much Testosterone are you looking at using?

This particular cycle Utalizing Lantus I am still planning, but the rough draft looks like this. I dont plan on running it for awhile. I May switch Test to 375 and Deca to 300.

The main Growth will take place once everything is in gear after week 6 and the body has been in gear mode. Heard it was bad to run Insulin longer than a couple months. So i timed it for mid cycle.

WEEKS 1 - 16
Test 250 mg
Deca 400 mg
Primo 200 mg
rHGH 6iu ED
Hcg 500mcg EOD
25mg Proviron ED

Weeks 1 - 4
Anadrol 50 mg ED

Weeks 6-13
200mg Tren E
INSULIN LANTUS 25iu ED

Weeks 12 - 16
50mg Turinabol ED

 

[Juicedhead]

Broooo why do guys want to start with slin pre training? Bad idea. Also insulin should be used in addition to your current diet. Example, if you eat 50grams of carbs with you post training meal use 5iu slin. You dont want to have to consume extra carbs that arent in your diet plan to cover your insulin use. Example, if you eat 50 grams of carbs in post training meal and you use 10iu slin now you have to eat 100 grams with your post training meal the extra 50 grams would be to cover your slin so you dont go hypo. Insulin is an amazing mass builder its fucking awsome. But you want to add it into your current diet plan. Start with your post training meal, 1iu per 10 grams of carbs that is already on your diet plan. And no fats with insulin. So train, come home and cook your meal lets say its 50 grams of protein and 50 grams of white rice. cook the food, shoot your slin, and eat your meal. I only use humalog, if youre using humalin there are two peaks so have your meal after your post training meal like 1.5 hrs after. Having sugar in the house is a must just in case your go hypo but you shouldnt if youre just adding it to you current diet plan. Also, if possible just have oats or a good carb source instead of slamming sugar drinks if you go hypo. And if youre not on a strict low fat diet plan i wouldnt use insulin as your diet needs to be consistent and on point or you might end up adding extra bodyfat. Sorry if all this was mentioned i didnt read all the replies in the thread.

 

[BrockSamson42]

This particular cycle Utalizing Lantus I am still planning, but the rough draft looks like this. I dont plan on running it for awhile. I May switch Test to 375 and Deca to 300.

The main Growth will take place once everything is in gear after week 6 and the body has been in gear mode. Heard it was bad to run Insulin longer than a couple months. So i timed it for mid cycle.

WEEKS 1 - 16
Test 250 mg
Deca 400 mg
Primo 200 mg
rHGH 6iu ED
Hcg 500mcg EOD
25mg Proviron ED

Weeks 1 - 4
Anadrol 50 mg ED

Weeks 6-13
200mg Tren E
INSULIN LANTUS 25iu ED

Weeks 12 - 16
50mg Turinabol ED

I should add I know the insulin number is based on my carb intake, which will be around 350-400g a day. However, with Lantus im unsure what this translates to for IU, some people say 1iu per 10g of carbs, others 15g of carbs. Obviously the goal is to not get fat here.

 

[EXCELLENTMENTALHEALTH]

Broooo why do guys want to start with slin pre training? Bad idea. Also insulin should be used in addition to your current diet. Example, if you eat 50grams of carbs with you post training meal use 5iu slin. You dont want to have to consume extra carbs that arent in your diet plan to cover your insulin use. Example, if you eat 50 grams of carbs in post training meal and you use 10iu slin now you have to eat 100 grams with your post training meal the extra 50 grams would be to cover your slin so you dont go hypo. Insulin is an amazing mass builder its fucking awsome. But you want to add it into your current diet plan. Start with your post training meal, 1iu per 10 grams of carbs that is already on your diet plan. And no fats with insulin. So train, come home and cook your meal lets say its 50 grams of protein and 50 grams of white rice. cook the food, shoot your slin, and eat your meal. I only use humalog, if youre using humalin there are two peaks so have your meal after your post training meal like 1.5 hrs after. Having sugar in the house is a must just in case your go hypo but you shouldnt if youre just adding it to you current diet plan. Also, if possible just have oats or a good carb source instead of slamming sugar drinks if you go hypo. And if youre not on a strict low fat diet plan i wouldnt use insulin as your diet needs to be consistent and on point or you might end up adding extra bodyfat. Sorry if all this was mentioned i didnt read all the replies in the thread.

From what I've read, humulin-r is to be taken pre workout.

I've heard humulog/rapids are better but humulin-r is easy to access to start with and cheap. I'll look into humulog in the future

 

[Eddie.]

This is a good way to start yes.. Yes it gives the pancreas a break but there comes a point that carbs are too high for your own endogenous to handle and this is why Insulin comes into play.. Also the fact that HGH will raise BG over time..

Novorapid or any rapid insulin can be implemented around training when your carb intake is higher.. So if your carbs are fairly steady through the day these will cover the lantus then if your having high carbs around workout a rapid insulin dose would be added..

Iv also never seen a problem using 3days on 1 day off either or say a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday protocol..

Again this is all my own experience and could differ from others..

Yeah i know it's considered cheap and anyone can use it but i don't really intend to add slin without adding first the GH, or at least the fast/rapid ones.. Perhaps 20-30 iu lantus with 400-500gr carbs per day would be helpful either with HGH or not, i'll see..

Another thing i would like to ask regarding lantus, i know combining trash food and high fats+high carbs with slin is a terrible idea and obviously if you have a free day or a cheat meal while using fast insulin you'll just skip it, but what about lantus? If you have a cheat meal per week off season is it reasonable to not take lantus that day or you proceed as usual? I know it's active for like 20 hours so if you pin in the morning whatever time the cheat meal will be insulin secretion will be higher. Maybe a silly question though, i'm just curious