Injected bad gear?

[FH93]

So I'm a fucking idiot and decided to inject 2 year old gear cause it'd been stored well, cool dark place and in a brown vial, but now the pin site has swollen up 4 hours later. I routinely inject in the same pin sites with other gear with no issues, so I'm sure it's just cause it's gone bad.

What should I do going forward to minimise issues from this? I'm gonna draw some and see what it smells like when I get a chance, but assuming it was actually bad, what should I do next? Just try to manage the swelling? Or is there anything more serious I need to watch out for.

 

[Xplicit]

Ive injected gear well over 2 years old as have many others.

Are you sure theres not something else causing this? Go through a vein? Nick a nerve? Is the gear itself pippy or high concentration?

Advil, ice/heat and just keep an eye on it for now but in my opinion, you are atleast 1 to 2 days away from anything to worry about (at that time check for hot to the touch or if.you develop a fever). I drop 5ml injects at a time, I get *swollen* golfballs every few weeks. It passes in a few days without issue.

 

[FH93]

Ive injected gear well over 2 years old as have many others.

Are you sure theres not something else causing this? Go through a vein? Nick a nerve? Is the gear itself pippy or high concentration?

Advil, ice/heat and just keep an eye on it for now but in my opinion, you are atleast 1 to 2 days away from anything to worry about (at that time check for hot to the touch or if.you develop a fever). I drop 5ml injects at a time, I get *swollen* golfballs every few weeks. It passes in a few days without issue.

It's 250mg/ml Test E that I used a year ago fine. I inject Ventro Glute cause of the lack of risk there and have injected predominantly there for 6 years with never a single issue. Never get PIP from any gear besides the first time I started. Plus it was only 0.8ml I injected, whereas I inject 1.5ml Test U 300mg/ml every 14 days in the same sites, no issues, and there was no pain while injecting and the tiniest amount of blood after which is common enough. Hence my belief it's just gone bad.

But I'll get on that Advil + ice/heat and see how I go, thank you

 

[HeatherSwanson]

So I'm a fucking idiot and decided to inject 2 year old gear cause it'd been stored well, cool dark place and in a brown vial, but now the pin site has swollen up 4 hours later. I routinely inject in the same pin sites with other gear with no issues, so I'm sure it's just cause it's gone bad.

What should I do going forward to minimise issues from this? I'm gonna draw some and see what it smells like when I get a chance, but assuming it was actually bad, what should I do next? Just try to manage the swelling? Or is there anything more serious I need to watch out for.

Did you wiggle the pin around at all? I've had that a few times never had infection though, it always calmed down after a day or so and is always from moving around to much or pressing to fast. One time I somehow got between the muscles in my quad and there was a red welt that migrated down my leg... Was uncomfortable for a few days.

If you have a microscope, you could take a drop and put it on a slide to see if there's anything moving around. I did that once with bacteriostatic water that was giving me redness at the injection site. I got the microscope for my little guy and there was indeed some microbial life. Though this was done in a kitchen without gloves on haha

Best bet as brother man above said, get some acetominiophine, hot and cold compress and ride it out. If you get flu symptoms get to a GP for antibiotics.

 

[FH93]

Did you wiggle the pin around at all? I've had that a few times never had infection though, it always calmed down after a day or so and is always from moving around to much or pressing to fast. One time I somehow got between the muscles in my quad and there was a red welt that migrated down my leg... Was uncomfortable for a few days.

Nah, I injected same way as every time and the process was like every other. The only difference was that this was from a 2 year old batch of gear, everything else was the same, and I used the same batch of gear up to just over a year ago with no issues.

Think I may be getting a little feverish but that could me just being paranoid now. Either way I've taken an ibuprofen and when I'm home I'll jump in a hot bath after seeing if I can check the gear.

 

[JC Grifter]

It has absolutely nothing to do with it being two years old. It’s not milk. Doesn’t spoil. Myself and other have used gear upwards of 10 years old with no issues. Sounds like user error

 

[lukiss96]

I have used Equipoise that expired in 2016. I didn't experience any pip at all. So I second what others said about it not expiring that fast.

