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Raising the Standard​


The purpose of this thread is to present a comprehensive, reproducible, lab-grade method for purifying steroid raws prior to conversion. This is not a replacement for quality manufacturing..
this is a corrective technique to deal with substandard materials when no other option is available.


We must be clear: this is not an excuse for manufacturers to cut corners. This is a stopgap solution that allows individual compounders and responsible middlemen to clean up contaminated or adulterated product until true GMP-level practices are adopted upstream. Even if we can't achieve GMP standards, increasing the standard in general is a wise idea.


Suppliers and sterile manufacturers should be the ones using this technique before raw powders are ever released to customers. But in the current state of the market, with contamination levels ranging from oils, moisture, dyes, and binding agents, we must be realistic:


If you're receiving raw material that is 88% pure or lower, purification via recrystallization is one of the only ways to salvage it.




The Chemistry of Recrystallization


Recrystallization relies on the principle that your active compound (the steroid) has a different solubility profile in high-purity solvents than the impurities it's mixed with.


Process Overview:


  1. Dissolve the raw steroid in a high-purity hot solvent (typically 99.5%+ ethanol or acetone).
  2. Hot filter to remove insoluble trash like oils, waxes, pigments, or binders.
  3. Crash the steroid out of solution by either cooling it slowly or adding an anti-solvent (e.g. distilled or deionized water).
  4. Cold filter the solid crystals that form.
  5. Dry the purified crystals under vacuum or low-temp desiccation.

The result is a significantly cleaner yield of the target hormone.




Materials Required (Laboratory-Grade Only)


To perform this properly, you will need:


  • High-purity 99%+ ethanol (USP or reagent grade)
  • Deionized or distilled water
  • Borosilicate glass beakers or flasks
  • Magnetic stirrer or hot plate with temp control
  • Lab-grade filter paper (e.g. Whatman #1, #5, or #42 depending on micron rating)
  • Glass Büchner funnel or vacuum filter system
  • Vacuum pump or manual vacuum system
  • Desiccator or low-heat oven (<50°C) for drying
  • Sterile gloves, masks, and clean workspace

This is a lab-grade procedure and should be treated as such. However not everyone has simple lab grade methods on hand or equipment but we can get close.

Using denatured alcohol, hardware solvents, or kitchen equipment is not compatible with achieving pharmaceutical-grade results.




Filter Selection: Micron Guidance


Filtering is a critical part of this process.


Avoid coffee filters, fabric, or makeshift setups. They are neither consistent nor clean enough for this application.




Purity Yield Expectations


  • Starting with 85–90% purity raws: expect to retain 75–85% yield with 95–98% final purity
  • Starting with 70–80% purity: expect 60–70% final yield, but potentially 95%+ purity in recovered material
  • Starting with 50–60%: much lower yield, but still usable; multiple recrystallizations may be needed

You cannot increase the quantity of active steroid..
you are simply removing the non-active garbage that never belonged there.




Why This Should Be Done by Suppliers First


The responsibility for ensuring compound purity should never fall solely on the end-user. This method exists as a response to an unreliable supply chain. Ideally, this process would be handled by:


  • Raw suppliers prior to export
  • Domestic middlemen before resale
  • UGL operators prior to formulation

Unfortunately, we know that none of these parties are consistently doing that. Until they do, this is the most accessible way to reclaim agency over the quality of your injections.




Case Use: Why You Might Still Want to Purify


Let’s say you spent $600 on 50g of Mast P raw, and it tests at 88% purity.


  • That means 12% of it is crap: moisture, oil, cut, dye, residue, who knows.
  • You were going to overdose the brew anyway to compensate.

So instead:


  • Recrystallize it
  • Remove the 12% junk that would have made your oil cloudy, painful, or difficult to sterilize
  • Formulate your gear with precision dosing and no guesswork

You didn’t lose yield. You gained control.




Follow-Up Testing and Service Outlook


I am currently in the process of:


  • Building a controlled setup with proper labware
  • Processing multiple raw batches through purification
  • Sending both unprocessed and recrystallized samples to Jano for comparative analysis

If the testing confirms what we already observe visually and physically, I will explore offering a service for those who do not have time, space, or resources to build this setup.




