Hair Loss

[explodingHeart]

But controlling DHT

Your average bro sees DHT as a sacred cow because social media says so.

They'll inject filthy chinese floater laden oil UG gear into themselves multiple times per week but won't take a safe, well studied pharma drug proven to help prevent cancer.

 

[final_prayer]

Your average bro sees DHT as a sacred cow because social media says so.

They'll inject filthy chinese floater laden oil UG gear into themselves multiple times per week but won't take a safe, well studied pharma drug proven to help prevent cancer.

Well, if one is only considering taking it to save hair it's not the same as taking it to prevent cancer. Don't act as if it's some wonderful drug without some serious sides. Along with making your meat loaf, It's also been proven to increase insulin resistance amongst other things. I definitely hear you on the dirty Chinese oil though as well. Some people have a twisted ideology.

 

[AlexDavis43]

I was looking into dut for prevention, but seeing the libido sides, I'll just start saving for a hair transplant.

I still have a good hair tho, I'm in my 20s, so I should have ten years to save some money. It'll be money well invested, I love my hair.

Libido effects?

It's just a coincidence that the guys on oral DHT inhibitors are also on Cialis Daily and PT141

 

[CubanQuentin]

Save up $3k and go to turkey and get a hair transplant. Fuck all those nasty drugs.

You do realize that if you don't fix the underlying issue that made you go bald in the first place all that shiny new hair from the transplant will fall off again, right?

 

[final_prayer]

You do realize that if you don't fix the underlying issue that made you go bald in the first place all that shiny new hair from the transplant will fall off again, right?

Either A) figure it out and then get a transplant or B)shave whatever is left and stop being a cunt. There's also C) walking around w that ridiculous red light therapy helmet on. People Acting as if big pharma is creating safe drugs to stop hair loss yet all these horrible sides pop up. The same labs that brought us COVID vaccines....pssh...I'm just fine w my receeding hairline.

 

[Orc419]

How long does a normal shedding phase last after starting 5 alpha reductase for hair loss? It's been a few months now and I'm still getting tons of hair falling out daily. I'm really not sure if it's still part of the process of regrowth because it's been going on for quite a while now. Maybe it's actual loss, I don't know how to tell.

 

[Ghoul]

How long does a normal shedding phase last after starting 5 alpha reductase for hair loss? It's been a few months now and I'm still getting tons of hair falling out daily. I'm really not sure if it's still part of the process of regrowth because it's been going on for quite a while now. Maybe it's actual loss, I don't know how to tell.

Loss isn't represented by shed. Hair drops at a certain point in the hair growth cycle. Grow-rest-drop-grow...

5-ARs and Minoxidil reset that cycle causing an early drop and then reentry into growth.

But, shed phase shouldn't last more than a month.

Other things can trigger shed as well. Nutrients, certain meds, stress.

Which AR and dose are you using? How long, and has it been consistant?

Any other new factors in your protocol of compounds used?

 

[Orc419]

Loss isn't represented by shed. Hair drops at a certain point in the hair growth cycle. Grow-rest-drop-grow...

5-ARs and Minoxidil reset that cycle causing an early drop and then reentry into growth.

But, shed phase shouldn't last more than a month.

Other things can trigger shed as well. Nutrients, certain meds, stress.

Which AR and dose are you using? How long, and has it been consistant?

Any other new factors in your protocol of compounds used?

I originally used a topical fin solution and topical minoxidil for about a month, but had horrible libido and ED sides. I then took oral dutasteride and topical minoxidil for a month but had similar sides. Now I have been using topical dutasteride and topical minoxidil for about a month. The sides are largely gone on the topical dutasteride solution but shedding has been consistently very bad since starting the 5 alpha reductase experiments about 3 months ago, with hundreds of hairs falling out daily.

I know I am screwing with my hormones but I had to try different things until I found what worked for me. I think I have a good plan at this point but the hair shedding has still been hitting me mentally. My hair looks noticeably thinned since starting 5 alpha reductase use.

