Advice from fellow old guys, new to PED

[wldb33rz]

Hi guys! Really looking to kind of make up for lost time after fitness goals being put on hold for over a decade. Health issues derailed my first real commitment in my early 30's to try and get as muscular as I could. The health issues are hypothyroidism and arthritis. Thyroid issues took away strength, created severe pain in hands and wrists, which halted most everything I was doing; and also threw a bunch of weight on me. Then just as that was getting under control I started working out again, and got similar symptoms and wound up finding out that was arthritis which was a lot trickier to get properly under control. Both issues are optimized now and well under control and I've been working out for just under 2 years consistently now, just over a year in the gym with more equipment than I have at home.

I'm looking for advice more on what I should avoid. From the research I've done and advice from people in my life, I'll be on a test base, but trying to look online most of the youngs seem to think it's dumb for older folks to even consider PEDs. So not really much good info. And everything I seem to be warned against, I've actively seen examples of others doing well on into their 50's.

So, at this point is there anything I should actively avoid due to age, or is it the same trial and error and see what works that everyone in their teens and 20's goes through?

Specifically the gear I have now is Test E 250, Primo 100, Anavar 10mg tabs, Anadrol 50mg tabs. Obviously not all on one cycle and not planning on any for a while. I've been contemplating Deca/NPP but real conflicting info about using that as an old guy. I'm also planning on lowest dose that does something for me, so I'm not planning on going crazy with the dosing.

Any advice?

 

[Diixencider]

just take 250 to 350mg test a week for like 6 to 8 weeks to see how you toerate it. push that number to 500 for a few weeks. If you arent trying to body build 500 is more then enough for any goal. if you wana lose weight fix your diet and add a glp1. at your age your body wont tolerate things like it used to. that doent mean it cant tolerate other things but id be more weary

 

[wldb33rz]

just take 250 to 350mg test a week for like 6 to 8 weeks to see how you toerate it. push that number to 500 for a few weeks. If you arent trying to body build 500 is more then enough for any goal. if you wana lose weight fix your diet and add a glp1. at your age your body wont tolerate things like it used to. that doent mean it cant tolerate other things but id be more weary

I should have mentioned that yes, I've already lost 100lbs in the past 18 months. Diet's been on point for years, and tirzepatide has helped to fix a lot of the metabolic issues I've had; never diabetic or glucose/insulin issues. Still have a good 30lbs to go before I am actively trying to do the PEDs. Test only would be the first cycle.

 

[Diixencider]

I should have mentioned that yes, I've already lost 100lbs in the past 18 months. Diet's been on point for years, and tirzepatide has helped to fix a lot of the metabolic issues I've had; never diabetic or glucose/insulin issues. Still have a good 30lbs to go before I am actively trying to do the PEDs. Test only would be the first cycle.

yeah dude you got the right idea then. ive been using reta and had alot of success too. Def see how u handle the test. get bloods done and if your estro is running high and you are dead set on other compounds add primo at half of your test mg so if 500mg test add 250mg primo. careful tho primo can tank your e2 lol thats why i suggest half the test in mg lol

 

[buck]

Are you on any test now?
If loosing fat is your goal i would focus on that and then maintain that weight for some time to find out what it takes to do that and have things stabilize, before trying to put on muscle. If health is a priority for you then remember this is a marathon not a sprint.

 

[wldb33rz]

Not on test now. Based on symptoms and huge overlap with hypothyroid I did order some bloodwork through a trt clinic. I was ready to jump on if needed, but looking at the results It's not needed. There are some worrying things but overall things look good:

Total Test: 582
Estradiol: 36.3
LH: 7.9
SHBG: 36.6

Blood pulled at 1:30pm

Free T wasnt tested, didnt realize until after I got the bloodwork results. Appointment with the clinic is next week, but I dont think I am in a hurry to jump on. Mostly just looking to help speed things up some....aint getting younger and while I could just workout for the next decade and stay natty to get where I want to be....I'll be pushing 60 at that point. I'd rather speed things along where possible to try and enjoy things while I'm still young enough to enjoy them.

Edit: BTW: the overlapping symptoms are low endurance, fatigue, muscle soreness, muscle weakness, slow recovery, etc. I got concerned because last TSH reading was 0.60 and Free T4 was at 1.89. So the thyroid was optimized; but thyroid issues can inhibit T levels as well.So, went down the rabbit hole.