 

[FH93]

It has absolutely nothing to do with it being two years old. It’s not milk. Doesn’t spoil. Myself and other have used gear upwards of 10 years old with no issues. Sounds like user error

I still feel like it's got to be something other than user error, purely for the fact I injected in the same place I always do, with less than I normally do, and I must have pinned over 1000 times by now, and I have never once had swelling before, and it just so happened to be the one time I use a vial that's 2 years old.

If that is the case then it is a massive coincidence, especially as there wasn't even any pain or discomfort when pinning, plus it was smooth as normal.

I'm not saying it's definitely not user error, just that it seems far too unlikely in my opinion to be that.

* of course having said that, I may well have had swelling before but ignored it cause there was no reason to believe the gear was bad but now that I had swelling and the gear is old I'm attributing it to that

But the only way to know for sure is to pin it again and see what happens. I'm gonna draw some and see if it smells bad at all first, and then decide whether to do it or not or just to buy new gear.

 

[Juicedhead]

I have used Equipoise that expired in 2016. I didn't experience any pip at all. So I second what others said about it not expiring that fast.

yeah but eq is a luquid at room tempature so its really easy to make into an injectable hence why you see it at 500mg/ml without any pip. I actually think that old gear can cause pip. So I have a bunch of test cyp that I was using a couple years ago with no PIP. Cracked open a fresh vial from that same batch a few weeks ago and Its giving some PIP. Its nothing crazy bad but its noticeable for sure. It might matter what its suspended in but I think there is something to this. Also, tried using some other gear thats a couple years old from batches Ive used already back then and the shit hurt like hell going in when it didnt last time. Same with some TNE I had. All seems to be hurting now causing PIP like a bitch now.

 

[JC Grifter]

I still feel like it's got to be something other than user error, purely for the fact I injected in the same place I always do, with less than I normally do, and I must have pinned over 1000 times by now, and I have never once had swelling before, and it just so happened to be the one time I use a vial that's 2 years old.

If that is the case then it is a massive coincidence, especially as there wasn't even any pain or discomfort when pinning, plus it was smooth as normal.

I'm not saying it's definitely not user error, just that it seems far too unlikely in my opinion to be that.

* of course having said that, I may well have had swelling before but ignored it cause there was no reason to believe the gear was bad but now that I had swelling and the gear is old I'm attributing it to that

But the only way to know for sure is to pin it again and see what happens. I'm gonna draw some and see if it smells bad at all first, and then decide whether to do it or not or just to buy new gear.

It’s possible something else is wrong with that vial of gear like too much solvent, but I 100% guarantee it’s not because it’s two years old. The expiration date on medication is complete bullshit. There’s been studies on it. At most is loses some potency.

I never got PIP until one day I did and even had some redness near the site. It happens.

If you’re that concerned then trash it and order something new

 

[Sector]

I agree with what @Xplicit said. I wouldn't worry too much about it right now. Apply a heating pad to it, and/or a massage gun (or just massage the area) and it should hopefully work itself out.

If it continues for multiple days and starts getting hot and red, then I'd worry. Again, just echoing what was already stated.

The fact it's test in a brown vial is sketchy though. I would never pin brown vial gear, unless it was pharma, but even then, I don't know many credible UGL sources that brew tests in brown vials so that's a red flag.

There's also the possibility that you maybe didn't go as deep with the injection as you thought you did, maybe some of it leaked out into the sub-q tissue which could cause pain and inflammation.

Just give it a few days. I wouldn't sweat it over 4 hours

 

[DECLAN]

If you pin a thousand times there is a chance you will have that odd painful injection caused by myriad of factors. It could be you nicked a vein, the angle of the needle or scar tissue buildup and so forth.

Like others said the age of the gear might not be the cause or it might be too, who knows. If you are willing to experiment further, pin the same compound in another spot and observe if you get the same reaction.

However, gear is too cheap nowadays that chucking a vial is nothing.

 

[FH93]

I agree with what @Xplicit said. I wouldn't worry too much about it right now. Apply a heating pad to it, and/or a massage gun (or just massage the area) and it should hopefully work itself out.

If it continues for multiple days and starts getting hot and red, then I'd worry. Again, just echoing what was already stated.

The fact it's test in a brown vial is sketchy though. I would never pin brown vial gear, unless it was pharma, but even then, I don't know many credible UGL sources that brew tests in brown vials so that's a red flag.

