First Timer Question - Test is Best - 50y/o

[GnRHex]

I’m 5’7 and slim now. Not overly skinny but I don’t need to lose anymore weight. Now I want to bulk, the reason for my SARM protocol, GH and then T. My biggest concern is shutting down my natural T which is excellent. But nothing to write home about, esp w my free T being low.

Good luck! Looking forward. Keep us updated because I am going to be following you for sure!

Good luck with your journey too. At 135 and 5'7, I am guessing the primary mission would be to get a serious workout program and nutrition plan in place as the base, and then the assistance to compliment that - thats how I would approach it.

I caught a protozoa two years ago after getting to 144lb and around 8% body fat, and I dropped all the way to 132 and 5% body fat due to being unable to eat for weeks. I have been building back up slowly again since then. But I remember at around 135 I was consumed with food noise - reta is good for that I guess.

Good luck man. Stay safe.

 

[Ángel Ruiz]

Perdona, soy español.
Con 700 de testosterona puedes conseguir aún mucho, está muy bien.
Vas a arruinar tu testosterona natural, no lo hagas aún.
Con buena dieta y entrenamiento puedes estar muy bien sin sides.

 

[Deezznutzz]

First, thanks again for making that intro post... it gives a lot more background about you.

Regarding Reta... these GLP peptides are extraordinarily potent compared to others. As you already know, peptides like Tesa are potent as well, but GLPs, like Reta, IMO are moreso. You may already know this, GLPs were originally studied and put to trials for diabetes. During trials, extraordinary appetite suppression was also observed. There's nothing like the appetite suppression/control GLPs promote. If you're trying to gain muscle and need appetite, GLPs are likely counterproductive. Keep that in mind.

I like Chase Irons, but personally, disagree with some of his views... from how he reconstitutes his hGH to his way of implementing GLPs. I'm not saying he's completely wrong. I think sometimes he lacks implementation and/or explanation of the full research. Now, he will likely say that's what HE does and what works for HIM. And, that's my point... what he does, or the way he does it, may or may not work for you (you may know this already). There's an abundance of info on Meso regarding GLPs. If you want to learn and research more, there are many threads, with studies linked, to gain proficient knowledge about them.

Lastly, LabCorp labs cost much less than Quest for the identical lab. Private MD provides access to both, but their rate with LabCorp is not as low as other services like Fitomics. For example, CBC costs about $35 with Quest through PrivateMD (less with coupon or code, $22.50). With Fitomics, CBC is about $5. To me, Quest seems to be a more premium lab with faster turnaround, and that sometimes comes in handy. For Quest, with a coupon, Private MD offers competitive pricing. But, services that have the low rates through LabCorp will save you a lot more. It may take a little studying to find which service works for you. Again, there is a ton of info on Meso regarding discount labs.

I wonder if it's different in different states? I use private MD labs and LabCorp is double expensive as Quest. Quest is the one you want with private MD labs

 

[Jkeepdrop739]

Perdona, soy español.
Con 700 de testosterona puedes conseguir aún mucho, está muy bien.
Vas a arruinar tu testosterona natural, no lo hagas aún.
Con buena dieta y entrenamiento puedes estar muy bien sin sides.

Gracias por tu ayuda con esto. El problema no es mi testosterona total. Lamentablemente, tengo la SHBG muy alta y la testosterona libre muy baja.

 

[bigMoJo]

I wonder if it's different in different states? I use private MD labs and LabCorp is double expensive as Quest. Quest is the one you want with private MD labs

From what I've gathered, PrivateMD has a "contract" with Quest, not with LabCorp. Where I am, LabCorp pricing through PrivateMD is the same as Quest on the few labs I've looked at. It's possible their LabCorp pricing could be higher on other labs versus Quest.

Quest is strong, IMO, better than LabCorp. When I run labs through insurance, I try go to Quest. OOP, it's LabCorp via Fitomics.

Have you taken a look at Fitomics?