 

[Diixencider]

Not on test now. Based on symptoms and huge overlap with hypothyroid I did order some bloodwork through a trt clinic. I was ready to jump on if needed, but looking at the results It's not needed. There are some worrying things but overall things look good:

Total Test: 582
Estradiol: 36.3
LH: 7.9
SHBG: 36.6

Blood pulled at 1:30pm

Free T wasnt tested, didnt realize until after I got the bloodwork results. Appointment with the clinic is next week, but I dont think I am in a hurry to jump on. Mostly just looking to help speed things up some....aint getting younger and while I could just workout for the next decade and stay natty to get where I want to be....I'll be pushing 60 at that point. I'd rather speed things along where possible to try and enjoy things while I'm still young enough to enjoy them.

Edit: BTW: the overlapping symptoms are low endurance, fatigue, muscle soreness, muscle weakness, slow recovery, etc. I got concerned because last TSH reading was 0.60 and Free T4 was at 1.89. So the thyroid was optimized; but thyroid issues can inhibit T levels as well.So, went down the rabbit hole.

your total t is pretty good for your age if not really good.

 

[wldb33rz]

your total t is pretty good for your age if not really good.

Was genuinely surprised when I saw that result. Especially for age. But it's making me question my whole life now because I've worked out several times in my 20's and 30's and really never saw any gains take place. No change in body comp really, no size changes, although did get a bit stronger but not sure if that was just practice/neurological. Even as a teenager I wound up gaining a bit of weight even though I was walking everywhere, when I had a bike, went all over the city; easily 20-40 miles per day avg. Always had low-ish blood pressure and never had any choleserol issues until recently and even then it's just low HDL, but also low LDL and i'm told optimal triglycerides.

 

[wldb33rz]

BTW: The reason I'm questioning what was going on in my earlier years is because this past year I've made quite significant progress...more than I've ever seen and I'm nowhere near where the strength was in my 20's and 30's. Finally getting close to where I was before all the health issues, but for the first time even with the extra weight I have proper muscle definition. I've never seen that before.

 

[Gatman]

you said a lot of the "younger guys think it's dumb for older guys to consider less"

lol i think it's a waste for younger guys to be on peds

i'm more interested in what your workout routine is and what your trying to accomplish...

 

[wldb33rz]

you said a lot of the "younger guys think it's dumb for older guys to consider less"

lol i think it's a waste for younger guys to be on peds

i'm more interested in what your workout routine is and what your trying to accomplish...

Trying to accomplish a general athletic build, more mass than just being skinny.

I've tried a few different routines, right now doing a upper/lower split 4x a week with a break on Wednesday and the weekends. I do fasted cardio to pass the time after taking my thyroid meds before I can make anything to eat daily. 1 hour each day.

Diet right now is on a glp-1, so calorie restricted. 1800 calories a day, hitting 180g protein consistently, 120 carbs, and 50 fats. Also hitting an average of 40g fiber as well.

I'm on track but seems to be slow, very slow recovery; genuinely takes me 3 days to recover enough to workout again. When I work legs sufficiently, I'm still sore 3 days later during the warmups.

And yeah, every time I've seen someone post that they're in their 40's or older and asking for guidance, whatever board/forum it is seems to slam them and suggest it's stupid to contemplate PED's at that age. In agreeance with you though that it seems to be a waste for younger guys to jump on so quick.

 

[Diixencider]

Trying to accomplish a general athletic build, more mass than just being skinny.

I've tried a few different routines, right now doing a upper/lower split 4x a week with a break on Wednesday and the weekends. I do fasted cardio to pass the time after taking my thyroid meds before I can make anything to eat daily. 1 hour each day.

Diet right now is on a glp-1, so calorie restricted. 1800 calories a day, hitting 180g protein consistently, 120 carbs, and 50 fats. Also hitting an average of 40g fiber as well.

I'm on track but seems to be slow, very slow recovery; genuinely takes me 3 days to recover enough to workout again. When I work legs sufficiently, I'm still sore 3 days later during the warmups.

Just use testosterone lol. You appear to be doing everything right. Sounds like you want to step it up.

 

[Gatman]

Trying to accomplish a general athletic build, more mass than just being skinny.

I've tried a few different routines, right now doing a upper/lower split 4x a week with a break on Wednesday and the weekends. I do fasted cardio to pass the time after taking my thyroid meds before I can make anything to eat daily. 1 hour each day.

Diet right now is on a glp-1, so calorie restricted. 1800 calories a day, hitting 180g protein consistently, 120 carbs, and 50 fats. Also hitting an average of 40g fiber as well.

I'm on track but seems to be slow, very slow recovery; genuinely takes me 3 days to recover enough to workout again. When I work legs sufficiently, I'm still sore 3 days later during the warmups.

