TRT + to peeing clean in competition

[chocolateandjuice]

Then why don't you take the drugs and if they pop you, they popped you, no big deal.

Well, if you test positive you are also banned from training with clubs etc. So the whole social aspect would be lost.
At the end of the day this is a hobby of mine that I do with friends in a club, and we do events as a group for which we all train together. This is the main thing I want to protect. The chance I would actually get tested is probably less than 1% as I would end up middle of the pack somewhere.

And by the way, the above "cycle" is an idea. My test is prescription because I have steroid induced hypogonadism. ( I competed in non drug tested bb competitions and was pretty much on geat for a decade, and came to the endurance game late) Been on trt for the last 3yrs. So while I admit I could drop the mast and winny. (And I may as they have more to do with body image than anything else.) I have legitimate reasons for the testosterone. Without test my natural production is pretty dire with all known side effects.

Anyway, I appreciate your contribution and opinion. I see your point.

 

[chocolateandjuice]

Yes you are right. Even the playing field with drugs.

Lol

If I was taking away people's payday or glory I'd agree with you. But that's not the case. I'm a person who lifts and does endurance training and likes to partake in an event once or twice a year to test myself, as thousands of people do without any chance of getting medals every year.
The complication I have is that I'm on trt, and I don't want to take any chance of popping. Anyway, that's it, I'm done defending myself.
This is a steroid forum, with even a section dedicated to endurance sports. For which there are 0 untested federations.
Also in the eyes of the general public, anyone who takes steroids is "cheating" or breaking the law at best, so everyone need to chill out with the virtue signalling.

Does anyone legit think that with the above I'm going to dominate endurance sport and crush elite athletes coming from a bodybuilding background? Give me a break.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

If I was taking away people's payday or glory I'd agree with you. But that's not the case. I'm a person who lifts and does endurance training and likes to partake in an event once or twice a year to test myself, as thousands of people do without any chance of getting medals every year.
The complication I have is that I'm on trt, and I don't want to take any chance of popping. Anyway, that's it, I'm done defending myself.
This is a steroid forum, with even a section dedicated to endurance sports. For which there are 0 untested federations.
Also in the eyes of the general public, anyone who takes steroids is "cheating" or breaking the law at best, so everyone need to chill out with the virtue signalling.

Does anyone legit think that with the above I'm going to dominate endurance sport and crush elite athletes coming from a bodybuilding background? Give me a break.

Keep justifying your actions. You aren't being forced to use PEDs.

Mast and winstrol aren't even part of trt

 

[laclark89]

If I was taking away people's payday or glory I'd agree with you. But that's not the case. I'm a person who lifts and does endurance training and likes to partake in an event once or twice a year to test myself, as thousands of people do without any chance of getting medals every year.
The complication I have is that I'm on trt, and I don't want to take any chance of popping. Anyway, that's it, I'm done defending myself.
This is a steroid forum, with even a section dedicated to endurance sports. For which there are 0 untested federations.
Also in the eyes of the general public, anyone who takes steroids is "cheating" or breaking the law at best, so everyone need to chill out with the virtue signalling.

Does anyone legit think that with the above I'm going to dominate endurance sport and crush elite athletes coming from a bodybuilding background? Give me a break.

Oh no a cross fitter lol

 

[Horror Cock]

Why not quit and PCT 3 months ahead? (Or earlier)

 

[chocolateandjuice]

Keep justifying your actions. You aren't being forced to use PEDs.

Mast and winstrol aren't even part of trt

you're correct on both counts. I don't disagree with you. But let's assume for a second that I didn't mention the mast and winny.

Would your opinion be that anyone on TRT can't enter an Ironman or long-distance cycle event just because they want to do it to have a goal to train towards and have a good day out with their mates?

Do you think the anti-doping rules for people just wanting to participate should be as stringent as the ones for elite athletes? Because, there are a lot of medications that aren't allowed, not least asthma medications for which you should technically apply for a TUE (even if you participate in the age group Ironman) which almost nobody does. The list of banned medications is extensive and I would bet that a lot of age groupers are taking stuff that's banned without even knowing.
On the other hand, drugs like semaglutide are NOT on the anti-doping list and I would argue in endurance that a weight loss drug will be much more performance-enhancing than steroids and probably the asthma drugs mentioned.

Just trying to get a discussion going here. There is an argument for "rules are rules" but I think when the rules are applied to the letter, actually a lot of age groupers could find themselves unable to compete.

 

[chocolateandjuice]

Why not quit and PCT 3 months ahead? (Or earlier)

Yes I may actually go that route indeed. although I am nervous about being completely off everything for that long after 3 years on trt. Not so much from a performance point of view, as the inevitable weight loss could actually serve me well here. But from a general well-being perspective.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Would your opinion be that anyone on TRT can't enter an Ironman or long-distance cycle event just because they want to do it to have a goal to train towards and have a good day out with their mates?

