Best compound to stack with tren for lean dry muscle gains

[rippedchimp]

What would be the best compound to stack to test and tren cycle for maximizing lean muscle gain ? I’m looking to a recomp.

First 12 weeks
Test 500mg/week
Tren 400mg/week

Second 12 weeks
Test 250mg/week
Tren 100mg/week

I don’t want compound that just increase water retention and glycogen , I want real muscle gain.
As per my research Mast would not be good for gaining size but 600mg/week of primo would ?

 

[accidentaljedi173]

Your diet should establish lean gains not tren for 24 weeks.

 

[rippedchimp]

Your diet should establish lean gains not tren for 24 weeks.

220gprotien 250gcarb 20gfat, adding carbs and fats as I get leaner to keep gaining or maintaining weight as I loose body fat.

 

[Jankauskas]

You’re aware that 400 mg of Tren is basically equivalent to 1.2 grams of test

 

[accidentaljedi173]

220gprotien 250gcarb 20gfat, adding carbs and fats as I get leaner to keep gaining or maintaining weight as I loose body fat.

Your adding carbs to get leaner?

 

[RockyP]

that's a lot of tren. My suggestion would be to start with Test / Mast E or Test / Primo for 16 - 18weeks then swap out the mast / primo for tren and run that with test for 6 - 8 weeks. As for the tren dosing, like I said, that's a lot of tren. The 90's guys weren't kidding when they said they ran 2, MAYBE 3 amps of parabolan per week (for a whopping 228 mg total per week). Personally I sit between 225 - 255 lbs and I dont go more than 35 - 70 mg of tren PER WEEK. It's not just to avoid side effects, it's because it's so f'in powerful you don't need that much.

Oh and one more thing - it sounds like you've not run Mast or Primo before - they can (at reasonable dosages) really dunk on your lipids. Tren impacts everyone a little differently, it's not horrible for lipids but it's not exactly stellar either. I'd make sure your pre-cycle bloodwork (and blood pressure) is pristine and that you have ancillaries on hand. Might even be good to hop on a statin drug to keep your LDL as low as possible while on cycle as your HDL is going to (likely) take a big hit.

EDIT: Could also do EQ in place of the Mast or Primo with the Test

 

[dinfar1337]

What would be the best compound to stack to test and tren cycle for maximizing lean muscle gain ? I’m looking to a recomp.

First 12 weeks
Test 500mg/week
Tren 400mg/week

Second 12 weeks
Test 250mg/week
Tren 100mg/week

I don’t want compound that just increase water retention and glycogen , I want real muscle gain.
As per my research Mast would not be good for gaining size but 600mg/week of primo would ?

anything above 300mg tren you will always get insane initial strength boost within 3-6 weeks of it. that was what i saw with my first 5 cycles ish above 300. now i need more for the same boost but the boost keeps getting smaller everytime

now i wouldn't recommend tren to anyone not bulking, such a powerful compound. such a waste to use it on cutting, just fucking do cutting or recomping on trt.

tren will put all your fucking nutrients into muscle. its like running insulin. get your free t4/t3 numbers right and you'll be a metabolic machine on tren

 

[RockyP]

anything above 300mg tren you will always get insane initial strength boost within 3-6 weeks of it. that was what i saw with my first 5 cycles ish above 300. now i need more for the same boost but the boost keeps getting smaller everytime

now i wouldn't recommend tren to anyone not bulking, such a powerful compound. such a waste to use it on cutting, just fucking do cutting or recomping on trt.

tren will put all your fucking nutrients into muscle. its like running insulin. get your free t4/t3 numbers right and you'll be a metabolic machine on tren

Tren can kill appetite for some, and the strength, anabolism, and anti-catabolism that it provides is also very ideal deep into a cut and / or for contest prep. You can maintain strength / intensity in the gym on minimal calories. Because it is harsh even at modest dosages, and because there are several other compounds that are milder, can be run longer / better tolerated, and come with some (welcome) water retention during a bulk, they can be preferable to some (I'm thinking of nandrolone for the most part - can't run a ton of it but it makes you big and strong and makes your joints / connective tissue seem like they're carbon fiber).

 

[RaddishPork]

If you're not well above 200lbs lean you don't need 400mg of tren. Muscle mass is muscle mass. Different compounds don't decide if it's going to be "lean" muscle or not - your diet does.

Test, Primo, Mast, Var... If you absolutely insist on using tren. throw it at the end when you're in a steep deficit.

If you want to keep gains good with as little fat as possible you need to micromanage your calories and macros every single meal. Test + DHT AAS + Var can get you looking shredded as hell if you plan it right.

 

[dinfar1337]

Tren can kill appetite for some, and the strength, anabolism, and anti-catabolism that it provides is also very ideal deep into a cut and / or for contest prep. You can maintain strength / intensity in the gym on minimal calories. Because it is harsh even at modest dosages, and because there are several other compounds that are milder, can be run longer / better tolerated, and come with some (welcome) water retention during a bulk, they can be preferable to some (I'm thinking of nandrolone for the most part - can't run a ton of it but it makes you big and strong and makes your joints / connective tissue seem like they're carbon fiber).

thank you for the insight, i expect him to tolerate tren well since he isnt afraid to dose it like a normal steroid instead of dosing it lower than average anadrol user!

 

[RockyP]

thank you for the insight, i expect him to tolerate tren well since he isnt afraid to dose it like a normal steroid instead of dosing it lower than average anadrol user!

