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[Grey Spartan]

Why HCG with the testosterone? I heard HCG really raises E2 even more. I don’t plan on having anymore kids and don’t really care about testicular size. Does HCG have other benefits when added with testosterone?

And is Aromasin better than Anastrazole?

If you don't plan on having kids, care about testicular size, or care about semen volume (better feeling orgasms) than HCG should be used as a tool to raise E2. Example; Primo or Equipoise crashes or lowers your E2 and you want to uncrash your E2 or run either compound in high doses. Higher E2 also aids in GH raising IGF-1.

 

[Yeabuddyron]

We had similar stats for the last several years I’ve been on trt. I tried more shots per week to no avail. I then started taking .5mg of adex same day as shot and that worked for the most part for years but every so often I’d either get to high or too low. Wasn’t really a big deal to me because I like to get bloods done several times a year and I would just add a dose for a couple weeks or skip a couple weeks whichever was needed. But I just got tired of taking ais and bp meds in general so I cut about 20 lbs and low and behold I don’t need either anymore. Aromatase is found in fatty tissue so the less you have the less you aromatize.

 

[bigMoJo]

Heart palpitations, I began snoring extremely loud (I rarely snore, partner noticed), anxious, libido was not there anymore and I wasn’t as hard, the oompf I had was gone, I felt anxious and a little emotional, and eventually I noticed nipple sensitivity like with shirts pressing against them.


I took 0.25mg anastrozole with my usual injection and about feel about 80% better now after 4ish hours. No nipple sensitivity anymore either and heart isn’t palpitating.

How would I take it 3x a week? I inject twice a week. Monday and Thursday, if so when should I take it again? Or should I switch to 3x a feel with 0.125mg anastrazole.

Someone was telling me to increase testosterone from 150mg to 200mg if I am now taking an Ai in the meantime and to build and burn as much fat on it as I can and then reduce testosterone get rid of Ai. Is this good advice? My goal is just TRT.

Nicholas,

Really... you should start a fresh thread in the "serum blood tests" section so all these posts are under one thread for you. There's a lot of questions and info, and likely way more follow-ups... get your own thread going so we know it's you and you have question when alerts go out.

Please, keep this thread open for Axle topics. We all monitor source threads for developments... it would be helpful if the info was streamlined for that.

Hope you understand bro.

 

[iorigins91]

Thanks for all the helpful replies.

Nicholas,

Really... you should start a fresh thread in the "serum blood tests" section so all these posts are under one thread for you. There's a lot of questions and info, and likely way more follow-ups... get your own thread going so we know it's you and you have question when alerts go out.

Please, keep this thread open for Axle topics. We all monitor source threads for developments... it would be helpful if the info was streamlined for that.

Hope you understand bro.

I do understand, sorry for derailing thread everyone. Thanks for the helpful advice and comments. Appreciate it! You guys don’t have to answer on here anymore, thanks again.

 

[JackHoffman]

Why HCG with the testosterone? I heard HCG really raises E2 even more. I don’t plan on having anymore kids and don’t really care about testicular size. Does HCG have other benefits when added with testosterone?

And is Aromasin better than Anastrazole?

HCG keeps your natural production of testosterone going as well as other hormones that are overlooked that can help with well being and overall health. So you won’t need as much exogenous testosterone most likely and you will still have to take care of e2 either way.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Why HCG with the testosterone? I heard HCG really raises E2 even more. I don’t plan on having anymore kids and don’t really care about testicular size. Does HCG have other benefits when added with testosterone?

Some run hCG with TRT for mood/mental wellness. Not sure if that is secondary to the E2.

 

[DiaDuit]

I’m looking for some guidance on my current TRT protocol. I’m taking 75 mg of testosterone cypionate twice a week (Monday and Thursday), and the lab values below are from my trough levels before the Monday injection.

For the first three to four weeks at a total of 150 mg/week, I felt incredible—my libido, energy, strength, and motivation all surged. However, around the five-week mark, I started regressing to how I felt prior to starting TRT. Two months in, I had labs done and noticed my estradiol (E2) had jumped to 68 pg/mL. I also began experiencing symptoms like nipple sensitivity, snoring, reduced energy, lower libido, weaker erections, heart palpitations, bloating, and anxiety.

After doing some research, I see a few ways to address elevated E2: reducing my testosterone dosage, using an aromatase inhibitor (AI), losing weight, increasing cardio, or adding something like primobolan. My immediate concern is bringing my E2 immediately down because I’m feeling pretty uncomfortable at my current levels. I feel like shit.

I’m hesitant to lower my testosterone dose, as my trough levels seem to fall within normal limits. Plus, based on the ratios, I don’t believe a modest dose reduction would significantly decrease my E2. Before starting TRT, my E2 was at 20 pg/mL with a total testosterone of 344 ng/dL, so I suspect that if I reduce my dose too much, I might undermine the benefits of TRT.

What do you recommend?

• If I opt for an AI, what dosage would you suggest? Perhaps 0.125 mg?
• How often should I take it—on injection days, twice a week?

I’d love to hear your thoughts and experiences. My lab results are attached for reference.