My opinion is there people should be allowed to participate but not be entered for competition.

Or they allow a different class(which who knows may happen years from now)

 

[chocolateandjuice]

My opinion is there people should be allowed to participate but not be entered for competition.

Or they allow a different class(which who knows may happen years from now)

Ok, so we agree on that.
With the current system though, what would you do in my shoes?
Let me paint the picture here:

You're an individual who is on trt, and pretty much as a lifestyle has been using steroids here and there.
You find yourself falling in love with a certain sport, let's call it triathlon for argument's sake.
You want to take part in an Ironman event.
Your primary goal is to finish, your secondary goal is to finish within a certain amount of time (something that puts you in the "above average bracket"), let's call it 12.5 hours.

You won't be competing to win anything, these 2 goals are your goals. end off.
What would you do?
Would you:

a) not do it all because you're not a clean athlete and never will be.

b) reduce your dose to the therapeutic minimum required and roll the dice.
(the chances of getting caught are very small, but very real nonetheless).

c) Come off everything well in advance, and if this is your aproach, how long in advance would you consider this to be ok?

Narta, I would like your take on this as well.
I'm open to the idea there is a better/fairer way than what I had in mind.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Ok, so we agree on that.
With the current system though, what would you do in my shoes?
Let me paint the picture here:

You're an individual who is on trt, and pretty much as a lifestyle has been using steroids here and there.
You find yourself falling in love with a certain sport, let's call it triathlon for argument's sake.
You want to take part in an Ironman event.
Your primary goal is to finish, your secondary goal is to finish within a certain amount of time (something that puts you in the "above average bracket"), let's call it 12.5 hours.

You won't be competing to win anything, these 2 goals are your goals. end off.
What would you do?
Would you:

a) not do it all because you're not a clean athlete and never will be.

b) reduce your dose to the therapeutic minimum required and roll the dice.
(the chances of getting caught are very small, but very real nonetheless).

c) Come off everything well in advance, and if this is your aproach, how long in advance would you consider this to be ok?

Narta, I would like your take on this as well.
I'm open to the idea there is a better/fairer way than what I had in mind.

I would make sure you don't even place anything that would require testing.

Run the compounds you wanna run. You may have paid to participate but you aren't competing

 

[narta]

Narta, I would like your take on this as well.
I'm open to the idea there is a better/fairer way than what I had in mind

My opinion is set, you can't have your cake and eat it too. It is what it is.

I am all for federations that are clearly not tested and allow drug usage. If there is non, and one is hellbend on participating, I 'd go with "fuck it, let's load up and if I get caught, well.... shit".

Being on drugs, in order to place higher among peers, even if one will not be on the podium, but in the meantime "save face" and be better than his buddy, is and will always be, immoral and I, would not want to be friends with such a person. I personally don't give a flying fuck if a buddy lifts more or less than me, the people in my group vary alot but we still push it's other on his limits.

If your image is that important, then if I was you I would take a really deep DEEP look at my priorities and what really matters in life.

 

[chocolateandjuice]

My opinion is set, you can't have your cake and eat it too. It is what it is.

I am all for federations that are clearly not tested and allow drug usage. If there is non, and one is hellbend on participating, I 'd go with "fuck it, let's load up and if I get caught, well.... shit".

Being on drugs, in order to place higher among peers, even if one will not be on the podium, but in the meantime "save face" and be better than his buddy, is and will always be, immoral and I, would not want to be friends with such a person. I personally don't give a flying fuck if a buddy lifts more or less than me, the people in my group vary alot but we still push it's other on his limits.

If your image is that important, then if I was you I would take a really deep DEEP look at my priorities and what really matters in life.

I think you are misinterpreting a few things.
I am not taking TRT/roids to improve my performance in this sport.
TRT is at this stage, a requirement for quality of life.
Mast is for estrogen management, because i feel better on it than AI's, but I could drop it, Winny is optional as well, The idea behind that is more that I enjoy retaining somewhat of a lean "bodybuilder" look so it's a lifestyle drug. Not a must but I'm sure that if you've been super jacked before yourself you can relate. But it has nothing to do with wanting to crush my mates.

In terms of performance, I wasn't lying or exaggerating that I became slower, except in my sprint, but that's irrelevant to the types of events I want to enter. My vo2max got worse, my ftp went up slightly but so did my weight so my power to weight got worse. So the performance benefit is... not really what a lot of people think it is.

That said, you make valid points, making me consider trying to get off TRT and everything else altogether.

 

[narta]

You can always come off everything, participate and then get on TRT again. Sure you will not be as competitive as with TRT, but since your goal is the participation and not placement, then it shouldn't matter.