Long acting insulin vs short acting for maximum muscle growth?

[Barbellforeskin]

Paired with AAS and HGH, off season setting, would taking a long acting insulin like Lantus or short acting like Humalog be better for bodybuilding purposes?

 

[xrayphoton13]

Paired with AAS and HGH, off season setting, would taking a long acting insulin like Lantus or short acting like Humalog be better for bodybuilding purposes?

It depends. Both, neither, or just one would be best. Depends where you are at in muscular development, how many carbs you require, if you use HGH, how insulin resistant you are, etc.. So many variables that I wouldn't bother with insulin unless it was either required to keep you from becoming diabetic or you hired a competent coach that knows how to use it and learn from them

 

[BigTomJ]

depends what your average fasting BG is, A1C is at, and postprandial endogenous insulin response is.

TLDR if your pancreas is already supplying the requisite insulin to handle the amount of carbs youre putting in, then adding exogenous insulin will do nothing but mask potential issues, like reduced insulin sensitivity.

If you have to ask these kinds of questions you absolutely should not be using insulin on your own.

 

[mrsloppyboo]

depends what your average fasting BG is, A1C is at, and postprandial endogenous insulin response is.

TLDR if your pancreas is already supplying the requisite insulin to handle the amount of carbs youre putting in, then adding exogenous insulin will do nothing but mask potential issues, like reduced insulin sensitivity.

If you have to ask these kinds of questions you absolutely should not be using insulin on your own.

For novolin R insulin would it be better to pin 30 minutes pre workout and start sipping intra workout shake when I start training or directly pre workout and start sipping intra workout shake as I start training?

 

[BigTomJ]

For novolin R insulin would it be better to pin 30 minutes pre workout and start sipping intra workout shake when I start training or directly pre workout and start sipping intra workout shake as I start training?

Earlier.
15-30m or so before your pre workout meal.
Then have intra workout carbs during training.

 

[mrsloppyboo]

Earlier.
15-30m or so before your pre workout meal.
Then have intra workout carbs during training.

Okay so I wake up at 7:50am, eat pre workout at 8:00, and train 9:30-11:30 then eat again at 11:45. You’d suggest pinning Novolin R right as I wake up and then having an intra workout shake?

 

[BigTomJ]

Okay so I wake up at 7:50am, eat pre workout at 8:00, and train 9:30-11:30 then eat again at 11:45. You’d suggest pinning Novolin R right as I wake up and then having an intra workout shake?

Yes, novalin r peaks between 2-4 hours after taking it, so it'll be active for the pre workout meal and intra carbs, and be peaking right about post workout meals time

 

[mrsloppyboo]

Yes, novalin r peaks between 2-4 hours after taking it, so it'll be active for the pre workout meal and intra carbs, and be peaking right about post workout meals time

Perfect, thanks so much man. My pre workout meal is 13g fat 23g protein and 135g carbs. (4x toast 2x pop tarts) Should I cut out the fat and switch pop tarts to something else or is this amount okay? Also, would it be smart to pin Novolin R a second time during the day to maximize growth? I have a meal at 11:45 post workout then another one at 2:00, then one at 5:00 (at work containing only carbs), and 8:30. The only times I can’t pin are between 2:30-8:15 as I’m at work

 

[BigTomJ]

Perfect, thanks so much man. My pre workout meal is 13g fat 23g protein and 135g carbs. (4x toast 2x pop tarts) Should I cut out the fat and switch pop tarts to something else or is this amount okay?

You generally want as few fats as possible, ideally you'd have a more traditional carb source, but it's not the end of the world.

Also, would it be smart to pin Novolin R a second time during the day to maximize growth? I have a meal at 11:45 post workout then another one at 2:00, then one at 5:00 (at work containing only carbs), and 8:30. The only times I can’t pin are between 2:30-8:15 as I’m at work

I wouldn't. One time with pre workout meal will cover most of your highest carb intake with pre/intra/post workout carbs.

Remember my original post, none of this makes any sense at all if your natural insulin secretions can handle the carb intake you're on.

 

[mrsloppyboo]

You generally want as few fats as possible, ideally you'd have a more traditional carb source, but it's not the end of the world.


I wouldn't. One time with pre workout meal will cover most of your highest carb intake with pre/intra/post workout carbs.

Remember my original post, none of this makes any sense at all if your natural insulin secretions can handle the carb intake you're on.

For sure. I’m waiting till deeper into my bulk when I’m pushing 800g carbs daily. Right now I’m only pushing around 500g carbs daily and will be running moderate test moderate tren for week 1-10 (easy to bulk on tren for me). This 10 weeks will be a lighter bulk

Then when my eq and HGH arrives on week 6 I plan on running HGH week 6-10 then weeks 11-34 I’m adding in eq and upping my test and tren to its final dose for the full 24 week cycle. Week 15 is when I plan on starting Novolin R.

Would you recommend something like a 4 weeks on 4 weeks off for the slin? Or is there a way I can keep running it throughout my entire cycle after starting it? What’s the max dose you would do in my situation?

 

[BigTomJ]

Would you recommend something like a 4 weeks on 4 weeks off for the slin? Or is there a way I can keep running it throughout my entire cycle after starting it? What’s the max dose you would do in my situation?

I can't give a general answer to these questions.
They are going to be too nuanced and reliant on individual factors.