Yes, he isn't afraid to take more than the biggest, best professional bodybuilders of the 90's. I'm sure he, and you, are bigger, stronger, better than the pro's in every way.

 

[sionnach]

Your diet should establish lean gains not tren for 24 weeks.

What the Jedi said. And the one you posted ain't gonna do it unless you're setting a new world record on consecutive marathons

Tren can kill appetite for some

Really depends on which tren demon you get stuck with.

 

[dinfar1337]

If you're not well above 200lbs lean you don't need 400mg of tren. Muscle mass is muscle mass. Different compounds don't decide if it's going to be "lean" muscle or not - your diet does.

Test, Primo, Mast, Var... If you absolutely insist on using tren. throw it at the end when you're in a steep deficit.

If you want to keep gains good with as little fat as possible you need to micromanage your calories and macros every single meal.

you dont need anything else than trt aswell until you're above 225lbs lean? you could go achieve 225lbs lean on trt training for 10 years and then go jump on roids. what is the point of praising this?

he clearly has the tren and ran it before so it dosent achieve any harm reduction.

he is asking for a 3rd compound to stack with test+tren. not dosing advice.

masteron is good at blunting some of trens sides tho.

and eq/primo if you wanna run test higher but dont wanna add an ai with already bad hdl/ldl from tren. @rippedchimp

 

[RockyP]

you dont need anything else than trt aswell until you're above 225lbs lean? you could go achieve 225lbs lean on trt training for 10 years and then go jump on roids. what is the point of praising this?

he clearly has the tren and ran it before so it dosent achieve any harm reduction.

he is asking for a 3rd compound to stack with test+tren. not dosing advice

As far as I can gather, the spirit of this community is one of harm reduction. The OP sounds like he's poking around in the dark "researching" Masteron and then of course mentioning using a dose that most would not use unless they have run it many times before and need such a dosage. There is no pride in overdosing yourself on gear. It's a waste of money, it won't add extra size, and will just leave you with lots of side effects.

 

[dinfar1337]

Yes, he isn't afraid to take more than the biggest, best professional bodybuilders of the 90's. I'm sure he, and you, are bigger, stronger, better than the pro's in every way.

we are not, he has been here for 5 years. he isnt some fucking kid thats running tren for the first time. neither does running a moderate dose of tren make you a 90's bodybuilder and you better believe they lied about their dosages.

let him fucking run tren for 400mg if he want to why are u pushing low dosing bullshit.

 

[dinfar1337]

As far as I can gather, the spirit of this community is one of harm reduction. The OP sounds like he's poking around in the dark "researching" Masteron and then of course mentioning using a dose that most would not use unless they have run it many times before and need such a dosage. There is no pride in overdosing yourself on gear. It's a waste of money, it won't add extra size, and will just leave you with lots of side effects.

if you look at his profile.

he posted a picture of test+tren 5 years ago. i think its fair enough to want to add a 3rd compound after 5 years? lmao

harm reduction is indeed great. but some of us are running this shit for decades already and dont need the low dosing advice thank you. everyones drug metabolism is different. and especially to grow if we can tolerate more its better to add more.

harm reduction isnt always the best way to achieve your goals. otherwise we would all just run trt for the rest of our life.

 

[RockyP]

The quality of discussion in this thread is making me look over my shoulder for Ashton Kutcher to see if I'm being punk'D. But in the spirit of trying to salvage something intelligible (not optimistic about that), I would then say the answer is....up the dose of tren. If the OP has experience with it and knows how he reacts to it, up the dose a bit and see what happens. Instead of adding another compound, both of which are much more expensive than tren, if you can tolerate more tren, use more tren.

 

[pewex]

Why not begin with a lower dose and gradually increase it over time? Like others have said, the real key to making lean gains lies in your diet and training not just the compounds themselves.

 

[dinfar1337]

The quality of discussion in this thread is making me look over my shoulder for Ashton Kutcher to see if I'm being punk'D. But in the spirit of trying to salvage something intelligible (not optimistic about that), I would then say the answer is....up the dose of tren. If the OP has experience with it and knows how he reacts to it, up the dose a bit and see what happens. Instead of adding another compound, both of which are much more expensive than tren, if you can tolerate more tren, use more tren.

yup, there isnt many places to go when someone is close minded, delusional. and arrogant.

he has taken tren for atleast 5 years, he isnt some newbie who is gonna follow your dosing advice. if anything we could mention he should probably start the first 12 weeks with 250mgt 100mgtren and then do 500mg test 400mg tren but thats about it.

you're throwing your opinion of low dosing cuck puzzy dogshit low dose 100mg tren to someone who is asking for a compound to add to his stack!

do you shit in the sink instead of washing your hands aswell? 400mg isnt atypical dosage.

 

[dinfar1337]

What would be the best compound to stack to test and tren cycle for maximizing lean muscle gain ? I’m looking to a recomp.

First 12 weeks
Test 500mg/week
Tren 400mg/week

Second 12 weeks
Test 250mg/week
Tren 100mg/week

I don’t want compound that just increase water retention and glycogen , I want real muscle gain.
As per my research Mast would not be good for gaining size but 600mg/week of primo would ?

anyways finally getting to your question. i would up testosterone to atleast 750mg-1g and then add in primo/eq/masteron/ai to handle the estrogen