There's also the possibility that you maybe didn't go as deep with the injection as you thought you did, maybe some of it leaked out into the sub-q tissue which could cause pain and inflammation.

Just give it a few days. I wouldn't sweat it over 4 hours

Yeah, to be honest it wouldn't surprise me if I've had swelling before and just paid no attention to it cause there wasn't a reason to think there was any serious cause. It already feels like it's gone down somewhat and feels less sore too (unless that's purely the one 200mg ibuprofen I took)

If it turns out to be the case that the same issue happens every time I pin (assuming the swelling does completely die off soon with no aftereffects), would you recommend just getting a new batch or continuing with it as there's no other issues?

I brewed it myself, I forgot to mention. I've done it many times now but I generally run through all my own kit before I'd even think it'd gone bad. I used a brown vial to further minimize possibility of light exposure to it, and I've always been properly sterile while brewing with the right kit too.

Obviously 'user error' could have come into play in the brewing process, but I'm feeling like I'm just making a big fuss over nothing now.

 

[RomanMVP]

I have used Equipoise that expired in 2016. I didn't experience any pip at all. So I second what others said about it not expiring that fast.

Yes, absolutely. My guess is the gear is fine.

 

[laclark89]

It's 250mg/ml Test E that I used a year ago fine. I inject Ventro Glute cause of the lack of risk there and have injected predominantly there for 6 years with never a single issue. Never get PIP from any gear besides the first time I started. Plus it was only 0.8ml I injected, whereas I inject 1.5ml Test U 300mg/ml every 14 days in the same sites, no issues, and there was no pain while injecting and the tiniest amount of blood after which is common enough. Hence my belief it's just gone bad.

But I'll get on that Advil + ice/heat and see how I go, thank you

First of all why would you predominantly pinn the the exact spot for 6 years straight?

I'm surprised that spot is still taking oil, or dosent sound like pop rocks or rice crispies going in.

U must deep tissue massage it every day? lol

If it's not hot to the touch an u dont have a fever or if it dosent last over a week, I wouldent worry about it.

 

[FH93]

First of all why would you predominantly pinn the the exact spot for 6 years straight?

I'm surprised that spot is still taking oil, or dosent sound like pop rocks or rice crispies going in.

U must deep tissue massage it every day? lol

If it's not hot to the touch an u dont have a fever or if it dosent last over a week, I wouldent worry about it.

No, I mean I've pinned VG only, not specifically like only VG right side. Plus I never pinned more than 2x a week besides on the odd occasion, and on those times I did pin glutes.

 

[FH93]

I pinned again with the same stuff, and it swelled up again. Not as much as the last times but still painful and swollen.

I'll just have to trash it. I pinned 1.5ml of Test U on Sunday perfectly fine as normally but after pinning 0.8ml.of this again it swelled up again and gave me a slight fever.

 

[HeatherSwanson]

I pinned again with the same stuff, and it swelled up again. Not as much as the last times but still painful and swollen.

I'll just have to trash it. I pinned 1.5ml of Test U on Sunday perfectly fine as normally but after pinning 0.8ml.of this again it swelled up again and gave me a slight fever.

Was wondering how you were going. Trash it for sure... When in doubt discard. Is less than $100 worth you're health and potential injury? Nah

 

[FH93]

Was wondering how you were going. Trash it for sure... When in doubt discard. Is less than $100 worth you're health and potential injury? Nah

Exactly. I was gonna try some of the other vials but tbh I'd rather just buy new shit anyway cause even if I have absolutely no ill effects besides swelling and soreness I'd still rather get new shit if it means I don't have to deal with that, at that price

 

[Whopperflopper]

Ive injected gear well over 2 years old as have many others.

Are you sure theres not something else causing this? Go through a vein? Nick a nerve? Is the gear itself pippy or high concentration?

Advil, ice/heat and just keep an eye on it for now but in my opinion, you are atleast 1 to 2 days away from anything to worry about (at that time check for hot to the touch or if.you develop a fever). I drop 5ml injects at a time, I get *swollen* golfballs every few weeks. It passes in a few days without issue.

+1 on the golf balls, girl once said something about growing horns, I just said the devil is always up my ass