And yeah, every time I've seen someone post that they're in their 40's or older and asking for guidance, whatever board/forum it is seems to slam them and suggest it's stupid to contemplate PED's at that age. In agreeance with you though that it seems to be a waste for younger guys to jump on so quick.

i'm 56 turn 57 next month....didn't start peds until 4years ago ..test, masteron currently..have done anavar and winstrol but i like test/mast

regarding recovery....i am a believer in one muscle group a day except arms bi and tris the same day

back
chest
legs
bi/tri

30-45 minutes ....supersets minimal rest

to each his own...but a one muscle group a day should allow for ample recovery time

 

[fw190jd]

63 yo,
All daily
20mg test c
42mg primo
25mg anavar
40mcg clen
10mg dbol on workout day ,5 dw
Fasted cardio 5dw, 10k steps daily
Members here were very helpful in getting me dialed in. Making great progress bf down to 15% ,goal 10%
Starting bf 30%
So far bloodwork is clean

 

[Country Club Hero]

I bet you would love the Trifecta of Testosterone replacement plus daily HGH and a glp1 like Tirzepatide. The Holy Trinity of enhancement for older dudes.

 

[fw190jd]

I bet you would love the Trifecta of Testosterone replacement plus daily HGH and a glp1 like Tirzepatide. The Holy Trinity of enhancement for older dudes.

Forgot 12ius hgh before morning workout

 

[Gatman]

I bet you would love the Trifecta of Testosterone replacement plus daily HGH and a glp1 like Tirzepatide. The Holy Trinity of enhancement for older dudes.

currently on test, masteron and tirz
will be adding hgh

 

[wldb33rz]

I bet you would love the Trifecta of Testosterone replacement plus daily HGH and a glp1 like Tirzepatide. The Holy Trinity of enhancement for older dudes.

I started on Tirzepatide last year, script from endo to help lose weight. After I ran through that program and found it cheaper online I also got introduced to GH secretagogues, specifically sermorelin. I've run a few courses of that and like the results. I've since transitioned to Reta after the tirz stalled for 3 months at highest dosage. But I do have a few kits of GH on hand, with more ordered. And will be starting test in the next couple of weeks. I did go through a clinic to get the script for legality reasons as I do travel a lot, but I've got at least 2 years worth of UGL stocked up.

For at least the first couple of cycles, It's likely going to be just test or test+gh. Still have some weight to lose and already on prep to try and help down regulate aromatase with DCI before trying to jump on test. Also doing a good thorough baseline bloodwork prior to first test dose.

BF% right now is close to 25%, but that's down from the start. Down to 200.8lbs as of this morning from a high of 303lbs. Most comfortable around 170lbs. So if I can get there and be lean, which might be a stretch, but goals gotta be set somewhere.

In the meantime, I'm stocking up on any compounds that I know I want to be adding in. Thus far, Primo, Anavar, and Anadrol I have on hand and plenty for at least 3 proper cycles with each. Maybe went a little overboard on the 'var, but it was cheap.

 

[roofer22]

Hi guys! Really looking to kind of make up for lost time after fitness goals being put on hold for over a decade. Health issues derailed my first real commitment in my early 30's to try and get as muscular as I could. The health issues are hypothyroidism and arthritis. Thyroid issues took away strength, created severe pain in hands and wrists, which halted most everything I was doing; and also threw a bunch of weight on me. Then just as that was getting under control I started working out again, and got similar symptoms and wound up finding out that was arthritis which was a lot trickier to get properly under control. Both issues are optimized now and well under control and I've been working out for just under 2 years consistently now, just over a year in the gym with more equipment than I have at home.

I'm looking for advice more on what I should avoid. From the research I've done and advice from people in my life, I'll be on a test base, but trying to look online most of the youngs seem to think it's dumb for older folks to even consider PEDs. So not really much good info. And everything I seem to be warned against, I've actively seen examples of others doing well on into their 50's.

So, at this point is there anything I should actively avoid due to age, or is it the same trial and error and see what works that everyone in their teens and 20's goes through?

Specifically the gear I have now is Test E 250, Primo 100, Anavar 10mg tabs, Anadrol 50mg tabs. Obviously not all on one cycle and not planning on any for a while. I've been contemplating Deca/NPP but real conflicting info about using that as an old guy. I'm also planning on lowest dose that does something for me, so I'm not planning on going crazy with the dosing.

Any advice?

I’m 51 and take test, primo, npp, hgh. The important thing is to get consistent blood work and take all your ancillaries.

I’d stay away from orals or things like tren. Although some older guys still use that stuff.

 

[wldb33rz]

I’m 51 and take test, primo, npp, hgh. The important thing is to get consistent blood work and take all your ancillaries.

I’d stay away from orals or things like tren. Although some older guys still use that stuff.

For the most part the only 19-nor I'm contemplating is Deca/NPP, I'm too far away from bulking to really dive into that, so it's the only compound that I dont have already in a decent stockpile. So tren isnt even on the table, not really considering EQ either.