Permanent insomnia - Need help

[xrayphoton13]

Magnesium Glilycite at night is wrong (mornings)
you want Magnesium bicyinate for night
Also L theanine, Zinc and Valarien root capsules

Thanks me after using this, also hgh at night low dose helps. Turn all gadgets off 2 hrs before bed including TV.
Get a blue light

"Magnesium Bisglycinate is the scientifically accurate name for the supplement, while Magnesium Glycinate is the name supplement manufacturers often use on consumer-facing labels."

So it's the same thing from everything I've looked up. Just a different name. And It makes me sleepy so it works for me.

I take magnesium malate in the AM to help with bp and performance before gym. When I tried magnesium glycinate it would make me tired in the AM

I do take rHGH at night just not last night due to some water retention

 

[Ryandes]

Plenty of people that are not use to peds.
Fyi

Sorry not being a dick to you, just honest

How do you know that they aren't on ped's? It works great for me even on high amounts of peds or low amounts.

 

[dontletheoldmanin]

How do you know that they aren't on ped's? It works great for me even on high amounts of peds or low amounts.

My experience Melatonin doesn't work.
I use a host of peds, meds at times and Melatonin never does anything for me but make me sweat.

 

[marsupial]

Not sure if mentioned yet but if you’ve exhausted all legal means, I’d try augmenting with DHT (ie primo or mast) before benzos or z-drugs lmao. Sadly there’s a chance they could worsen sleep even more, but also a chance the feel-good affect from the DHT derivs could also help you sleep better

Honestly sleep hygiene becomes way more important when you take exogenous hormones, because gear itself worsens sleep. If you’re more disciplined with sleep and turning screens off at night than the average person, you can make it work

Edit: never mind you’ve tried meds. Leaves only one option I guess

 

[mikeh1998]

Edit: never mind you’ve tried meds. Leaves only one option I guess

Hara kiri?

 

[AlexDavis43]

CBT-i has the most support for long-term sleep improvement.

It's the least cool among people who like taking drugs for everything, but it's worth looking into. Good life skill to get in the habit of. Sleep hygiene etc

 

[Kylesmith1985]

Belsomra.
Its pricey if insurance doesn't cover it though.

 

[mikeh1998]

CBT-i has the most support for long-term sleep improvement.

It's the least cool among people who like taking drugs for everything, but it's worth looking into. Good life skill to get in the habit of. Sleep hygiene etc

I am, legitimately, too fucking incompetent to follow basic instructions like sleep hygiene or CBT-I.

Fuck it, it’s time to admit it. I just really do suck that bad. FML dawg I’m completely cooked + can’t lock in.

 

[dontletheoldmanin]

I am, legitimately, too fucking incompetent to follow basic instructions like sleep hygiene or CBT-I.

Fuck it, it’s time to admit it. I just really do suck that bad. FML dawg I’m completely cooked + can’t lock in.

You'll have to learn away for you. If your not resting properly you won't grow to your full potential

 

[mikeh1998]

You'll have to learn away for you. If your not resting properly you won't grow to your full potential

The gains have been so mediocre man I can't lie. I'm getting totally carried by the drugs (Testosterone). I seriously could be 2x as strong and big as I am now.

What hurts even more is that I know how mentally fucked up I am too because of it. I even got LASIK so I can see my eye bags in full 4K HD. I used to think people were exaggerating when they told me I looked sleep deprived or tired. I look like a fucking meth head man. Like if I was an officer I'd pull myself over for DUI and force a breathalyzer test cause I just look completely cooked.

I don't know how the hell I have been in denial over this shit for like 10 years. In hindsight I have so many memories of coworkers saying shit like "you look tired" or getting annoyed at me for dozing off during 1 on 1 conversations where I am truly giving it my all to stay focused and maintain eye contact.

Let's see if it gets better though (cooooope). My sleep data is legit average 24 hours over the course of a week on average since November. Around 3-4 hours per night. Real.

 

[AlexDavis43]

The gains have been so mediocre man I can't lie. I'm getting totally carried by the drugs (Testosterone). I seriously could be 2x as strong and big as I am now.

What hurts even more is that I know how mentally fucked up I am too because of it. I even got LASIK so I can see my eye bags in full 4K HD. I used to think people were exaggerating when they told me I looked sleep deprived or tired. I look like a fucking meth head man. Like if I was an officer I'd pull myself over for DUI and force a breathalyzer test cause I just look completely cooked.

