GG-Pharma (USA) Domestic

[verylargeshoes]

Well, due to some health issues I won’t be trying DHB again for a while if ever, but my original plan was to run test with it. I expect I’d always run test except maybe if I was using MENT/Trestolone.

 

[Photon]

Well, due to some health issues I won’t be trying DHB again for a while if ever, but my original plan was to run test with it. I expect I’d always run test except maybe if I was using MENT/Trestolone.

Everything I've cut with EQ has no PIP.
Except DHB, god that was awful.

 

[verylargeshoes]

Everything I've cut with EQ has no PIP.
Except DHB, god that was awful.

The cycle I was actually running was test+eq. I just threw some DHB into my ass to see how bad it hurt before I stocked up. It hurt. I hope EQ wasn’t what was fucking up my kidney markers. It was working great, not even any hematocrit issues.

 

[Pounds23]

The cycle I was actually running was test+eq. I just threw some DHB into my ass to see how bad it hurt before I stocked up. It hurt. I hope EQ wasn’t what was fucking up my kidney markers. It was working great, not even any hematocrit issues.

I don't think I ever seen eq fuck up someones alt/liver values I have heard dhb throwing some markers off. Any tren or orals? And I don't wanna assume rec stuff or maybe alc but never seen it with eq.

 

[verylargeshoes]

I don't think I ever seen eq fuck up someones alt/liver values I have heard dhb throwing some markers off. Any tren or orals? And I don't wanna assume rec stuff or maybe alc but never seen it with eq.

My ALT was good, AST slightly elevated. Creatinine and Cystatin-C were the main issues, plus super high Lipase. I managed to piss off my kidneys *and* pancreas. Lipase is normal now, and creatinine was down to just within normal a week ago. Testing cystatin-C again in a few weeks. I gotta say, I didn't expect biochemistry to make up such a big percentage of the sport/hobby of bodybuilding.

No rec stuff - sober for over 20 years. I did use some orals, including superdrol. I figure it was that and/or the DHB or the combination of them. My BP has been well managed so I don't think that caused any issues. It might all blow over as a temporary AKI -- I'll know more in a few weeks. Until then I'm on restriction, so just cruising along at TRT...plus a little for good measure

Since I hijacked this thread, want to make sure it's clear -- I only used DHB from GG once, btw, and it acted exactly like the DHB from other sources I tried. Everything else I used was from other sources I bought from previously. I know he's caught some flack in the past, but GG delivered gear that I have no reason to believe is anything but good. DHB is just a tough bastard.

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

I've used DHB with MENT, without and with HRT test (10mg/day prop).

Best way to administer it is mixing with your other compounds and doing daily low volume injections. Assuming one is not using high concentration AAS, the test and other oils will dilute the DHB, and very low volume shortens the time for the oil depot to be completely absorbed... 0.5cc daily from an insulin pin is gone within hours, while 3.5cc once a week will take the entire week to dissipate.

I'd also suggest running DHB at lower doses because of potential hepatotoxicity, up to maybe 30mg/day. Per mg it is about 3x more potent than primobolan or masteron, and hepatotoxicity of AAS seems directly proportional to androgenic potency - which is then greatly potentiated by the infamous 17a-alkylation in orals and injectable oil/suspension variants.

Chemically DHB is primbolan without the c1 methyl group, which should not in theory make it any more toxic. Both primobolan and particularly DHB are known to cause PIP and elevate liver enzymes, they are inherently inflammatory to some degree. So for anabolism, liver stress, and inflammation 1mg DHB ~ 3mg Primobolan. If you follow common advice on reddit and dose DHB at 600mg/wk, (1) that is a lot of oil at typical concentrations of 50-100mg/ml and (2) your liver markers and inflammatory markers will be similar to Primobolan @ 1800mg/wk.

This paradigm holds true with other anabolics too, for instance trenbolone and nandrolone. Trenbolone has about 5x the potency of nandrolone. Neither is inherently liver toxic, despite what some say, but those using a fairly typical dose of 350mg/wk trenbolone stress the liver similarly to nandrolone @ 1750mg/wk.

Liver injury is sa product of oxidative stress (which can deplete glutathione) and cholestasis (thickening/slowing of bile through small intrahepatic ducts). Typical liver support on cycle should include glutathione, NMN, n-acetyl cysteine, astaxanthin, dihydroquerctin, silymarin, and TUDCA; I use all of them together in a home made supplement. And importantly, avoid other known liver stressors - particularly alcohol and acetaminophen.