What would be the best approach? First of all I want to immediately drop the E2 down because I am not a happy camper currentIy at my level. I also don’t know if I want to reduce my testosterone dose since my trough is within very normal limits and I believe when I calculate ratios if I drop it, I won’t drop my E2 too much, reason I say this is because before TRT my E2 was 20pg/ml with 344 total testoerone because my E2 will still be on the higher side just not as high.

What do you guys recommend? If I choose ai, what is the recommended dose? 0.125mg? How often? Twice a week on my injection days?

Would love some advice. Or should I try primo with a 3:1/2: 1ratio of test to primo.

Age: Mid 30s
Height: 6’0
Weight: 200 lbs
Body fat: 20-25% give or take

Also, posting lab results for credit.






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Just run 100mg primo a week and titrate up or down based on bloodwork. Much healthier than AI’s and also will make you look slightly better too.

 

[iorigins91]

I do have one last question, how concerning is this low pregnenolone levels and how should I address it? Pre TRT it was 65.

 

[BamaCrazy]

I do have one last question, how concerning is this low pregnenolone levels and how should I address it? Pre TRT it was 65. View attachment 314891

A lot of other hormones are derived from pregnenolone. It’s a precursor for progesterone, estrogen, testosterone, DHEA, and cortisol. How is your DHEA and progesterone looking? I do not think a lot of men get this lab so are likely unaware what their levels are. Plus it’s an expensive lab. I just added to tomorrow’s bloodwork just out of pure curiosity. I’d think if your other hormone levels are good I wouldn’t worry too much about it. But you can buy a supplement to try and raise it. Some symptoms of low pregnenolone are similar to low E2.

 

[youwhat?]

Just run 100mg primo a week and titrate up or down based on bloodwork. Much healthier than AI’s and also will make you look slightly better too.

Ehhhhh. Primo does jack shit to my E2. Not every body functions the same.

 

[iorigins91]

A lot of other hormones are derived from pregnenolone. It’s a precursor for progesterone, estrogen, testosterone, DHEA, and cortisol. How is your DHEA and progesterone looking? I do not think a lot of men get this lab so are likely unaware what their levels are. Plus it’s an expensive lab. I just added to tomorrow’s bloodwork just out of pure curiosity. I’d think if your other hormone levels are good I wouldn’t worry too much about it. But you can buy a supplement to try and raise it. Some symptoms of low pregnenolone are similar to low E2.

Never checked progesterone, DHEA-S is mid range. I’m going to supplement with progesterone to see if it does anything for me. Is LH mimicking by HCG enough to keep the production of pregnenolone and other up stream hormones ? I’ve read some sources that it doesn’t do anything to preg and DHEA. Again, I really don’t want to use HCG unless I really have to, just don’t like the idea of tanking other hormones. I’m fine with inferiority and testicular shrinkage. HCG appears to be amazing for some people and others can’t tolerate it at all.

 

[BamaCrazy]

Never checked progesterone, DHEA-S is mid range. I’m going to supplement with progesterone to see if it does anything for me. Is LH mimicking by HCG enough to keep the production of pregnenolone and other up stream hormones ? I’ve read some sources that it doesn’t do anything to preg and DHEA. Again, I really don’t want to use HCG unless I really have to, just don’t like the idea of tanking other hormones. I’m fine with inferiority and testicular shrinkage. HCG appears to be amazing for some people and others can’t tolerate it at all.

I’m not sure if HCG will have any impact on those hormones. I also could not find any literature that indicates that it does or does not. I’m taking HCG, DHEA and Prenenolone. I’m getting all those tested tomorrow with my other labs. I feel pretty good on HCG and I feel it has helped me sleep better. But I’m using it to increase E2 so my labs will let me know if it’s working.

 

[mannip23]

When is his break over? Ran into finiancial difficulties and got my taxes back but he is on break. I really don’t wanna use anyone else. I been ordering online since 05 pre ORD and the results with his gear is some of the best I have had.

 

[glpfun]

When is his break over? Ran into finiancial difficulties and got my taxes back but he is on break. I really don’t wanna use anyone else. I been ordering online since 05 pre ORD and the results with his gear is some of the best I have had.

Just send an order vial email and he might respond before he is “back”. There are also other wonderful and well tested domestic sellers to sample.

 

[Notcreative69]

When is his break over? Ran into finiancial difficulties and got my taxes back but he is on break. I really don’t wanna use anyone else. I been ordering online since 05 pre ORD and the results with his gear is some of the best I have had.

He said he would be back next week. 2nd week of Feb.

 

[Dmiran84]

When is his break over? Ran into finiancial difficulties and got my taxes back but he is on break. I really don’t wanna use anyone else. I been ordering online since 05 pre ORD and the results with his gear is some of the best I have had.

At this point who knows, he's been out since jan14th, you never know what someone's going through. Personally I couldn't wait, I was running low, but I hope he come back soon.

 

[Axle Labs]

We open tomorrow evening.

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[RACE_CAMSEY]

Any idea when the primotest will be back in stock as well as hcg? Any recent testing on the hcg?

 

[GetBig4Life]

Dbol is nice and feels pretty good but my health feels better with var. I’ve been wanting to try tbol tbh

Give it a try and share what you thought with us!

 

[zmurphy]

I sent 10mg Anavar off to be Jano tested and came back at 8.12mg: