Yeah but ment has 1000% side effects attached to it, so yeah can be used to raise E2 but it's not healthy long term compared to inject estradiol directly
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EQ is fucking awesome tho, that's why I'm trying to find a way to run it at 1G with Primo without having to run 2G of test just to offset the low estrogen problem
Eddie.
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Will not be able to test the blast before October however. I need to cruise for a while to give my body a rest but I can still play with it during cruise
To start testing the water
Consider creating a log when you start the blast man. You can deffo test it with something like 140 test and 300 primo for example in your cruise. It's interesting no doubt, you know your body and your limits. For me at my level it seems unnecessary going that route since i haven't found the upper limit of test. I've gone up to 600mg with zero issues (yes i know it's moderate) and if it's the same when i hit 1gr - 1,2gr then fine. If sides from test occur then exogenous e2 might be the only way to push e2 suppressive compounds like EQ or primo.
I have no problem with high Test at all, I have gone up to 1.2/1.3 with no issue but my issue is the total load. To run EQ 1G and primo 400/600mg I'm already at 1.4/1.6g of total dosage and without external estradiol I need 2G of test to have a healthy level of E2.
I don't want to run 3.5+ G of gear.
That's why I wanna try this road.
Yeah I'll try that in my cruise! Fucking great idea! 150mg test and 300mg primo will murder my E2 so I can try the estradiol in the meantime!
glpfun
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Primo is close enough on its own, more interested if it gives you a distinct look otherwise doesn’t seem worth it
If you find the key ima copy it lol!
EQ is a staple and easy to add to lots of cycles so I’m game to try something new to be able to put it in
Eddie.
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Yeah of course it makes sense. 3,5gr especially for lifestyle user is unnecessarily high.
Othwerwise you could go yolo and run a cycle like that guru uncle broderick chavez who ran TRT dose of test with close to 3gr primo lol. I mean, it was ages ago and obviously ppl didn't know better but damn, imagine how that felt.
So I can break all my joints lifting 10kgs? XD
No thank you ahahah
Yeah exactly for a no one like me running that much is not really smart and neither effective anyway.
So if I can keep total load of AAS down but being able to use these two substances that I quite like (if it wasn't for the crashed estrogen) it's on paper a great plan, we will see how it goes in reality ahah
Plus it kills completely the pain of E2 management when you have found your estradiol dosage if you don't add aromatizing substances you can just add anything you want without having to fiddle with AI plus I fucking hate aromasin/arimidex and it's one less drug to take. At least in my mind it must be healthier to inject estradiol than taking a cancer drug like those
rexy
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Reading what @Para_33 has done in the past, alongside watching some of his recent YT appearances, he certainly saw great results with exogenous E and using Primo, Deca, Tren and Boldenone solo or in combination alongside it as the main compounds.
Granted, two of the cycles he recently ran were 3g Boldenone Cyp, and 1.9g Boldenone Cyp with 900mg DHB. I've noticed he has always ran high doses, so the question of whether his idea on SHBG reduction helped speed the gains up, i'm not so sure of considering his dosages are so high anyway.
But he's always had a point about using exogenous E2 to at least guarantee one thing; once you get your ideal injectible E2 dose dialled, no f*cker is changing that and you can guarantee it's stability and dose non-aromatisables however you want. There is something to be said for that alone, regardless of whether it's actually a 'better' option for gains. I think I'm going to try it myself just to experience it.
Granted, just to make it clear, he does acknowledge he's not claiming it's only way, nor that the SHBG reduction from avoiding testosterone were the primary cause of his rapid gains - just so I don't misrepresent him.
Granted, two of the cycles he recently ran were 3g Boldenone Cyp, and 1.9g Boldenone Cyp with 900mg DHB. I've noticed he has always ran high doses, so the question of whether his idea on SHBG reduction helped speed the gains up, i'm not so sure of considering his dosages are so high anyway.
But he's always had a point about using exogenous E2 to at least guarantee one thing; once you get your ideal injectible E2 dose dialled, no f*cker is changing that and you can guarantee it's stability and dose non-aromatisables however you want. There is something to be said for that alone, regardless of whether it's actually a 'better' option for gains. I think I'm going to try it myself just to experience it.
Granted, just to make it clear, he does acknowledge he's not claiming it's only way, nor that the SHBG reduction from avoiding testosterone were the primary cause of his rapid gains - just so I don't misrepresent him.
Thank you man ! That was a very good representation, I appreciate that.
I still stand by acknowledgement of shbg being potentially not a factor, and if it it’s, not being the only factor in my rapid growth.
