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[BP_6]

My simple question is why? Why use sterile water when BA water is easy to get?

 

[CubanQuentin]

My simple question is why? Why use sterile water when BA water is easy to get?

Laziness

 

[Photon]

My simple question is why? Why use sterile water when BA water is easy to get?

Cheaper.
I can USP grade saline or sterile water significantly cheaper than hospira bac.

 

[Sawisthelaw]

Do any other vendors recommend using sterile water instead of BAC? Is the only reason that is being recommended the weird looking constituted GH?

 

[Ghoul]

Do any other vendors recommend using sterile water instead of BAC? Is the only reason that is being recommended the weird looking constituted GH?

It seems to be the Chinese vendor go to when there's a reconstitution or aggregation issue.

In this case, Sigma said, to prevent the formation of "Flocs", an unusual but accurate term for protein aggregates,

 

[Photon]

It seems to be the Chinese vendor go to when there's a reconstitution or aggregation issue.

In this case, Sigma said, to prevent the formation of "Flocs", an unusual but accurate term for protein aggregates,

It just means its your fault and the peptide is good to go.
Always easier to blame others for doing it wrong or using wrong water than refunding.

They should put "DO NOT USE AMAZON BOUGHT WATER" labels on each vial.

 

[Ghoul]

It just means its your fault and the peptide is good to go.
Always easier to blame others for doing it wrong or using wrong water than refunding.

They should put "DO NOT USE AMAZON BOUGHT WATER" labels on each vial.

I was really hoping they just came back and confirmed the use of an antimicrobial excipient made using BAC unnecessary.

Now we're seeing the MESO harm induction crowd saying we don't need BAC either, lol. Good grief.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Cheaper.
I can USP grade saline or sterile water significantly cheaper than hospira bac.

There is bac saline available too

 

[AGDP]

I'm using some $20 phomemo label printer..but recently I've been thinking of switching to one that can print full sized labels instead..

any in particular? I use the Nimbot at the moment for peptide labels.

 

[CharlesV]

I've reconstituted with sterile water with no BA for over a decade and there has never been any infection issue

that’s not the endorsement you think it is.

 

[CarvinDC125]

I use sterile water with my peptires for 3/4weeks and never had a problem

I saw on Reddit where someone used sterile water on 100 vials of a peptide to study how long it would take for bacteria to set in.
Starting at around the 12 hour mark 1 out of 100 had bacteria (strep, aka staff)
Within 48 hours 50% had bacteria on a micro level.
Within 7 days 99 out of 100 vials were contaminated with bacteria at levels that could cause serious illness.
And this was carried out in an average home environment in a refrigerator that had food on one side and peptides on the other like an average joe would store a vial.
In a second experiment the same was done but in a dedicated peptides fridge.
The end results were the same but delayed by 24 hrs instead of 12
Hints under perfect conditions you have 24 hrs before bacteria growth begins in most cases when using sterile water.

 

[Ghoul]

I saw on Reddit where someone used sterile water on 100 vials of a peptide to study how long it would take for bacteria to set in.
Starting at around the 12 hour mark 1 out of 100 had bacteria (strep, aka staff)
Within 48 hours 50% had bacteria on a micro level.
Within 7 days 99 out of 100 vials were contaminated with bacteria at levels that could cause serious illness.
And this was carried out in an average home environment in a refrigerator that had food on one side and peptides on the other like an average joe would store a vial.
In a second experiment the same was done but in a dedicated peptides fridge.
The end results were the same but delayed by 24 hrs instead of 12
Hints under perfect conditions you have 24 hrs before bacteria growth begins in most cases when using sterile water.

Jano mentioned 20% of the peptides he's tested were not sterile. Keep in mind that test only checks for a handful of common bacteria, not all, so the rate is likely higher.

But you're wasting your breath with the "and it was fine" crowd here.

They're the MESO equivalent of the "My grandfather smoked two packs a day and lived to 95" guys who use that as a retort to claims cigarette smoking is harmful.

Just ask what "it was fine" means. Invariably it means nothing happened within a short time after the injection.

 

[Ateam2023]

It seems to be the Chinese vendor go to when there's a reconstitution or aggregation issue.

In this case, Sigma said, to prevent the formation of "Flocs", an unusual but accurate term for protein aggregates,

Imo , its a "grade school term" for clumping, them trying to sound sofisticated when its just bs, if hgh doesn't dissolve properly with bac water , then ?

 

[BP_6]

Cheaper.
I can USP grade saline or sterile water significantly cheaper than hospira bac.

May be true, but to that I would say if you can afford peptides, you can afford some decent BAC water.

 

[Ghoul]

Imo , its a "grade school term" for clumping, them trying to sound sofisticated when its just bs, if hgh doesn't dissolve properly with bac water , then ?

Then it's most likely structurally damaged rHGH forming instant aggregates that happen to be in the visible size range.

If we had super vision that could see particulates below 100um I'm certain there would be a lot more "cloudy" vials. A vial filled with invisible 50um aggregates is no better than one with 100um+ that are visible,

Soon there will be an accessible, affordable method of checking structure, and not just chemical purity, which will be a game changer in terms of distinguishing quality rHGH from carelessly made batches.

 

[verylargeshoes]

Cheaper.
I can USP grade saline or sterile water significantly cheaper than hospira bac.

Benzyl alcohol is pretty cheap - around $25/liter. I'd make some "homebrew" BAC with it if cost was the issue. In fact, I mistakenly bought a bunch of sterile water a long time ago, and I'm thinking of using it that way when my Hospira runs out.

I mean, why not? We're all compounding pharmacists now.

 

[Ghoul]

Benzyl alcohol is pretty cheap - around $25/liter. I'd make some "homebrew" BAC with it if cost was the issue. In fact, I mistakenly bought a bunch of sterile water a long time ago, and I'm thinking of using it that way when my Hospira runs out.

I mean, why not? We're all compounding pharmacists now.

At least use Sterile Water for Injection.

Sterile water means no living microorganisms. It can still be, and likely is, filled with endotoxins and other dead bacterial and particulate trash that's difficult to remove. Sterile WFI means it's gone through a much more comprehensive process to purify it to an acceptable standard for injection.

Water for Pharmaceutical Use

Drugs, Biologics, Medical Devices

www.fda.gov

 

[CarvinDC125]

There has been this fear mongering that vials without bac water will immediately grow bacteria

You are injecting sterile water into a sterile vial so the likelihood of this is minimal. Sure if you're doing it time and time again over months there is a bigger risk, but for a vial that you will use in a few weeks it will be fine

I've reconstituted with sterile water with no BA for over a decade and there has never been any infection issue

Man I don’t know.
My cousin is a nurse and I’ve seen what happens if you inject something with a bad bacteria in it.
You can literally lose a leg or arm.
Sure might be a in in 1000 chance but that’s still enough for me to play it safe.
Everywhere I’ve read says BAC won’t hurt HGH

 

[IndividualMan]

Benzyl alcohol is pretty cheap - around $25/liter. I'd make some "homebrew" BAC with it if cost was the issue. In fact, I mistakenly bought a bunch of sterile water a long time ago, and I'm thinking of using it that way when my Hospira runs out.

I mean, why not? We're all compounding pharmacists now.

make sure it is sterile water for injection specifically, otherwise i wouldnst trust it. its ~ 25 bucks a liter

 

[Ateam2023]

Homemade bac water is easy to make,, get some "good" water and add some "filtered ba" and you are g2g,, Hookup is in the top right hand corner on the bottle,,