Posting this as I suspect DHB use will increase as supply disruption of primo and masteron continues for the foreseeable future. Personally I think masteron is the best choice with the fewest issues. And it most definitely builds muscle if not used in the typical way, ie in a cut/prep phase with calorie deficit.

Also worth mentioning that none of the DHT derivatives act anything like DHT in the body. Hair and prostate issues attributed to these drugs are from their strong SHBG binding, which releases bound test and feeds more conversion to DHT + estradiol. Testosterone values on blood work often go down when adding a DHT derivative; this 'lost' T is being converted to DHT and estradiol. So adding significant amounts of primo/mast/DHB to a cycle without adjusting the test dose is asking for MPB and BPH. And of course the DHT derivatives (excluding proviron) are designed to be resistant to 3α-HSD, so act like testosterone, not DHT, in skeletal muscle.

As far as estradiol conversion, whether any particular DHT derivative inhibits aromatase is highly variable person to person. One can monitor LC/MS hs-estradiol and adjust testosterone and DHT derivate / EQ doses to get estradiol in the 'sweet spot' and stay there. Or learn how to dose AI by feel, which is what I now do, as I like to change up my cycle frequently and also use small amounts of MENT (which metabolizes to 7a-methylestradiol that escapes the LC/MS test). And my total estrogen is hard to interpret as I also use small amounts of trenbolone, which is detected as an estrogen on the non-hs estradiol test. So now I just take aromasin prn if I notice excessive emotionality, nipple sensitivity, or sudden weight gain (ie water retention), and that seems to work really well as I've been able to avoid ED, gyno, LUTs, acne while keeping my HDL and IGF1 levels good.

Btw @russianboy12 can you DM me your price list? Requested one from telegram a while back but never received it.

 

[russianboy12]

I've used DHB with MENT, without and with HRT test (10mg/day prop).

Best way to administer it is mixing with your other compounds and doing daily low volume injections. Assuming one is not using high concentration AAS, the test and other oils will dilute the DHB, and very low volume shortens the time for the oil depot to be completely absorbed... 0.5cc daily from an insulin pin is gone within hours, while 3.5cc once a week will take the entire week to dissipate.

I'd also suggest running DHB at lower doses because of potential hepatotoxicity, up to maybe 30mg/day. Per mg it is about 3x more potent than primobolan or masteron, and hepatotoxicity of AAS seems directly proportional to androgenic potency - which is then greatly potentiated by the infamous 17a-alkylation in orals and injectable oil/suspension variants.

Chemically DHB is primbolan without the c1 methyl group, which should not in theory make it any more toxic. Both primobolan and particularly DHB are known to cause PIP and elevate liver enzymes, they are inherently inflammatory to some degree. So for anabolism, liver stress, and inflammation 1mg DHB ~ 3mg Primobolan. If you follow common advice on reddit and dose DHB at 600mg/wk, (1) that is a lot of oil at typical concentrations of 50-100mg/ml and (2) your liver markers and inflammatory markers will be similar to Primobolan @ 1800mg/wk.

This paradigm holds true with other anabolics too, for instance trenbolone and nandrolone. Trenbolone has about 5x the potency of nandrolone. Neither is inherently liver toxic, despite what some say, but those using a fairly typical dose of 350mg/wk trenbolone stress the liver similarly to nandrolone @ 1750mg/wk.

Liver injury is sa product of oxidative stress (which can deplete glutathione) and cholestasis (thickening/slowing of bile through small intrahepatic ducts). Typical liver support on cycle should include glutathione, NMN, n-acetyl cysteine, astaxanthin, dihydroquerctin, silymarin, and TUDCA; I use all of them together in a home made supplement. And importantly, avoid other known liver stressors - particularly alcohol and acetaminophen.

Posting this as I suspect DHB use will increase as supply disruption of primo and masteron continues for the foreseeable future. Personally I think masteron is the best choice with the fewest issues. And it most definitely builds muscle if not used in the typical way, ie in a cut/prep phase with calorie deficit.

Also worth mentioning that none of the DHT derivatives act anything like DHT in the body. Hair and prostate issues attributed to these drugs are from their strong SHBG binding, which releases bound test and feeds more conversion to DHT + estradiol. Testosterone values on blood work often go down when adding a DHT derivative; this 'lost' T is being converted to DHT and estradiol. So adding significant amounts of primo/mast/DHB to a cycle without adjusting the test dose is asking for MPB and BPH. And of course the DHT derivatives (excluding proviron) are designed to be resistant to 3α-HSD, so act like testosterone, not DHT, in skeletal muscle.

