Help me design my cycle

[GigaAryenmogger]

Alright so I want to do a long ass cycle going from autunm to like spring ( like 20-28 weeks cycle ) bulking basically

Rn I am 12% 80 kg, will prolly lean down to 10% by the end of the summer recomping a bit.

And I wanted to know you guys opinion and what cycle would be best suited to maximise masculinization during that cycle ( along side the anabolism )
I want to maximise masculization as I come from the wellknown looksmax.org and in need of a slightly wider jaw/face ( my first cycle im currently doing is affecting it so I know it does affect me )

I could do test only at 600mg-1g

Test+EQ ( 1 to 1 ratio so 300mg-500mg each )

Dont wanna do dht derivative cuz of price and hard to source

and my source doesnt have nandrolone left

I'll use 5ar inhibitor, the diuretics I need to counteract test bloat and aromasin

 

[BigDadd7]

This will be your second cycle and and you want to run it for 7 months?

 

[Grey Spartan]

I have found for long cycles its best to tapper up the dose to keep health markers in check and side effects to a minimum.

 

[GigaAryenmogger]

This will be your second cycle and and you want to run it for 7 months?

I ll probably do a pause during christmas

I have found for long cycles its best to tapper up the dose to keep health markers in check and side effects to a minimum.

yes that was what I meant, start at around 500 mg titrating up to maybe 1g ( theorycal )

 

[Bandern]

Looksmaxing? You mean being a woman?

You don’t need steroids you need Jesus and manual labor

 

[GigaAryenmogger]

Looksmaxing? You mean being a woman?

You don’t need steroids you need Jesus and manual labor

looksmaxxing is heavily correlated with BB and steroid forums. Just answer the thread

 

[glpfun]

Looksmaxxing is a disease. It’s bringing a whole different crowd here that doesn’t gaf about anything but looking like people they see on social media at any cost

 

[glpfun]

Run a gram of estradiol

 

[GigaAryenmogger]

Looksmaxxing is a disease. It’s bringing a whole different crowd here that doesn’t gaf about anything but looking like people they see on social media at any cost

sure. Tho it improved heavily my life quality

 

[BigDadd7]

Keep that incel shit on reddit

 

[rexy]

I'll use 5ar inhibitor, the diuretics I need to counteract test bloat and aromasin

Then you are already using the ancilliaries most people utilise EQ/Mast/Primo for, so just stick to test only. Ramp up to the dose you can tolerate before markers decline or sides become problematic.

Then, do the hard work, get your training absolutely nailed on, keep on the nutrition - tight as a nuns proverbial, and scale up doses as and when necessary. Determined by progress or lack of, in terms of progressive overload and look in the mirror.

Keep it simple.

 

[Bandern]

looksmaxxing is heavily correlated with BB and steroid forums. Just answer the thread

I’ll “just answer the thread” when you start bodybuilding to become less handsome, like the rest of us. Be well!!

 

[GigaAryenmogger]

Then you are already using the ancilliaries most people utilise EQ/Mast/Primo for, so just stick to test only. Ramp up to the dose you can tolerate before markers decline or sides become problematic.

Then, do the hard work, get your training absolutely nailed on, keep on the nutrition - tight as a nuns proverbial, and scale up doses as and when necessary. Determined by progress or lack of, in terms of progressive overload and look in the mirror.

Keep it simple.

Thanks for the concise response. As of scaling up the doses should I rather do as much I can tolerate or start as said low/moderate and try to get the most of it before upping it up.
Also what starting dosage would you say is good for a second cycle?

 

[rexy]

Thanks for the concise response. As of scaling up the doses should I rather do as much I can tolerate or start as said low/moderate and try to get the most of it before upping it up.
Also what starting dosage would you say is good for a second cycle?

Depends on your goals, risk tolerance, and how much experience you have with your training and nutrition imo. I view it a little differently than most; I think it scales more with that than starting weight. To be consise, I'd say only do the low/moderate if you haven't nailed the other variables down pat so you can just execute them.

I want to emphasise this: don't be going full pelt with doses if the other variables aren't down pat - you're just wasting extra mgs.

For someone who has been training for years and has their routine down, knows exactly what exercises work for them, and they can set a routine on rinse and repeat, imo just ramp to tolerance and progress as you can. As doses scale with overall size, you kind of build in a rate limiter, because if you take too much, well that's what the intolerance and negative markers are showing you via feedback for your own physiology - rather than going off of someone elses numbers or thinking 'xmg is too much'.

If, on the other hand, you still need to nail those variables, such as what really works for you training wise, nutrition wise (which can take years for both), then you take a more risk-averse approach and maybe then start at what bloodwork shows is physiological and push it once you have all the variables strongly down pat. In the meantime, finetune your response to testosterone at 300-600mg, and maybe toy with a few extra compounds to see your response before you go for long push sessions in future. You set youself up for success that way.

 

[GigaAryenmogger]

Depends on your goals, risk tolerance, and how much experience you have with your training and nutrition imo. I view it a little differently than most; I think it scales more with that than starting weight. To be consise, I'd say only do the low/moderate if you haven't nailed the other variables down pat so you can just execute them.

I want to emphasise this: don't be going full pelt with doses if the other variables aren't down pat - you're just wasting extra mgs.

For someone who has been training for years and has their routine down, knows exactly what exercises work for them, and they can set a routine on rinse and repeat, imo just ramp to tolerance and progress as you can. As doses scale with overall size, you kind of build in a rate limiter, because if you take too much, well that's what the intolerance and negative markers are showing you via feedback for your own physiology - rather than going off of someone elses numbers or thinking 'xmg is too much'.