Final Thoughts


This process is:


  • Chemistry-backed
  • Lab-standard
  • Easily replicable with the correct tools
  • Completely justified in a contaminated market

This should never be the first option, but it is currently one of the best fallback options we have.


If the people selling us product won’t clean it, we will.


And we’ll do it right


The following are are compatible with this method.

Testosterone Enanthate

Testosterone Cypionate

Testosterone Propionate

Testosterone Phenylpropionate

Testosterone Isocaproate

Testosterone Decanoate

Testosterone Undecanoate

Trenbolone Acetate

Trenbolone Enanthate

Nandrolone Decanoate

Nandrolone Phenylpropionate

Masteron Propionate

Masteron Enanthate

Primobolan Enanthate

Methenolone Acetate

Boldenone Acetate

Turinabol (Oral)

Winstrol (Stanozolol)

Oxandrolone (Anavar)

Oxymetholone (Anadrol)

Mesterolone (Proviron)

Halotestin (Fluoxymesterone)

1-Testosterone (Dihydroboldenone)

1-Test Cypionate

Dihydrotestosterone (DHT base)

Methyltestosterone

Mestanolone

Drostanolone Propionate

Drostanolone Enanthate



Anything waxy or oil at room temperature will be much harder to do. It's doable, but we'll take a bit extra steps.



You'll welcome to say this is pointless, but in this current market
We either hope the manufacturers step up and do better, or we make do what we can for now. while still pushing the manufacturer to do better.
 
Interesting. Didn't realize this was possible.

The longer available raws "age", the more useful this will become.

Vendors might also be able to utilize this to salvage stock and deliver a better product since I'm sure they're getting screwed by some of their suppliers with low quality raws.
 
Interesting. Didn't realize this was possible.

The longer available raws "age", the more useful this will become.

Vendors might also be able to utilize this to salvage stock and deliver a better product since I'm sure they're getting screwed by some of their suppliers with low quality raws.
This is who exactly I want to read.

All the vendors.
I don't want anyone thinking I should just have to do this myself.

In fact, I want vendors to look at this and employ it.

I personally want to do this just to achieve closer to 99%. But if vendors can start doing this at standard, I'm pretty sure we're going to see a higher purity,

I have all the equipment listed in the steps that I've compiled and I'm willing to send to any vendor for them to look into it.
 
This is essentially how we used to break down Finaplix pellets and use them. Although much more rudimentary.
It must have been a lost technique because I absolutely see no one willing to do this anymore but with the things the way they are

Sounds like the old methods are gonna be a useful tool.

So I'm gonna take the charge and I'm gonna be the first For this era to be fucking doing it. I will achieve 99% purity.

And I won't need a fucking lab license to have it either.

I want to show everyone else its possible.
 
It must have been a lost technique because I absolutely see no one willing to do this anymore but with the things the way they are

Sounds like the old methods are gonna be a useful tool.

So I'm gonna take the charge and I'm gonna be the first For this era to be fucking doing it. I will achieve 99% purity.

And I won't need a fucking lab license to have it either.

I want to show everyone else its possible.
Do it brother. I’m curious to see the results.
 
It must have been a lost technique because I absolutely see no one willing to do this anymore but with the things the way they are

Sounds like the old methods are gonna be a useful tool.

So I'm gonna take the charge and I'm gonna be the first For this era to be fucking doing it. I will achieve 99% purity.

And I won't need a fucking lab license to have it either.