As far as estradiol conversion, whether any particular DHT derivative inhibits aromatase is highly variable person to person. One can monitor LC/MS hs-estradiol and adjust testosterone and DHT derivate / EQ doses to get estradiol in the 'sweet spot' and stay there. Or learn how to dose AI by feel, which is what I now do, as I like to change up my cycle frequently and also use small amounts of MENT (which metabolizes to 7a-methylestradiol that escapes the LC/MS test). And my total estrogen is hard to interpret as I also use small amounts of trenbolone, which is detected as an estrogen on the non-hs estradiol test. So now I just take aromasin prn if I notice excessive emotionality, nipple sensitivity, or sudden weight gain (ie water retention), and that seems to work really well as I've been able to avoid ED, gyno, LUTs, acne while keeping my HDL and IGF1 levels good.

Btw @russianboy12 can you DM me your price list? Requested one from telegram a while back but never received it.

All done sent you private message. Hit me up on telegram im always on might off missed your dm

 

[verylargeshoes]

Posting this as I suspect DHB use will increase as supply disruption of primo and masteron continues for the foreseeable future. Personally I think masteron is the best choice with the fewest issues. And it most definitely builds muscle if not used in the typical way, ie in a cut/prep phase with calorie deficit.

On Youtube, all the Primo advocates claim that Masteron will make you bald, and all the Masteron advocates claim that Primo will make you bald. (And presumably also cause BPH.). I hate it when mommy and daddy fight. If the mechanism is what you say -- just liberating test which converts to DHT -- they're both right.

I hate to reduce my test dose because it's really dialed in and helping me feel and function great. Mood's good, energy is good, libido is good, and Big John Thomas always rises to the occasion. But I don't know why exactly. Is it the test itself, or the DHT, or the estradiol, or... so what happens when I swap test out for other AAS? I'm sure the gainz will be there, but that's not the most important thing for me.

Thank you for the detailed and thoughtful post!

 

[Flex.AF]

I'll try that next time I plan a DHB cycle, thanks! Every DHB I've tried has given me some trouble, so I may just be one of the unlucky ones. If smaller doses and dilution don't work, I'll just move on to kinder, gentler compounds.

Try primals dhb.

 

[FastBun]

Try primals dhb.

GTFO… stop advertising that shitty source on other sources threads…lol your deff a muscle candy alt…

 

[verylargeshoes]

Try primals dhb.

Why?

 

[verylargeshoes]

Try primals dhb.

You haven’t even had your products from Primal long enough to see their effects on you, or even to see test results. Did you even buy DHB?

What is the value of your recommendation? Did you just check the website to see whether it’s in stock…or did you even do that much before shilling for that source?

Do you know the recipe for their DHB, and have some reason to share that it would give lower PIP?

 

[PrizonMike]

GTFO… stop advertising that shitty source on other sources threads…lol your deff a muscle candy alt…

Who would be your top recommendation for source? Can’t seem to find legit answer. Everyone either praises a company or absolutely rips on it.

 

[BamaCrazy]

Who would be your top recommendation for source? Can’t seem to find legit answer. Everyone either praises a company or absolutely rips on it.

We don’t recommend sources for that very reason. None of them are perfect and all of them can screw up on a given day. Determine whether you are going to buy Domestic or International, then read the last 10-15 pages on each source thread, then decide. Plus inventory will come into play depending on what you are looking for. With the raws situation certain products are getting more expensive and harder to find.

 

[RockyP]

We don’t recommend sources for that very reason. None of them are perfect and all of them can screw up on a given day. Determine whether you are going to buy Domestic or International, then read the last 10-15 pages on each source thread, then decide. Plus inventory will come into play depending on what you are looking for. With the raws situation certain products are getting more expensive and harder to find.

I'm also a stickler for shipping. If I get a pack and the shipping / packaging is not 100% to my liking, never going back. I want to pick up the box and not hear anything moving around in it. Like it's filled with a pillow, or with nothing at all. It's a neurosis and likely not relevant, but we all have our quirks.

 

[russianboy12]

All of our orders are vacuumed sealed and bubbled wrapped.

 

[facinghardships]

I've used DHB with MENT, without and with HRT test (10mg/day prop).

Best way to administer it is mixing with your other compounds and doing daily low volume injections. Assuming one is not using high concentration AAS, the test and other oils will dilute the DHB, and very low volume shortens the time for the oil depot to be completely absorbed... 0.5cc daily from an insulin pin is gone within hours, while 3.5cc once a week will take the entire week to dissipate.

I'd also suggest running DHB at lower doses because of potential hepatotoxicity, up to maybe 30mg/day. Per mg it is about 3x more potent than primobolan or masteron, and hepatotoxicity of AAS seems directly proportional to androgenic potency - which is then greatly potentiated by the infamous 17a-alkylation in orals and injectable oil/suspension variants.

