Ghoul
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Time to lay back and savor the sweet nectar of the ample stock you built up, until the chaos subsides.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic
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Time to lay back and savor the sweet nectar of the ample stock you built up, until the chaos subsides.
Garganzola
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so my fellow degenerates why are we still here?
We're waiting to see what happens when we get to page 4,000. Not too far off at this point. Probably reach it by mid March.
SkeetSlambone
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Pretty much this. Finish what you started...even if nobody GAF.
Ateam2023
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because some of us have nothing better to do, ,
JY is still lurking in the shadows but not trustworthy in my opinion. Seem shady when it comes to posting test results or sharing, this is what I received when asking via telegram lol
Kralteramon
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The thing is. As long as the big manufacturers in China can't or won't resume production, QSC won't be back. I've been probing here and there through more direct channels in China to find AAS raws but apparently there are only a few very small scale manufacturers still producing hence the ridiculous pricing (about 7-10x based on price of 1kg raw). It's highly questionable if things will ever get back to the old "normal". There is an incredible opportunity for a new player to rise, but I doubt it will be a Chinese one. I hope that I'm wrong on this one.
Swolemates365
Member
We all know Q is not coming back!! But if they did, it wouldn’t be till next month minimum! Even then they still need to take care of everyone but I don’t see that happening!
Ghoul
Member
I think the declining purity is an indicator that what's being sold isn't new production from small producers, but suddenly valuable factory floor sweepings and unpopular seller's aging scraps rotting in a cardboard tub.
Kralteramon
Member
Yeah I think you're right, that will be the case most of the time. But I also have two sources outside of this forum that can get me large quantities and guarantee that it's from a "fresh" batch. They claim a few very small scale operations are still running. But hey, for all we know that's just BS and a marketing trick to get me to buy. 1kg test cyp for $2400.. sigh..
Ghoul
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I assume production runs produce a big batch that serves the market for quite a while, so even with no production, there's still enough kicking around for those willing to pay the premium for any out of production product, for quite some time to come. Maybe years.
The guys in this business will say whatever serves their interest. The surest sign of production being resumed will be a drop in prices, which implies an increase in supply,
Likely a few out there hanging on to some barrels, knowing if this drags on, they'll only increase in value.
Since Test is a legal product produced in many countries, I'd think if the price gets high enough, some will eventually "leak" out of the pharma supply chain from China or elsewhere. Who knows, we might get higher quality T as a result, though at a premium.
BP_6
Member
My prediction for what it is worth is things will slowly improve, however they are very unlikely to go back to as good as it was before. At least not for the foreseeable future.
Kralteramon
Member
Yeah that might be the case indeed. I remember reading that it is/was legal to produce AAS in China meant for export. Do you or anybody else know if anything legislation or regulation wise has changed? Causing the collapse? Current theory is that China is cracking down on suppliers of illegal stuff, I always thought AAS were exempt..
BP_6
Member
I think they are mainly cracking down on this that have to do with fentanyl and other such substances along with the US trying to extract more $ with tariffs. Unfortunately, AAS have been caught in the crossfire.
Kralteramon
Member
Sure that sounds plausible but is there any proof for this? Or just a theory?
BP_6
Member
Just a reasonable theory from what has been reported. The only people that know the 100% facts are the Chinese Government and they aren't talking too much.
Ghoul
Member
It's a theory like all of our ideas on this are, but given the light touch the US has taken on enforcing the law on steroids, it's probobly not steroids they're leaning on China for.
The problem is this, If you allow a kilo of white powder to slip through customs, you have no way to know what it is. So you either stop all illegal powders, or none. Doesn't help that many steroid suppliers dabble in the dirtier end of the drug business. And it seems these pseudo legal Chinese sellers have been money laundering for cartels as well for a 20% cut. $12 mil sitting in that account would be a lot Tirz sales, even for QSC. It does make one wonder.
I believe most of that fentanyl precursor is sent directly to MX… not saying that some doesn’t end up in the US.
Proud_papa_pump
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