As for the high doses factor, in my controlled experiments on myself I’ve used high doses like this with both high and low shbg stacks. For example running high dose boldenone+e2 high, does lower shbg significantly, and resulted in a ~5 nmol/l shbg ( have actual data but pulling from memory). And compared it to a same dose stack of nandorlone solo +e2 ( double digits and still increasing shbg ). My body part measurements, weight, strength numbers and progress rate increase measurably with a higher vs lower shbg. I’ve alternated back and forth by deliberate shbg reducing stacks then shbg increasing stacks and vice versa.
So I will admit that I’ve had goodie it. But I also try to keep things in perspective still. As I’ve had other people replicate the results now, that has further increased my confidence. I am still looking to falsify it because that’s how to test things rigorously. It’s def encouraging to hear from a 15 year vet competitor that they always felt they never got the response they expected from gear until they ran my shbg protocol, and achieving their all time biggest size by 20lb at age 50’s.
rexy
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That's some great feedback to support it! Thanks for responding.
Have you tried MENT in place of injectible E2 at any point? I'm giving that a go now whilst i wait on some ECyp to arrive, but have only just started, and my last testosterone dose is still to fully clear so it's not a fair comparison yet.
Do you feel that could be another option to run with the compounds for an estrogen source that increases SHBG in place of test, if the user tolerates it? Granted it's potentially harder to manage and it's methylestrogen, but the upside is additional anabolism from the compound.
I've started 30mg Ralox ED alongside it because I've heard so many horror stores, but so far I'm doing 12.5mg MENT everyday alongside 50mg Tren A, and will ramp it up as the testosterone clears. No issues so far and strength/reps are progressing workout-to-workout above my average progression on my usual standard cycle of 600 Test/200 Tren
NotNattyDaddy
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Dawson Weiss aka DTren is running I believe 250mg test e, 1000mg primo & 4 mg of estradiol valerate every day. Says the added e2 has improved everything. Just interesting to see more people cycling with lower test and still getting great results.
bananafeet
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His skin looks great. I don't follow him closely but has he ever disclosed his blood E2 levels?
knucklesamich
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I ran Trest/MENT and EQ once. Damn man, that's the most I've ever grown in a single cycle. EQ did a pretty good job of keeping down estrogen. EQ, Primo, and Estrogen shots= next level bro! If you do this, I bet you grow like a mofo!
LGOP528
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Test ment and EQ is by far my favorite as well. You do need a longer ester. With ace I could tell a difference in the evenings.
knucklesamich
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Right? Trest has a ridiculous anabolic/androgenic ratio. It might create a lot of estrogen, but that EQ knocks it down!
Also, to elaborate on the cycle I had done, I didn't mention the Testosterone, I just assume most of us include it. I do, no matter what, in every cycle.
It was awesome!
rexy
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What dosages guys? I'm currently using 12.5mg MENT ED to test tolerance. So far so good. In the background is a titrating level of TRT which I was going to let clear to rotate E-Cyp in for. Tren Ace is 50mg ED also.
LGOP528
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Test E 550
Trest E 245
Bold cyp 350
Looking back at my notes, I was using 130 ug sema and 2 mg Reta EOD because I could have eaten us out of house and home. Also I was still fighting high E2 looks like I was using small primo shots and AIs strategically.
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rexy
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Appreciate the detail and you looking back at your notes. I am on Sema at the same time. Also have Reta that I've not used.
I'm using ralox as insurance whilst I see how MENT treats me - alongside 12.5mg Asin on occasion - but I have a few vials of primo on hand which I could use as you did here if needed, so thanks for the tip.
Well like the true scientific pioneer (idiot?) that I am, I'm going to start injecting .2mg estradiol cypionate per day for the next week or so.
I've got low energy, not a lot of sex drive (but perfectly functioning junk), would like to see if I could improve those a bit.
If no sides/felt impact, I'll slowly up it.
Thinking I likely have low E2, due to my test/primo/eq cycle currently.
I could throw dbol in there but I dont want any orals right now.
Could up my hcg, but I feel best on about 1000mcg per week.
Could up my test lower my primo or eq, but I dont want to.
I'll report back with my giant anime tiddies.
I've got low energy, not a lot of sex drive (but perfectly functioning junk), would like to see if I could improve those a bit.
If no sides/felt impact, I'll slowly up it.
Thinking I likely have low E2, due to my test/primo/eq cycle currently.
I could throw dbol in there but I dont want any orals right now.
Could up my hcg, but I feel best on about 1000mcg per week.
Could up my test lower my primo or eq, but I dont want to.
I'll report back with my giant anime tiddies.
