mr.redpill
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I find this unacceptable, frankly. Please let me know what ethnicity you are, I'd like to call you a slur.
MESO-Rx
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iorigins91
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I’m looking for some guidance on my current TRT protocol. I’m taking 75 mg of testosterone cypionate twice a week (Monday and Thursday), and the lab values below are from my trough levels before the Monday injection.
For the first three to four weeks at a total of 150 mg/week, I felt incredible—my libido, energy, strength, and motivation all surged. However, around the five-week mark, I started regressing to how I felt prior to starting TRT. Two months in, I had labs done and noticed my estradiol (E2) had jumped to 68 pg/mL. I also began experiencing symptoms like nipple sensitivity, snoring, reduced energy, lower libido, weaker erections, heart palpitations, bloating, and anxiety.
After doing some research, I see a few ways to address elevated E2: reducing my testosterone dosage, using an aromatase inhibitor (AI), losing weight, increasing cardio, or adding something like primobolan. My immediate concern is bringing my E2 immediately down because I’m feeling pretty uncomfortable at my current levels. I feel like shit.
I’m hesitant to lower my testosterone dose, as my trough levels seem to fall within normal limits. Plus, based on the ratios, I don’t believe a modest dose reduction would significantly decrease my E2. Before starting TRT, my E2 was at 20 pg/mL with a total testosterone of 344 ng/dL, so I suspect that if I reduce my dose too much, I might undermine the benefits of TRT.
What do you recommend?
What would be the best approach? First of all I want to immediately drop the E2 down because I am not a happy camper currentIy at my level. I also don’t know if I want to reduce my testosterone dose since my trough is within very normal limits and I believe when I calculate ratios if I drop it, I won’t drop my E2 too much, reason I say this is because before TRT my E2 was 20pg/ml with 344 total testoerone because my E2 will still be on the higher side just not as high.
What do you guys recommend? If I choose ai, what is the recommended dose? 0.125mg? How often? Twice a week on my injection days?
Would love some advice. Or should I try primo with a 3:1/2: 1ratio of test to primo.
Age: Mid 30s
Height: 6’0
Weight: 200 lbs
Body fat: 20-25% give or take
Also, posting lab results for credit.
For the first three to four weeks at a total of 150 mg/week, I felt incredible—my libido, energy, strength, and motivation all surged. However, around the five-week mark, I started regressing to how I felt prior to starting TRT. Two months in, I had labs done and noticed my estradiol (E2) had jumped to 68 pg/mL. I also began experiencing symptoms like nipple sensitivity, snoring, reduced energy, lower libido, weaker erections, heart palpitations, bloating, and anxiety.
After doing some research, I see a few ways to address elevated E2: reducing my testosterone dosage, using an aromatase inhibitor (AI), losing weight, increasing cardio, or adding something like primobolan. My immediate concern is bringing my E2 immediately down because I’m feeling pretty uncomfortable at my current levels. I feel like shit.
I’m hesitant to lower my testosterone dose, as my trough levels seem to fall within normal limits. Plus, based on the ratios, I don’t believe a modest dose reduction would significantly decrease my E2. Before starting TRT, my E2 was at 20 pg/mL with a total testosterone of 344 ng/dL, so I suspect that if I reduce my dose too much, I might undermine the benefits of TRT.
What do you recommend?
- If I opt for an AI, what dosage would you suggest? Perhaps 0.125 mg?
- How often should I take it—on injection days, twice a week?
What would be the best approach? First of all I want to immediately drop the E2 down because I am not a happy camper currentIy at my level. I also don’t know if I want to reduce my testosterone dose since my trough is within very normal limits and I believe when I calculate ratios if I drop it, I won’t drop my E2 too much, reason I say this is because before TRT my E2 was 20pg/ml with 344 total testoerone because my E2 will still be on the higher side just not as high.
What do you guys recommend? If I choose ai, what is the recommended dose? 0.125mg? How often? Twice a week on my injection days?
Would love some advice. Or should I try primo with a 3:1/2: 1ratio of test to primo.
Age: Mid 30s
Height: 6’0
Weight: 200 lbs
Body fat: 20-25% give or take
Also, posting lab results for credit.
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BamaCrazy
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I’m curious why you posted this on a source thread. Are you using Axle’s products for your TRT?
Dmiran84
Member
At such a low dose you could do 2:1 ratio with some masteron E. You could do primo but it's more expensive and for some there estro drops too much. If your not really looking for gains just go mast. Just speaking on my own experience..goodluck
iorigins91
New Member
Yes, I am.
iorigins91
New Member
Thanks, I’ll look into this as well.