I want to show everyone else its possible.
It most definitely is possible and it's not as hard as people think, I've done the exact same process with other compounds, I don't care to explain much farther beyond that, The point being your spot on with what you're suggesting along with the process being very accurate, The only part you need to figure out is which solvent to use with each raw, separating the cut out is fairly easy after you figure out the solvent that your raw is 100% soluble in. As you already know, not all raws will be completely soluble in the same solvent. But you should definitely be able to get 100% purity fairly easy once you figure that part out. It's something anybody could do with minimal equipment, and not difficult at all. Sometimes a simple change of the pH, will crash out your raw materials once they've been washed, other times you have to use a polar or non polar solvent with a separatory funnel,and then evaporate it
 
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It most definitely is possible and it's not as hard as people think, I've done the exact same process with other compounds, I don't care to explain much farther beyond that, The point being your spot on with what you're suggesting along with the process being very accurate, The only part you need to figure out is which solvent to use with each raw, separating the cut out is fairly easy after you figure out the solvent that your raw is 100% soluble in. As you already know, not all raws will be completely soluble in the same solvent. But you should definitely be able to get 100% purity fairly easy once you figure that part out. It's something anybody could do with minimal equipment, and not difficult at all. Sometimes a simple change of the pH, will crash out your raw materials once they've been washed, other times you have to use a polar or non polar solvent with a separatory funnel,and then evaporate it
Good info! Gave me more leads. My goal is to get pharma grade test undeconate. Then as comical as it sounds pharma grade tren ace. Got any advice on tren?
 
Good info! Gave me more leads. My goal is to get pharma grade test undeconate. Then as comical as it sounds pharma grade tren ace. Got any advice on tren?
Another thing I just thought of as well... If they are cutting it with different things, something's filter out better cold, and some hot. It's going to have to take some experimentation, I don't know if you've ever heard of something they call an A & B extraction? It's a way that they used to wash Pseudoephedrine pills because the manufacturers would put all sorts of binders and fillers and shit in there to discourage using them for something else, lol. I could find it for you if you're interested, I've done it before obviously many years ago, and it's very effective. You can get 99 ,% of the stuff out of there with this method. It's basically a hot and a cold filter, involving alcohol, and other solvents when you're done you basically have pure pseudoephedrine, but it would work with anything I'm sure of that. I have to work today but I will dig up the process for you this weekend and get it to you somehow.
 
This is big for the sources here aswell not just the users.
70-80% raws even at lower yields reaching 95% is mindblowing to me and it seems easy enough that I could do it myself.

Hope people start doing it. The thought of injecting anything sub 90% makes me cringe.
 
Post that on bbgate
Lol, you know about that site as well huh? Before I got myself straightened out, I used that site quite a bit, That's the spot, there's definite cartel connections out of Canada on there. There's a lot of useful chemistry information on there, that would definitely help him on this endeavor of his. I was actually going to give dude the link to that.. what do they call themselves on there....nexgen ,lol
 
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Lol, you know about that site as well huh? Before I got myself straightened out, I used that site quite a bit, That's the spot, there's definite cartel connections out of Canada on there. There's a lot of useful chemistry information on there, that would definitely help him on this endeavor of his. I was actually going to give dude the link to that.. what do they call themselves on there....nexgen ,lol
From what I can tell the process has been revised many times because the feds are constantly trying to keep ahead of everybody but there's constantly a new work around figured out, there's a water-based method, there's an acid-based method, and there's a combination of the two, It doesn't matter what they tried throwing in those pills, they never were able to stop people from doing it. I was just reading up on it because I don't fuck around like that anymore, but the method is still alive and thriving. There used to be a site called The rhodium...the hive.. I don't know if they're still around but I know BB gate is definitely alive and thriving, and everything's been updated on there to keep up with the times. those guys are for real on there, they're not a bunch of backyard hillbilly chemist, they are the real deal. Before I got sober I used to get pounds of that s*** through FedEx off that site, nobody could figure out where the f*** I was getting stuff that pure and I was getting it practically for free... They must have tons of it as cheap as they sell it on there, definitely cartel.
 
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Lol, you know about that site as well huh? Before I got myself straightened out, I used that site quite a bit, That's the spot, there's definite cartel connections out of Canada on there. There's a lot of useful chemistry information on there, that would definitely help him on this endeavor of his. I was actually going to give dude the link to that.. what do they call themselves on there....nexgen ,lol
Holy shit this is an amazing site!
 