 

[Ángel Ruiz]

Gracias por tu ayuda con esto. El problema no es mi testosterona total. Desafortunadamente, tengo la SHBG muy alta y la testosterona libre muy baja.

Hay maneras de bajar la shbg de forma natural y también con proviron, wyn, oxa...
Yo antes exploraba está opción

 

[Jkeepdrop739]

Hay maneras de bajar la shbg de forma natural y también con proviron, wyn, oxa...
Yo antes exploraba está opción

He probado sustancias naturales para bajar la SHBG sin éxito. Pero estoy abierto a ideas. De las otras cosas que mencionaste, ¿cuál me recomendarías?

 

[Jaxino]

Hi-

New here and really studying and researching a safe, least effects cycle. I am 50, 144lb and currently around 7-8% body fat - was on Retatrutide and did a cycle of Tesomorelin and some other peptides in a three month bulk exiting the Christmas phase. I am on 160mg of TRT. This week I began 2 IU of GH; suspect its too early to notice anything at this dose.

I had been looking at Primo with the Testosterone, and this led me through youtube advice, lots of contradictions across them.

But I discovered a narrative that suggested for a first cycle, stick with just the T and slowly go up, rising to between 200mg to 400mg, monitor bloods every 4 weeks and stay below or at 400 in the program. Eat clean and serious, get in a surplus, and treat the training with the same seriousness as the choices and safety profile I desire for the PED side of the cycle.

Some seem to suggest its not worth it, suggesting to go onto something else and keep the T lower. I would like to put some muscle on, but have no intention to be a bodybuilder - as a first step into pushing my body like this, the test only first run seems reasonable to me, but not sure what I am missing.

I am new to this, and appreciate I may have things wrong here, but I am serious about learning and growing.

Thank you for any wisdom

GnRHex

If I were in your position, I’d simply run 1 ml of Test E, C, or Sust per week, alongside 5–10 IU of HGH daily before bed. (half a vial or full vial)

Train intelligently—something that becomes quite straightforward once you start logging your sessions with a proper logbook or an app like Hevy.

Follow a high-carbohydrate, moderate-protein (2 g/kg), low-fat diet—around 10–20 g of added fats per day, plus an omega-3 capsule with every meal. Gradually increase your carbohydrate intake to support optimal growth.

After approximately 8 weeks, consider increasing your testosterone dosage and monitor your estradiol levels through regular bloodwork. Use Arimidex as needed to keep estrogen in check.

This protocol allows you to maximize muscle gain in the safest and most controlled manner possible.

 

[youwhat?]

If I were in your position, I’d simply run 1 ml of Test E, C, or Sust per week, alongside 5–10 IU of HGH daily before bed. (half a vial or full vial)

Train intelligently—something that becomes quite straightforward once you start logging your sessions with a proper logbook or an app like Hevy.

Follow a high-carbohydrate, moderate-protein (2 g/kg), low-fat diet—around 10–20 g of added fats per day, plus an omega-3 capsule with every meal. Gradually increase your carbohydrate intake to support optimal growth.

After approximately 8 weeks, consider increasing your testosterone dosage and monitor your estradiol levels through regular bloodwork. Use Arimidex as needed to keep estrogen in check.

This protocol allows you to maximize muscle gain in the safest and most controlled manner possible.

10iu of gh to start? lol

 

[Jaxino]

10iu of gh to start? lol

If you’re serious about making real gains, then start with a proper dose.
That 2–4 IU nonsense won’t get you anywhere.

 

[youwhat?]

If you’re serious about making real gains, then start with a proper dose.
That 2–4 IU nonsense won’t get you anywhere.

That is 100% incorrect and bad advice. But, you do that on multiple forums. It’s why you don’t post on pro muscle anymore even after changing your name.

 

[Jaxino]

That is 100% incorrect and bad advice. But, you do that on multiple forums. It’s why you don’t post on pro muscle anymore even after changing your name.

I’m still waiting to see your actual advice. So instead of coming at me, try contributing something useful—or say nothing at all.