BamaCrazy
Banned
What AI do you have on hand? Arimidex or Aromasin? Going the Primo E or Mast E route might work, but even if it does it’s not going to work quickly. An AI would be the quicker method and dose is dependent on which AI you have.
iorigins91
New Member
I have Anastrozole 1mg x 30 tabs. I’m just wondering how difficult it would be to cut it to 0.125mg. Or could I get away with 0.25mg? Would it best to use it during insect or the day after? From what I understand it’s half life is 48 hours. I see some users use it during and some after.
I just need it to quickly address this E2 spike temporarily at least for now before trying other methods.
BamaCrazy
Banned
If you are injecting twice a week just take .25 on your injection days. Arimidex starts working within 24 hours of taking your first dose. One study indicated that it could lower E2 by 70% in 24 hours. My past experience is it works fast so retest E2 if possible in a couple of weeks. Low E2 isn’t much fun either.
Another suggestion going forward is switch to 3 days a week injections. That might help keep your E2 more manageable and keep serum levels more stable.
Yeah, if he’s having estrogen issues I would just go the AI route. Yes, primo lowers e2 in a lot of people. It does nothing to mine. Something else to consider is losing body fat.
JackHoffman
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Take Exemestane/Aromasin 12.5mg when you feel symptoms. If they don’t go away take another 12.5 until it goes away. Do this for several weeks until you see what dose you typically need to eliminate symptoms and just take that dose with your shots. The estradiol should be within range at that point if not then adjust your dose a little more until it is. Also, take HCG 500-1000iu per week 250-500iu 2x per week with your shots which should be taken twice a week if it is enanthate or cypianate. Get another blood test and then see where your at. Maybe the test will be too high at this point so you could lower it if you want to stay in “the range”. Personally, I think why not just take 250mg of test per week even if you will be slightly super physiological? You will feel fine and be healthy. Though that is subjective. I think that would be better than using other roids or something else. Just stick with test. Just my two cents.
0.25mg on injection day, up to 0.5mg if needed based off bloodwork.
iorigins91
New Member
Why HCG with the testosterone? I heard HCG really raises E2 even more. I don’t plan on having anymore kids and don’t really care about testicular size. Does HCG have other benefits when added with testosterone?
And is Aromasin better than Anastrazole?
iorigins91
New Member
I’ll give this a shot for now, hopefully 0.25mg isn’t too high. I’ll follow up with bloods in a few weeks.
iorigins91
New Member
I was thinking about 3x a week injection, but I heard that’s only for fluctuations and doesn’t necessarily increase/decrease the end result of the hormone levels.
Thanks.
BamaCrazy
Banned
In some ways Aromasin is better than Arimidex. Arimidex can impact your lipids whereas Aromasin does not. Aromasin doesn’t just suppress E2, it prevents the formation of E2. It’s a suicide inhibitor. It can take a little longer to start working. Usually around a week. And crashing your E2 is more of a risk. Both will get the job done though.
In my higher BF % days the clinics I used back then only prescribed Arimidex so it was a regular part of my protocol for years. As already noted losing weight and abdominal fat will help. After losing 45 pounds and getting my BF% around 15% I no longer have high E2 issues.
Dmiran84
Member
Yeah fuck AI's but in the jam I go aromasin always, quick work
Ateam2023
Member
What symptoms of high e2 are you experiencing?? I have no problems splitting a 1 mg adex pill in half , then you could simply split the half and you'll have a good .25 ish mg , i would personally take "at least .25 mg" 3x a week for stable e2 level drop, then reassess,, ymmv,
iorigins91
New Member
Heart palpitations, I began snoring extremely loud (I rarely snore, partner noticed), anxious, libido was not there anymore and I wasn’t as hard, the oompf I had was gone, I felt anxious and a little emotional, and eventually I noticed nipple sensitivity like with shirts pressing against them.
I took 0.25mg anastrozole with my usual injection and about feel about 80% better now after 4ish hours. No nipple sensitivity anymore either and heart isn’t palpitating.
How would I take it 3x a week? I inject twice a week. Monday and Thursday, if so when should I take it again? Or should I switch to 3x a feel with 0.125mg anastrazole.
Someone was telling me to increase testosterone from 150mg to 200mg if I am now taking an Ai in the meantime and to build and burn as much fat on it as I can and then reduce testosterone get rid of Ai. Is this good advice? My goal is just TRT.
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Ateam2023
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well taking the adex 3x a week will offer a more stable dose of medication as you have to take the "half life" of adex into consideration for a steady weekly dose, without the dips and fluctuations,, i personally take my adex m-w-f with my injection days m&thurs,,
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