FWiW. Finasteride 1mg safer than both of these.
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BamaCrazy
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Absolutely. EO has been safely used for years in gear. Most of the Chinese oils have it in there. Even when it makes no sense. Like JY’s Test E. There is around 22% EO in his Test E according to him. It keeps it thinner and easier to pull and pin.
But a good brewer doesn’t need it. Personally I get my Test from a Domestic source so I know what’s in the stuff I’m injecting. This cycle all three compounds I’ll be using are Domestic from sources I trust.
I’m not a healthy dude.
Am I risking myself even more by injecting something with EO?
Thanks bro.
BamaCrazy
Banned
If you are concerned with your health then no, avoid EO. Or try it, get some labs, look at liver/kidney function, CRP, and CBC and see if your body is reacting to the solvent. I learned that the pip I get from all Primo was causing my CRP and white blood cell levels to raise.
Ghoul
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"There is a growing body of research literature that implicates FAEEs such as ethyl oleate as the toxic mediators of ethanol in the body (pancreas, liver, heart, and brain). Among the speculations is that ethyl oleate may be the toxic mediator of alcohol in fetal alcohol syndrome. The oral ingestion of ethyl oleate has been carefully studied and due to rapid degradation in the digestive tract, it appears safe for oral ingestion. Ethyl oleate is not currently approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for any injectable use.
The original formulation of Testosterone Undecanoate had to replace EO with Castor oil and BB to get FDA approval.
Anyway, as long as you aren't pregnant, don't use alcohol and drink instead of injecting EO you'll be fine.
bananafeet
Member
Some of the worst PIP and reactions I've had is Primoteston Depot prefilled syringes. I think it's 20% BB or something ridiculous in castor oil.
"There is a growing body of research literature that implicates FAEEs such as ethyl oleate as the toxic mediators of ethanol in the body (pancreas, liver, heart, and brain). Among the speculations is that ethyl oleate may be the toxic mediator of alcohol in fetal alcohol syndrome. The oral ingestion of ethyl oleate has been carefully studied and due to rapid degradation in the digestive tract, it appears safe for oral ingestion. Ethyl oleate is not currently approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for any injectable use.
The original formulation of Testosterone Undecanoate had to replace EO with Castor oil and BB to get FDA approval.
Anyway, as long as you aren't pregnant, don't use alcohol and drink instead of injecting EO you'll be fine.
I don't think BB is that great for you either.
I think if you are injecting CCs of gear per week the EO it contains is the least of your worries. It's a fatty acid. It's not gluicol...
Anecdotally I get less site reactions with EO gear. If you're doing TRT then I don't think the small amount of EO will have much effect.
The primo had EO or no? Would you use gear with EO?
BamaCrazy
Banned
The Primo had no solvents in it. It’s Stan’s Primo 200 MCT and 150 GSO. I just have terrible reactions to Primo regardless of source.
I’ve used many oils with EO. Most China oils have it. EO doesn’t give me issues and my labs look normal. So far only Primo, TNE, guaiacol and Miglyol 840 cause me issues with pip and elevated levels on my labs.
MIG 840 and Guaicol mess me up agreed. Primo is the only injectable I’ve never tried. DHB was super painful and CRP NIGHTSMARE
Wkind
Banned
Why not get healthy first before running this stuff? Just test and a mild oral like tbol/var or npp/primo would probably be a less threat on your health than eq.. or just test
yep. This source even had eo in their testosterone grape seed products. No issues for me with eo but I agree most Chinese factories use it for everything.
Anyone figure out why the Chinese still use it ? One source said to prevent crashing. Is that the real reason ?
dick_starbuck
Member
Its probably alot easier to use as far as mass production goes. Most domestic sources are boutique spots in comparison, much smaller operations with more attention to detail.
The larger chinese labs producing hepius are likely larger "factories" with lower skilled brewers. Think wonderbread vs sourdough from a baker.
They're both bread but... well you get it.
I think that’s debatable. Some factories have all machines making their oils with proper sterilization and what not. Some have posted videos. Which seem many many steps above the average joe dirt American source brewing vials in his garage or basement with no proof of a laminar flow hood.
Photon
Member
Have you guys tried normal MIG840 products? (e,g Test, Eq, etc)
Not the ones used for PWO like TNE/Injectable orals? These in general have much higher solvents and give PIP by itself..
AFAIK most vendors don't use it (it's significantly more expensive)
dick_starbuck
Member
If you think that chinese factories are run to the same degree of cleanliness that they post in videos specifically made for what I will call "propaganda" purposes, youre out of your mind.
Im sure Stan is paying more attention than whatever assembly line is producing Hepius etc. Im basing that purely on the number of times ive seen a bunch of crap floating in my CN UGL vials vs US Domestic producers. Proof is in the pudding sometimes.
Whose the cn ugl that gave you oils with crap floating in them ?
I’ve never had any floaters in any of my cn ugl vials, ever.
Never used Stan. What’s his set up look like ? Was it on the same level as the “propaganda purposes”, at least ?
Maybe I’ll have to check it out and see what a real lab looks like ?
dick_starbuck
Member
Half of the bottles of hepius ive gotten from GGB and WWB have crap floating in it. Ive posted about it several times.
QSC had a floater issue as well if I recall correctly.
I dont know or care what anyone's set up looks like. It doesn't matter what it "looks like". It matters if they are paying attention or not. Attention to detail is easy for someone making 100 bottles of test. Its significantly more challenging for making thousands of bottles at a time in an environment which is more than likely NOT a pharma factory.
I dont think anyone besides you thinks the pictures/videos these CN sellers post are anything more than stock images. You think Heibi Wangfu or Wang Dang Do Dong whatever really has a factory?
Yes it must be way easier. Definitely wouldn't ever mix up primo with another compound. I see what you mean. Thanks !
bananafeet
Member
The early Yura stuff resembled the QSC oil with floaters. The newer stuff (stromusc) was all clean for me with no floaters.
I refilter everything and put into new vials because I feel like it's a simple and painless harm reduction step.
They would have to have some kind of factory due to the sheer volume of product. Literally 100,000s of vials I'd imagine.
They'd need at least an automatic bottling and capping machine.
I'm sure boutique labs exist but how many of them are just repackaged China gear anyway.