Chemically DHB is primbolan without the c1 methyl group, which should not in theory make it any more toxic. Both primobolan and particularly DHB are known to cause PIP and elevate liver enzymes, they are inherently inflammatory to some degree. So for anabolism, liver stress, and inflammation 1mg DHB ~ 3mg Primobolan. If you follow common advice on reddit and dose DHB at 600mg/wk, (1) that is a lot of oil at typical concentrations of 50-100mg/ml and (2) your liver markers and inflammatory markers will be similar to Primobolan @ 1800mg/wk.

This paradigm holds true with other anabolics too, for instance trenbolone and nandrolone. Trenbolone has about 5x the potency of nandrolone. Neither is inherently liver toxic, despite what some say, but those using a fairly typical dose of 350mg/wk trenbolone stress the liver similarly to nandrolone @ 1750mg/wk.

Liver injury is sa product of oxidative stress (which can deplete glutathione) and cholestasis (thickening/slowing of bile through small intrahepatic ducts). Typical liver support on cycle should include glutathione, NMN, n-acetyl cysteine, astaxanthin, dihydroquerctin, silymarin, and TUDCA; I use all of them together in a home made supplement. And importantly, avoid other known liver stressors - particularly alcohol and acetaminophen.

Posting this as I suspect DHB use will increase as supply disruption of primo and masteron continues for the foreseeable future. Personally I think masteron is the best choice with the fewest issues. And it most definitely builds muscle if not used in the typical way, ie in a cut/prep phase with calorie deficit.

Also worth mentioning that none of the DHT derivatives act anything like DHT in the body. Hair and prostate issues attributed to these drugs are from their strong SHBG binding, which releases bound test and feeds more conversion to DHT + estradiol. Testosterone values on blood work often go down when adding a DHT derivative; this 'lost' T is being converted to DHT and estradiol. So adding significant amounts of primo/mast/DHB to a cycle without adjusting the test dose is asking for MPB and BPH. And of course the DHT derivatives (excluding proviron) are designed to be resistant to 3α-HSD, so act like testosterone, not DHT, in skeletal muscle.

As far as estradiol conversion, whether any particular DHT derivative inhibits aromatase is highly variable person to person. One can monitor LC/MS hs-estradiol and adjust testosterone and DHT derivate / EQ doses to get estradiol in the 'sweet spot' and stay there. Or learn how to dose AI by feel, which is what I now do, as I like to change up my cycle frequently and also use small amounts of MENT (which metabolizes to 7a-methylestradiol that escapes the LC/MS test). And my total estrogen is hard to interpret as I also use small amounts of trenbolone, which is detected as an estrogen on the non-hs estradiol test. So now I just take aromasin prn if I notice excessive emotionality, nipple sensitivity, or sudden weight gain (ie water retention), and that seems to work really well as I've been able to avoid ED, gyno, LUTs, acne while keeping my HDL and IGF1 levels good.

Btw @russianboy12 can you DM me your price list? Requested one from telegram a while back but never received it.

I really enjoyed reading all of this. Thanks for this wealth of info

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

Who would be your top recommendation for source? Can’t seem to find legit answer. Everyone either praises a company or absolutely rips on it.

I would find a source that offers DHB in GSO. I have used DHB continuously for almost two years, generally between 320 and 880 mg per week. I am usually on the higher weekly volume. I have tried almost ever carrier oil possible as well as different mixtures with multiple carrier oils. I have found GSO to be the carrier oil that allows me to inject the greatest weekly volume with minimal to no PIP.

YMMV

 

[Tkjo]

I would find a source that offers DHB in GSO. I have used DHB continuously for almost two years, generally between 320 and 880 mg per week. I am usually on the higher weekly volume. I have tried almost ever carrier oil possible as well as different mixtures with multiple carrier oils. I have found GSO to be the carrier oil that allows me to inject the greatest weekly volume with minimal to no PIP.

YMMV

Have you checked your CRP and other inflammatory markers? I’m wanting to try DHB as well. Heard good, and bad

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

Have you checked your CRP and other inflammatory markers? I’m wanting to try DHB as well. Heard good, and bad

I did have one scare quite a while back where my CRP was over 10. I reached out to my doctor and my doctor told me to not be concerned, a lot of different things can impact it including doing a heavy workout. I ended up testing my CRP again a couple months later and it was below 1. Since then I have made sure to check my CRP levels on an off day. To be honest I have no idea whether DHB or something else temporarily impacted it. I have not had any issues ever since then.