I don't know how the hell I have been in denial over this shit for like 10 years. In hindsight I have so many memories of coworkers saying shit like "you look tired" or getting annoyed at me for dozing off during 1 on 1 conversations where I am truly giving it my all to stay focused and maintain eye contact.

Let's see if it gets better though (cooooope). My sleep data is legit average 24 hours over the course of a week on average since November. Around 3-4 hours per night. Real.

Ya gotta sleep man. For much more than just bodybuilding gainz. Please consider looking into CBT-i. It's not complicated.

Light hygiene (blue blockers at night), establish a routine, find mindless tasks to do in the evening (eg, folding laundry, putting away clean dishes, etc.), etc.

If you have a wife or girlfriend, sex at night in your bed can also be helpful. Your bed is for sleeping and good sex, not watching TV or doom scrolling on your phone.

Maybe that's a little preachy, but I put a high value on sleep quality.

 

[Musmadar]

I learned that our bodies need that core temperature drop to trigger sleep. A cooler room mimics nature—think sleeping in a cave, not a tropical island. I also realized my old habit of piling on blankets was trapping heat, making me sweat even in winter. Now, I layer lighter blankets and let the cool air do its thing.

Lowered the Thermostat: I set it to 66°F (19°C)...chilly, but not Arctic.

Swapped Bedding: Out with flannel sheets, in with breathable bamboo (life-changing!).

Pre-Bed Ritual: A walk outsider in winter time for about 1 hour followed by a warm shower 90 minutes before bed ...sounds backward, but it works!

The temperature is wery important for sleep quality we don't have to be scared of low temperature.

 

[expylon]

I have the craziest deep sleep on mk677 with a normal dose

 

[madfkndogmax]

I’ve been on TRT for about a year now (trying to fix insomnia, triggered from NPP) and have been experimenting with different protocols—various esters, dosages (ranging from 50mg to 250mg), with and without HCG/HMG, and injection frequencies (daily, every two, or three days). I’ve also kept a close eye on controlling estradiol, E2, prolactin, cortisol, DHEA, pregnenolone and progesterone levels. Despite all that, I’ve been facing a major issue:

I wake up after 4-5 hours of sleep every single night (I have zero issue to fall asleep) and can’t go back to sleep. This has been going on for months, and I’m beyond exhausted—both physically and mentally. It feels like I haven’t had a proper night’s rest in ages.

I’ve tried everything, from medications like Mirtazapine, Trazodone, Benzos, and a bunch of others, to a ton of supplements: ZMA, L-Theanine, Melatonin, GABA, Glycine, Black Pepper, Ashwagandha, and more that I can’t even remember at this point.

I’ve ruled out sleep apnea through a test, so that’s not it. I’m feeling completely worn out, and I’m honestly at a loss as to what to do next.

Has anyone else had a similar experience with TRT-related sleep issues? How did you manage it? Any advice or personal experiences would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

I have sleep issues that I suspect stem from TRT.
My solution is podcasts. Works like a dream for me and I tried and failed a lot of remedies.

The trick is to find a subject that you find interesting with a narrator that has a bit of a monotone - I even slow it down to 0.8 and set a 30 minute timer.

It might sound lame but give it a go. Here are a couple of my favourite podcasters on Spotify:


View: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0CKi6JHPFZJxYORzpEftOY?si=c82d5359885f47d2



View: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0czJt3RPyIAYCAgJbVwb3W?si=d0c26604de934913


Best of luck to you.

 

[AlexDavis43]

I learned that our bodies need that core temperature drop to trigger sleep. A cooler room mimics nature—think sleeping in a cave, not a tropical island. I also realized my old habit of piling on blankets was trapping heat, making me sweat even in winter. Now, I layer lighter blankets and let the cool air do its thing.

Lowered the Thermostat: I set it to 66°F (19°C)...chilly, but not Arctic.

Swapped Bedding: Out with flannel sheets, in with breathable bamboo (life-changing!).

Pre-Bed Ritual: A walk outsider in winter time for about 1 hour followed by a warm shower 90 minutes before bed ...sounds backward, but it works!

The temperature is wery important for sleep quality we don't have to be scared of low temperature.

For circadian rhythms, ambient temperature cooling in the evening, not absolute temperature. Like, turn down the thermostat a few degrees before bed.