Other than that nothing has been different, nutrition is the same and stress is largely the same as before starting anything. I do take biotin supplements now tho. Maybe it's in my head and I need to keep riding it out. I start to wonder whether or not the hair loss has another cause, but talking to my doctor he said he thinks it is just DHT and this is the protocol I should be on. But also sometimes you're just screwed even with intervention, which I hope isn't the case.

 

[the~club~bro]

im curious about these transplant treatments! from what ive seen on instagram the results are quite impressive.

lets say you decide to get a transplant without having ran any kind of 5AR before.

should you start running dutasteride or finasteride before the treatment? the bro logic inside of me says this could prepare the scalp and potentially provide for a more fertile bed for the transplanted hairs to go into?

my hair loss is quite advanced but simply bringing my hair line forward and increasing the follicle count while continuing to rock my buzz cut is an appealing prospect

 

[Ghoul]

im curious about these transplant treatments! from what ive seen on instagram the results are quite impressive.

lets say you decide to get a transplant without having ran any kind of 5AR before.

should you start running dutasteride or finasteride before the treatment? the bro logic inside of me says this could prepare the scalp and potentially provide for a more fertile bed for the transplanted hairs to go into?

my hair loss is quite advanced but simply bringing my hair line forward and increasing the follicle count while continuing to rock my buzz cut is an appealing prospect

No respectable hair transplant surgeon will perform the procedure without the patient having a clear understanding that a 5-AR is a must. The results without one are horrific, because further loss won't be in the regular "male pattern" but in sick looking patches.

A really good one will tell you to be on a 5-AR for a year first to stabilize your hairline and make your donor follicles as healthy as possible.

The whole "fuck 5-ar's I'll just get a transplant when the time comes" is a brutal misunderstanding of the reality.

The industry does a good job of hiding this fact though. By the time a transplant is considered, most guys are finally willing to use a 5-ar at that point because they're desperate. But the irony is earlier use would be prevented the need for a transplant to begin with.

If nothing else you need to establish whether you can find a tolerable, side effect free dose of 5ARs before committing to a transplant. Some can't seem to so may as well save your cash for a toupee, hat collection, or razor and wax.

 

[the~club~bro]

If nothing else you need to establish whether you can find a tolerable, side effect free dose of 5ARs before committing to a transplant. Some can't seem to so may as well save your cash for a toupee, hat collection, or razor and wax.

yeah this to me seems like a really obvious conclusion to draw immediately. what is the point of the transplant if you are not going to tackle the root cause and address the DHT issue. therefore, before you even commit to a transplant, see if you can run an 5AR successfully, because if you cant, the transplant results are simply going to be transient, fleeting and a waste of money

i know someone going through the consultation process with a turkish clinic and so far they have not brought up the topic of 5AR inhibitors which i think is suspect behaviour. its just obvious to me that a 5AR has to be included otherwise it is a waste of your time and money

 

[Ghoul]

yeah this to me seems like a really obvious conclusion to draw immediately. what is the point of the transplant if you are not going to tackle the root cause and address the DHT issue. therefore, before you even commit to a transplant, see if you can run an 5AR successfully, because if you cant, the transplant results are simply going to be transient, fleeting and a waste of money

i know someone going through the consultation process with a turkish clinic and so far they have not brought up the topic of 5AR inhibitors which i think is suspect behaviour. its just obvious to me that a 5AR has to be included otherwise it is a waste of your time and money

The biggest issue in a that without a 5-AR, existing hair will continue to be lost, while the transplanted hair will stay in place, and it makes you look like you're on chemo, with weird bald spots in a totally unnatural pattern.

And even if you say fuck it. I'm not using a 5-AR, eventually your AAS blown up prostate cuts off your ability to pee, and you end up having to choose between a 5AR (for its original use, prostate reduction) or surgery. Another nightmare that's at least delayed by a 5-AR use,

 

[JuiceStick]

No respectable hair transplant surgeon will perform the procedure without the patient having a clear understanding that a 5-AR is a must. The results without one are horrific, because further loss won't be in the regular "male pattern" but in sick looking patches.