Holy shit this is an amazing site!
Lol, yeah it is pretty wild, and nothing on their is bullshit,its legit.. crazy it's always been on clearnet and not a onion site. I used to get a lot of stuff off there. I know of a couple more just like it. You can learn a lot on there as far as what you're trying to do. You can also source some very hard to find chemicals on there as well. Those guys are all cool on there,the only rule is no mention of,or discussions about fentanyl,they will ban you fast as shit if you do.. The feds basically leave sites like that alone as long as they keep that shit off the site,it's a unspoken rule these days on most sites like that,even the dark web..
 
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Lol, yeah it is pretty wild, and nothing on their is bullshit,its legit.. crazy it's always been on clearnet and not a onion site. I used to get a lot of stuff off there. I know of a couple more just like it. You can learn a lot on there as far as what you're trying to do. You can also source some very hard to find chemicals on there as well. Those guys are all cool on there,the only rule is no mention of,or discussions about fentanyl,they will ban you fast as shit if you do.. The feds basically leave sites like that alone as long as they keep that shit off the site,it's a unspoken rule these days on most sites like that,even the dark web..
I did a look over in holy shit, man. A lot of the theories that I was coming up on here already talked about there. That's fucking crazy.

And here people here were shitting on me talking about TLC wasn't a valid method and wasn't worth it.

When I knew the idea that if you could get a valid pure sample and you know it's pure even by sending it to Jano.

You can then save that sample and then start using TLC at home to verify every other future batch and compare it to that reference sample.

Therefore saving you money and you know every future fucking batch if it doesn't match that then it's not pure.

I'm considering moving on to that community because it feels like those are my people. Lmao! They talk about shit that I fucking think about all day
 
The jano thing is definitely nice,he contributes a very solid service, invaluable to the community. But before he ever came into the picture people had to do it the old fashioned way,and there is most definitely several ways you can test your own shit and have a pretty fucking close idea if it's cut or not and by how much. When money is no object,it is a lot easier to just send it in somewhere, I do see that end of it.. Melting points alone don't lie,if you cut something the cut will not melt at the same time,and it sticks out like a sore fucking thumb,and if it's not real at all,it's going to definitely melt at a different temperature. It's one of the oldest ways in the book to test the purity of any compound,and it doesn't lie,and it's still used to this day when a gas chromatography test isn't a option. Anybody can learn how to do anything if they put the time in, knowledge is power. I have had a interest in chemistry all my life,synthesizing this and that.. its crazy how easy most shit is to do, people have no idea and just write things off way to easily....
 
The jano thing is definitely nice,he contributes a very solid service, invaluable to the community. But before he ever came into the picture people had to do it the old fashioned way,and there is most definitely several ways you can test your own shit and have a pretty fucking close idea if it's cut or not and by how much. When money is no object,it is a lot easier to just send it in somewhere, I do see that end of it.. Melting points alone don't lie,if you cut something the cut will not melt at the same time,and it sticks out like a sore fucking thumb,and if it's not real at all,it's going to definitely melt at a different temperature. It's one of the oldest ways in the book to test the purity of any compound,and it doesn't lie,and it's still used to this day when a gas chromatography test isn't a option. Anybody can learn how to do anything if they put the time in, knowledge is power. I have had a interest in chemistry all my life,synthesizing this and that.. its crazy how easy most shit is to do, people have no idea and just write things off way to easily....
The jano thing is definitely nice,he contributes a very solid service, invaluable to the community. But before he ever came into the picture people had to do it the old fashioned way,and there is most definitely several ways you can test your own shit and have a pretty fucking close idea if it's cut or not and by how much. When money is no object,it is a lot easier to just send it in somewhere, I do see that end of it.. Melting points alone don't lie,if you cut something the cut will not melt at the same time,and it sticks out like a sore fucking thumb,and if it's not real at all,it's going to definitely melt at a different temperature. It's one of the oldest ways in the book to test the purity of any compound,and it doesn't lie,and it's still used to this day when a gas chromatography test isn't a option. Anybody can learn how to do anything if they put the time in, knowledge is power. I have had a interest in chemistry all my life,synthesizing this and that.. its crazy how easy most shit is to do, people have no idea and just write things off way to easily....
Neck deep. Can't back out. Learning so much figured out how they used to make the old tren pellets. Now it all makes sense
 
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