Help formulating mass monster cycle

[Sicsemptyran]

Oh yeah, it has anti-androgenic effect, that's really positive for our hair, I found it to be great in addition to dutasteride. Spironolactone is a potassium-sparing diuretic as well, it reduces aldosterone.

Well, sure, it's great for hair. But at the doses you're talking about it's blocking 50-80% of the AR. So a 2g cycle just turned into a 400mg to 1g cycle. That's bananas to me. Just use another diuretic and dutasteride.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

you really just suggested a cycle that demsnds
- you don’t eat enough of the single most important electrolyte for performance
- uses MK instead of GH
- uses a massive dose of test with zero strategies in mitigating estrogen and no other anabolics
- advises a large insulin dose with ZERO knowledge of the users diet
- suggests an insane daily dosage of a diuretic that is bad as is possible for bodybuilding goals

You are not to be taken seriously.

 

[DugPrime]

He’s just giving him terrible advice. 2g test + slin to grow at 175 pounds is insanity

He asked for a "mass monster cycle", I gave a basic test/slin/gh

 

[DugPrime]

you really just suggested a cycle that demsnds
- you don’t eat enough of the single most important electrolyte for performance
- uses MK instead of GH
- uses a massive dose of test with zero strategies in mitigating estrogen and no other anabolics
- advises a large insulin dose with ZERO knowledge of the users diet
- suggests an insane daily dosage of a diuretic that is bad as is possible for bodybuilding goals

You are not to be taken seriously.

Who told him to take everything in the cycle without modifying it? Of course, insulin is based on his diet, and no, spironolactone is not bad for bodybuilding goals.

Also, you're talking about strategies to mitigate estrogen, but I was just giving an example of a cycle. I'm not his dad; he can learn all that like a grown man.

Yes, I prefer MK-677 over GH because I don't like GH—it's expensive, and I build more muscle with my CJC + MK-677 than with 10 IU of HGH a day

 

[Slowww]

Yes, I prefer MK-677 over GH because I don't like GH—it's expensive, and I build more muscle with my CJC + MK-677 than with 10 IU of HGH a day

Taking mk677 which negatively affects insulin sensitivity more seriously than gh and hiding it with lantus every day is pretty bad advice when it’s arguably a key component in muscle buildings claiming not to care about it because you use more drugs after is weird when you can just keep good insulin sensitivity and should actively avoid insulin resistance in a bulk. At 175 he should have no problem eating without lantus, and mk677 if he wants to be an open pro…

 

[SenorSuperdrol]

Is around 10lbs of contractile tissue per year a good goal to shoot for?

You’re not Nick Walker so no.

 

[Nidus]

Taking mk677 which negatively affects insulin sensitivity more seriously than gh and hiding it with lantus every day is pretty bad advice when it’s arguably a key component in muscle buildings claiming not to care about it because you use more drugs after is weird when you can just keep good insulin sensitivity and should actively avoid insulin resistance in a bulk. At 175 he should have no problem eating without lantus, and mk677 if he wants to be an open pro…

Exactly and what is the point doing an off-season when your Insulin resistance is so big that you cannot even get nutrients into muscle tissue. You are not growing then, youre just becoming obese and diabetic.

 

[brutalbuilt]

mk677 is garbage never used it and never will...

real hgh is all you need to grow

 

[youwhat?]

mk677 is garbage never used it and never will...

real hgh is all you need to grow

Yup mk677 is just a shit drug it’s awful…will never understand why someone would choose it over gh that’s so cheap and readily available

 

[DugPrime]

Exactly and what is the point doing an off-season when your Insulin resistance is so big that you cannot even get nutrients into muscle tissue. You are not growing then, youre just becoming obese and diabetic.

No, it's just that I don't want to use metformin, which reduce hypertrophy by inhibiting mTOR, so I use lantus, accept to be diabetic for two months and build even more muscle with it.

Fyi, two days after dropping MK-677, h1bac is back to normal.

 

[DugPrime]

Yup mk677 is just a shit drug it’s awful…will never understand why someone would choose it over gh that’s so cheap and readily available

" Many peoples prefer HGH over MK-677, so I'll follow them "



MK-677 is actually much stronger than you think, with it and CJC, my IGF-1 was in the 700-800s, and doesn't even cost half the price of HGH.