A really good one will tell you to be on a 5-AR for a year first to stabilize your hairline and make your donor follicles as healthy as possible.

The whole "fuck 5-ar's I'll just get a transplant when the time comes" is a brutal misunderstanding of the reality.

The industry does a good job of hiding this fact though. By the time a transplant is considered, most guys are finally willing to use a 5-ar at that point because they're desperate. But the irony is earlier use would be prevented the need for a transplant to begin with.

If nothing else you need to establish whether you can find a tolerable, side effect free dose of 5ARs before committing to a transplant. Some can't seem to so may as well save your cash for a toupee, hat collection, or razor and wax.

I call this BS. I had a 2k unit FUE transplant > 10 years ago for hairline area with no 5-AR. I was happy with the result up until the point when I started having visible hair loss in the crown area. Started fin and oral minoxidil and regrew the crown back in about a year. There was some new density up front as well, but not comparable with the result of transplant. You have about a year to bring back follicle that's gone due to miniaturization. Once it's a shiny bald spot with no hair for over a year, there's not a chance of bringing back hair to satisfactory density without a transplant.

 

[Ghoul]

I call this BS. I had a 2k unit FUE transplant > 10 years ago for hairline area with no 5-AR. I was happy with the result up until the point when I started having visible hair loss in the crown area. Started fin and oral minoxidil and regrew the crown back in about a year. There was some new density up front as well, but not comparable with the result of transplant. You have about a year to bring back follicle that's gone due to miniaturization. Once it's a shiny bald spot with no hair for over a year, there's not a chance of bringing back hair to satisfactory density without a transplant.

Call BS on what? That the existing hair that's blended with donor follicles will now be lost in an unnatural pattern because the donors are DHT resistant and the existing hair is going to be lost to DHT much more quickly?

The clinical consensus is that a hair transplant without 5‑AR inhibition often results in unnatural, patchy outcomes. It's just common sense. What's going to stop the ongoing process of hair loss from DHT? Except now you've got islands where transplanted hair is surviving and existing hair is still receding.



Like I said, the industry doesn't advertise this, and disreputable clinics will be happy to offer a hair transplant to anyone who'll pay because they're not concerned about a hit to their reputation from poor long term results, but no high end surgeon would do it.

For anyone reading this. Before you hop on a plane for that $2k Turkish transplant where the hot chick selling you the procedure promises you don't need to worry about having to use finasteride, find and get a free video consultation from an expensive, top hair transplant surgeon, and ask what they think you should get done, and then spring the finasteride question. Can't hurt to get an opinion from a good surgeon right? No one wants to lose a customer, but they will absolutely tell you finasteride is necessary to maintain your result. Most will tell you to get on it well before the surgery.

(BTW I'm not dissing Turkish hair surgeons. the vast majority will tell you the same thing, except for the bottom of the barrel clinics)

 

[JuiceStick]

It doesn’t take much effort to find pictures of poor hair transplant results (example below). What you posted is one such example, which immediately raises questions about the lack of transplants in the widow’s peak area. The patient wasn’t a suitable candidate for the selected transplant pattern - this reflects the surgeon’s qualifications, not any issues with 5-AR. While I haven’t used Turkish clinics personally, I can’t imagine a reputable clinic would approve the pattern shown in your pictures for someone with diffuse hair loss.

I didn't need 5 AR for 10 years after transplant. I could have lasted longer if I was comfortable with some balding in my crown area. There's no one-size-fits-all approach. Hair loss depends on personal genetics and not everyone looks like the patient in your pictures.

 

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[Jeff2992]

Some of you bros dont care about hair loss, but it can be a big concern for most of us other bros. I'm 35 and I still have a thick and full head of hair. I am not one of those guys who would look good bald or balding. In some of my cycles years ago, I noticed large volumes of hair falling out in the shower during a cycle. This brought me to the point where I would look in the mirror and say, "What good is there in having huge muscles if my hair looks like crap?" So my search began to find the best possible hair solution, which involves stopping hair loss and even reversing it!