I would never advise anyone to use something unsafe—unlike many others here. HGH remains one of the safest performance-enhancing compounds you can incorporate.

Right, maybe just head back to ProMuscle and keep riding Luki like most people there seem to do.

I checked your post, nothing useful from you.

 

[youwhat?]

I’m still waiting to see your actual advice. So instead of coming at me, try contributing something useful—or say nothing at all.

I would never advise anyone to use something unsafe—unlike many others here. HGH remains one of the safest performance-enhancing compounds you can incorporate.

Right, maybe just head back to ProMuscle and keep riding Luki like most people there seem to do.

I checked your post, nothing useful from you.

I posted quite a bit in this thread. And he actually used my advice, which was healthy. You’re just an idiot. Who asks about different cycles every other day then tries to tell others what to do. And changes his username to try to hide.

 

[BigDadd7]

If I were in your position, I’d simply run 1 ml of Test E, C, or Sust per week, alongside 5–10 IU of HGH daily before bed. (half a vial or full vial)

Train intelligently—something that becomes quite straightforward once you start logging your sessions with a proper logbook or an app like Hevy.

Follow a high-carbohydrate, moderate-protein (2 g/kg), low-fat diet—around 10–20 g of added fats per day, plus an omega-3 capsule with every meal. Gradually increase your carbohydrate intake to support optimal growth.

After approximately 8 weeks, consider increasing your testosterone dosage and monitor your estradiol levels through regular bloodwork. Use Arimidex as needed to keep estrogen in check.

This protocol allows you to maximize muscle gain in the safest and most controlled manner possible.

Dumb

 

[Ángel Ruiz]

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He probado sustancias naturales para bajar la SHBG sin éxito. Pero estoy abierto a ideas. De las otras cosas que mencionaste, ¿cuál me recomendarías?

No puedo darte consejos, no conozco lo suficiente y esto es un tema de salud.
Quizas otros chicos con más experiencia si puedan.
Solo he probado en mi ,raíz de ortiga y boro.
Tengo tu edad y misma testosterona y un buen estado físico, entreno 6 días cada semana , estoy fitness

 

[GnRHex]

If I were in your position, I’d simply run 1 ml of Test E, C, or Sust per week, alongside 5–10 IU of HGH daily before bed. (half a vial or full vial)

Train intelligently—something that becomes quite straightforward once you start logging your sessions with a proper logbook or an app like Hevy.

Follow a high-carbohydrate, moderate-protein (2 g/kg), low-fat diet—around 10–20 g of added fats per day, plus an omega-3 capsule with every meal. Gradually increase your carbohydrate intake to support optimal growth.

After approximately 8 weeks, consider increasing your testosterone dosage and monitor your estradiol levels through regular bloodwork. Use Arimidex as needed to keep estrogen in check.

This protocol allows you to maximize muscle gain in the safest and most controlled manner possible.

Thanks for this. The HGH recommendation - I am going to think about that. I was doing carnivore, but have moved over to high carb low fat. I have been striving to eat no more than 20g of fat on my workout days and I drop the carbs on a rest day and increase the fat then - a keto day almost. Trying to eat the carbs on a workout day has been a little challenging - needing to eat 300g or more, which for me has been a challenge interestingly.

Thank you for the concise advice here; appreciated.

 

[Jkeepdrop739]

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No puedo darte consejos, no conozco lo suficiente y esto es un tema de salud.
Quizas otros chicos con más experiencia si puedan.
Solo he probado en mi ,raíz de ortiga y boro.
Tengo tu edad y misma testosterona y un buen estado físico, entreno 6 días cada semana , estoy fitness

¡Gracias! Lo aprecio mucho. No estoy seguro de que necesite empezar con testosterona para vivir mi vida; era más por el tema del culturismo. También estoy relativamente en forma. Solo estoy buscando crecer más

 

[Ateam2023]

so now we speak different languages on meso?

 

[Nidus]

so now we speak different languages on meso?

Guess so

 

[Jkeepdrop739]

so now we speak different languages on meso

I don’t. But ChatGPT helps me