In the above example, if daytime ambient temp is ~70F, turn it down to 66F at bedtime.

It seems like woo woo paleo broscience. Might be. Research in this field is in it's infancy.

 

[Ghoul]

Found myself sleeping better lately. More restfully, feeling better during the day. More energetic but more chill at the same time. Thought it was due to better sleep.

Reviewing what changed in my regimen that might explain this, the only thing new is I started putting a heaping 1/2 teaspoon (about 2000mg, the standard dose) of Bulk Supplements Taurine powder into my coffee in the morning. Dissolves instantly.

Obviously it's a "feels" report, but because I had I already been using 1000mg in capsules I really wasn't looking for anything from this change brand/method of administration/even dose increase.

Perhaps it may be a useful tool in your arsenals for better sleep (and general well being) as it seems to be working unexpectedly well for me. It's not often I "feel" something from a supplement. But then, I guess Red Bull doesn't put it in their drinks for nothing.

FYI: 1kg, 500 x 2000mg servings was $18 delivered after $5 coupon at Amazon for Bulk Supplements Taurine Powder.

If I wasn't a believer in Taurine before, I sure am now,

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[songsofpyramids]

Ya gotta sleep man. For much more than just bodybuilding gainz. Please consider looking into CBT-i. It's not complicated.

Light hygiene (blue blockers at night), establish a routine, find mindless tasks to do in the evening (eg, folding laundry, putting away clean dishes, etc.), etc.

If you have a wife or girlfriend, sex at night in your bed can also be helpful. Your bed is for sleeping and good sex, not watching TV or doom scrolling on your phone.

Maybe that's a little preachy, but I put a high value on sleep quality.

This the most solid advice in the thread.

 

[Country Club Hero]

I learned that our bodies need that core temperature drop to trigger sleep. A cooler room mimics nature—think sleeping in a cave, not a tropical island. I also realized my old habit of piling on blankets was trapping heat, making me sweat even in winter. Now, I layer lighter blankets and let the cool air do its thing.

Lowered the Thermostat: I set it to 66°F (19°C)...chilly, but not Arctic.

Swapped Bedding: Out with flannel sheets, in with breathable bamboo (life-changing!).

Pre-Bed Ritual: A walk outsider in winter time for about 1 hour followed by a warm shower 90 minutes before bed ...sounds backward, but it works!

The temperature is wery important for sleep quality we don't have to be scared of low temperature.

Sounds magical and so mature. I have dreams of grandeur regarding how I’m finally going to do all those things and be a responsible adult with regards to sleep.

I end up doing all the very worst things and end up dozing off on the couch and never even getting to a deep sleep for several days in a row.

I need to quit playing and settle down with a quality gal and get on her sleep schedule. I keep fucking that up though. I blame the hormones and the benzos. It’s a terrible combination for making any real improvements. Great at masking things though.

 

[Musmadar]

Sounds magical and so mature. I have dreams of grandeur regarding how I’m finally going to do all those things and be a responsible adult with regards to sleep.

I end up doing all the very worst things and end up dozing off on the couch and never even getting to a deep sleep for several days in a row.

I need to quit playing and settle down with a quality gal and get on her sleep schedule. I keep fucking that up though. I blame the hormones and the benzos. It’s a terrible combination for making any real improvements. Great at masking things though.

I hear you bro'. I struggled with poor sleep for over a year, to the point where it led to a depression diagnosis. It took me two years of treatment to really understand just how crucial sleep is—not just for energy, but for everything: mood, hormones, recovery, even decision-making.

It’s crazy how easy it is to fall into that cycle of bad habits, thinking you’re just getting by, but really, it’s wrecking you. I had to relearn how to prioritize sleep, and now I’m in the position of coaching my wife through the same struggle I went through years ago. She managed to get off benzos with a doctor’s help, which was a huge step, but rebuilding natural, quality sleep takes time and consistency.

If I could go back, I’d tell myself to stop underestimating the impact of sleep and take the process seriously. Sounds like you’re aware of the problem, which is already half the battle. The right habits (and the right person to share them with) can make all the difference.

 

[Ghoul]

Bad sleep will completely screw up your mental health, affecting everything else.

I find the term "Sleep Hygiene" helps keep me in the right frame of mind and prioritize quality rest.

Need to keep your body clean with the proper routine.

Need to keep your rest clean, with a proper routine.