If, on the other hand, you still need to nail those variables, such as what really works for you training wise, nutrition wise (which can take years for both), then you take a more risk-averse approach and maybe then start at what bloodwork shows is physiological and push it once you have all the variables strongly down pat. In the meantime, finetune your response to testosterone at 300-600mg, and maybe toy with a few extra compounds to see your response before you go for long push sessions in future. You set youself up for success that way.

Make sens. Thanks for the insights appreciate it greatly. My training is on point the only part kinda lacking is diet as I struggle to eat a lot right now ( probably due to my recent glp1 use which kinda fucked my relationship with food which was good before )
I’ll fix that

I’ll most likely try compounds with the test to see my response to each of them.

 

[Sicsemptyran]

best suited to maximise masculinization

I want to maximise masculization

Dont wanna do dht derivative cuz of price and hard to source

I'll use 5ar inhibitor

DHT is the most masculinizing hormone in the male body, it’s why all our masculine features exist and grow during puberty and women’s do not.

Yet you don’t want to use a DHT derivative, want to block the production of all DHT with a 5AR, and oh by the way want to maximize masculinization?

I think that’s a dumb goal, to be entirely frank, but in an attempt to help you achieve your dumb goal… You need highly androgenic hormones, the #1 being DHT.

Fair warning this is also responsible for a large part of the acne, prostate growth, skin aging, RHR impact, etc of AAS.

 

[rexy]

I’ll most likely try compounds with the test to see my response to each of them.

I did the same during the first 2-3 years. Whilst getting my training and nutrition together, I utilised the time to see how certain compounds responded with me, and have tried all injectibles and numerous orals.

I basically narrowed it down to 2: Test and Tren, where Tren is just 100mg or so. That's it.

You do yourself a massive favour learning what works for you and compound tolerances. I found from almost day 1 that nandrolone cannot come within sniffing distance, for example.

So f*ck it, I'll leverage what i can. You get better results focusing on the long-term, than using something extreme for 4-12 weeks and blowing your ass out, rendering a 3-6m recovery because you blew your blood markers and physiology to hell attempting what doesn't agree with you.

 

[IndividualMan]

Alright so I want to do a long ass cycle going from autunm to like spring ( like 20-28 weeks cycle ) bulking basically

Rn I am 12% 80 kg, will prolly lean down to 10% by the end of the summer recomping a bit.

And I wanted to know you guys opinion and what cycle would be best suited to maximise masculinization during that cycle ( along side the anabolism )
I want to maximise masculization as I come from the wellknown looksmax.org and in need of a slightly wider jaw/face ( my first cycle im currently doing is affecting it so I know it does affect me )

I could do test only at 600mg-1g

Test+EQ ( 1 to 1 ratio so 300mg-500mg each )

Dont wanna do dht derivative cuz of price and hard to source

and my source doesnt have nandrolone left

I'll use 5ar inhibitor, the diuretics I need to counteract test bloat and aromasin

if you wanna make your jaw/face more masculine, try subL application of test base/DHT powder.

Running up your dose will absolutely molest your face. Seriously. On one hand, more mass = more baseline bloat, but the dose itself also turns your head into a squishy sphere.

On the EQ dose, try doing 3:1 at first, if you can handle that, you can run the EQ higher. EQ Anhedonia is no joke, it is what I personally dread the most in my upcoming cycle.

you already said it, but save your money on DHT derivatives, especially at the moment. if you can afford it, add GH. I thought I was too broke for GH, but it is below 2 bucks a day for a pretty good dose with some of the sources here, and it will give you extra size (and bloat, so be wary).

So: I would start out at ~300 test 100 EQ (very similar stats to you atm, planned a very similar cycle out in a log earlier this year, lost some BF% since then)
and then just run it up from there every 8 weeks or so. do not go above 1.5ish grams, thats just asking for trouble, especially as someone our size

 

[GigaAryenmogger]

if you wanna make your jaw/face more masculine, try subL application of test base/DHT powder.

Running up your dose will absolutely molest your face. Seriously. On one hand, more mass = more baseline bloat, but the dose itself also turns your head into a squishy sphere.

On the EQ dose, try doing 3:1 at first, if you can handle that, you can run the EQ higher. EQ Anhedonia is no joke, it is what I personally dread the most in my upcoming cycle.

you already said it, but save your money on DHT derivatives, especially at the moment. if you can afford it, add GH. I thought I was too broke for GH, but it is below 2 bucks a day for a pretty good dose with some of the sources here, and it will give you extra size (and bloat, so be wary).

So: I would start out at ~300 test 100 EQ (very similar stats to you atm, planned a very similar cycle out in a log earlier this year, lost some BF% since then)
and then just run it up from there every 8 weeks or so. do not go above 1.5ish grams, thats just asking for trouble, especially as someone our size

You can manage bloat by manipulating the estrogen, aldosterone and sodium pathways. In other words eplerenone + hctz then manage E

SubL of raw test ? Why would it work differently than injecting test it still go systematic no ? I’ve heard about some test gel but those are dosed very low and hard to find.

 

[GigaAryenmogger]

DHT is the most masculinizing hormone in the male body, it’s why all our masculine features exist and grow during puberty and women’s do not.

Yet you don’t want to use a DHT derivative, want to block the production of all DHT with a 5AR, and oh by the way want to maximize masculinization?

I think that’s a dumb goal, to be entirely frank, but in an attempt to help you achieve your dumb goal… You need highly androgenic hormones, the #1 being DHT.

Fair warning this is also responsible for a large part of the acne, prostate growth, skin aging, RHR impact, etc of AAS.

You are wrong, DHT is surely androgenic but the derivatives it has have a low androgenic ratio, lower than test.

Not to mention dht is mostly used to develop ur dih and hair.

You can get huge androgen activation thought test or other anabolics without its dht side effect aka bad skin, hair loss and all that you’ve mention