 

[youwhat?]

" Many peoples prefer HGH over MK-677, so I'll follow them "

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MK-677 is actually much stronger than you think, with it and CJC, my IGF-1 was in the 700-800s, and doesn't even cost half the price of HGH.

Ah yes that’s it, I do it because other people do. lol. Mk677 is an awful drug, bottom line. That doesn’t make me a sheep. It means that I prefer hgh. I mean, if we wanna do name calling we could get into that retarded cycle you lined up for this kid…

 

[Sicsemptyran]

No, it's just that I don't want to use metformin, which reduce hypertrophy by inhibiting mTOR, so I use lantus, accept to be diabetic for two months and build even more muscle with it.

I'm not a mass monster so I can't speak to mass monster cycles, but I do know a thing or two about pharmacology and I still know that:
1. Avoiding metformin because it slightly inhibits mTOR while:
2. Taking a dose of spironalactone that is given to men to turn them into women

is wild. The reason it's "good for your hair" is because it stops the effects of androgens.

 

[DugPrime]

I'm not a mass monster so I can't speak to mass monster cycles, but I do know a thing or two about pharmacology and I still know that:
1. Avoiding metformin because it slightly inhibits mTOR while:
2. Taking a dose of spironalactone that is given to men to turn them into women

is wild. The reason it's "good for your hair" is because it stops the effects of androgens.

1 : Avoiding Metformin as my gains went slower after adding it.

2 : Using a potassium sparring diuretic that also slower MPB. Fyi, trans also use dutasteride.

 

[Sicsemptyran]

2 : Using a potassium sparring diuretic that also slower MPB. Fyi, trans also use dutasteride.

Yes, they do to stop the conversion to DHT, which doesn’t drive anabolism (as shown repeatedly in those who lack the ability to reduce T into DHT), not even remotely a similar comparison though.

Spironalactone blocks the actual androgen receptor, negating 50-80% of the drugs you’re taking at those doses.

Not particularly sure why I’m arguing this. It’s a ridiculous drug to take as a bodybuilder, or even for the vast majority of men.

 

[eery]

1 : Avoiding Metformin as my gains went slower after adding it.

How did you assess and notice this?

 

[DugPrime]

How did you assess and notice this?

I was at ~1g of Metformin mid cycle but my morning BG was like 105, so I upped to dose to 3g and suddenly I've started to be flat, lose strength and a lot of gains.

It lasted for like two weeks or so, as soon as I dropped the metformin man I took all the glycogen back and gains went at at a much higher rate. Since this day, I decided to avoid Metformin, and after looking for other compounds, they all comes with bad sides, so I decided to only stick to Lantus, as I don't give a fuck about being diabetic for four weeks.

 

[DugPrime]

Mk677 is an awful drug, bottom line.

If used well, MK-677 can be the kind of drug that makes you growing day by day, it's very strong, but it has a bad reputation because it has many sides.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

How in the hell can your A1C drop down to normal in 2 days when it’s basically a 3 month rolling average of glucose levels…?

 

[effswithtren]

You just proved my point exactly. A lot of those pro guys already had a shit ton of mass hence why they were fat. They were already holding size just poor diets and lifestyle.

And Nick Walker is probably the most extreme case of hyper responders we have ever seen.

Now let's list all of the olympia competitors who were already in amazing shape by age 25.... See which list is longer...

Are you really trying to tell this 175lb kid that he might have mass monster genetics? When he already has cycles under his belt... He won't know until he keeps trying? Get real bro. You're dishing out garbage advice and logic. Bringing up Nick Walker as if he's not .0001% of the population.

Yeah, there are people that really blow up, maybe nick walker is an example maybe not. Don’t know much about him.

But my point is, those exceptions really just serve to prove the rule. I’m going to guess there’s no nick walkers in the crowd tonight. For everyone else, IE everyone here, you’d know early on if you were destined to be a big bastard.

I say that as someone that isn’t. I don’t do much these days, but when I did I never got into the 180’s in any sort of presentable stage ready condition. For people like me, and probably a lot of people reading this, you’ll have to shift your expectation from “huge” to something more like “aesthetic”