Let me just show you the final results (IN ORDER OF IMPORTANCE), and I will comment on each:

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1. AVODART® (Dutasteride) - Dutasteride was developed to help shrink the prostate and was found to have an even more profound effect on regrowing hair than Finasteride! Not only that, it can take care of more of your DHT, it starts working faster, and stays in your system for much longer. 1 to 5 mg ED is all you need, and it also keeps that prostate down during your cycles. In my book, this is a win/win situation.
2. PROPECIA® (Finasteride) - Next to Viagra, this drug may have had one of the all time record advertising budgets. Finasteride is a hair loss prevention / regrowth drug. Recommended dose is 1 mg ED and after 6 to 12 months the user may achieve positive results. The reason I write "big 4" in the title of this thread is that it may not be necessary to use both Dutasteride and Finasteride, although there are no known drug interactions. I say roll with Dutasteride if you can and if not then use Finasteride.
3. ROGAINE® (Minoxidil) - Cheap to buy generic at target in three month supply, Minoxidil blocks DHT on the scalp. After handling DHT within the body via Dutasteride or Finasteride, you can also stop the damage of DHT on the scalp. Use twice a day. I use it after my morning shower and after my workout shower.
4. NIOXIN® (Cleanser, Conditioner, and Treatment) - Use these Nioxin products as your daily shampoo and conditioner. They work on the scalp to ensure that your skin is healthy. Shampoo removes impurities that clog follicles, including DHT. The conditioner keeps the scalp moisturized. The treatment adds botanicals and nutrients to the scalp skin.
5. NIZORAL® (A-D Shampoo) - Ketoconazole, the main ingredient in Nizoral, acts as a relatively mild anti-androgen. (Androgen binds to hair follicles and over time shrinks them down, causing thinner and thinner hair.) Use this shampoo once a week for help with DHT.

This hair regiment is not difficult to maintain, and can provide great results. I went from losing my hair to growing it back! It takes a few months to start working, so for the first 6 months have patience. Passing the 1 to 2 year markers using the "Big 4" regiment should yield significant hair gains, or at the very least put an end to your loss.

This article assumes appropriate nutrition, hydration, and sleep.

Peace,

-bj

good article

 

[appealmaxed]

Is it even possible to lose hair due to AGA when using Test ONLY when using 2.5mg oral Dutasteride every day, RU58841 6% in DMSO solution, as well as topical Dutasteride 0.5% DMSO?

2.5mg Dut is going to take care of most of the DHT at the scalp, and serum obviously. Oral Dutasteride is obviously going to get metabolised, when applying topically you would be skipping that and will make the Dutasteride act directly. Obviously there’s the slight problem of absorption with its molecular weight, but with DMSO that would be less of an issue I think. So the Topical Dutasteride will deal with most of the remaining scalp DHT that wasn’t taken care of by the oral Dutasteride. Then the RU will have an easy time taking care of any scalp Testosterone, as well as “crowding out” any residual DHT at the scalp that wasn’t nuked by either oral or topical Dutasteride.

This is in regards to the usage of Test only (no DHT derivatives etc). To me it sounds like a fool proof way to blast Test only without any concern of hair at all.

 

[NTJuice]

I thought finasteride was always required after a hair transplant. At a minimum, and after getting one I don’t think I’d want to ever not take finasteride in fear of losing anymore hair

 

[CubanQuentin]

I thought finasteride was always required after a hair transplant. At a minimum, and after getting one I don’t think I’d want to ever not take finasteride in fear of losing anymore hair

I mean, just the mechanisms of androgenic alopecia (the most common cause of hair loss) tell you that you should hop on fin/dut after a transplant:
1. androgens on your scalp binding to your hair follicles gave you hair loss
2. you get extra follices on your skull
3. those androgens on your scalp aren't dealt with
4. your shiny new hair follices die like the ones before them did

We don't need the reincarnation of Einstein to tell us what happens if you don't deal with the root issue here