Insulin w/o GH

[ChemBB]

Anyone here have personal experience running slin without running GH or GHRH/GHRP peps?

Thinking of doing 10iu Novolin-R postworkout on my next bulk, but don't have an GH.

 

[DinoBB76]

the best use is GH + slin or only GH without slin

When you use them together, I do it to achieve greater IGF-1 and nutrient delivery.

From what I can tell,

Muscle hypertrophy and growth, protocol:

inject GH 30 minutes before your pre-workout meal.

Take (rapid-acting) insulin before your meal and eat.

Train.

After training, take rapid-acting insulin again with your post-workout.
you use a combo

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otherwise if you use GH without insulin you can safely take a full dose before going to bed

 

[IndividualMan]

if you use GHRH you should be using lantus, if you use GH you should be using Lantus. if you want a mildly better pump, you use 5-10 units fast actng insulin with 100-140grams of fast acting carbs before a workout. however, your own body could easily produce those 5- 10 units of insuling by itself, which makes insulin use in your scenario a bit questionable.

TLDR: just get yourself some GH+ Lantus if you want to actually use insulin to its fullest effect

 

[ChemBB]

If we all could refrain from posting about the use of Insulin + GH, as there are +1,000,000 google results for this, please

This thread is meant to be for experiential discussion of the use of insulin *without* GH

If genuinely nobody who reads this board has done it, I guess we will find out in some weeks when I try.

 

[DinoBB76]

If we all could refrain from posting about the use of Insulin + GH, as there are +1,000,000 google results for this, please

This thread is meant to be for experiential discussion of the use of insulin *without* GH

If genuinely nobody who reads this board has done it, I guess we will find out in some weeks when I try.

insulin without GH .... why? only for fat gain weight

 

[IndividualMan]

If we all could refrain from posting about the use of Insulin + GH, as there are +1,000,000 google results for this, please

This thread is meant to be for experiential discussion of the use of insulin *without* GH

If genuinely nobody who reads this board has done it, I guess we will find out in some weeks when I try.

As a type 1 diabetic who has supplied a lot of people with slin over the years, go for it. I hope you notice some great pumps, but the additional gains are (in my experience) almost not noticeable. kinda like microdosing increlex but worse for gains (a hell of a lot cheaper though). If you are still as lean as your profile pic suggests, it could help you with a crazy good& full look

oh yeah, and rotate insulin injection sites (and keep a least a half inch between them if you dont). i accidentally gave myself fat padded shoulders, forearms and lower abs by not rotating injecion sites/ using adequate inj site distance over the last 2 years.

 

[ChemBB]

why? only for fat gain weight

Sometimes I wonder why I bother to ask things on the internet at all...

Someone please make a board that requires passing a basic Human Physiology test before you can post...

 

[Ateam2023]

As a type 1 diabetic who has supplied a lot of people with slin over the years, go for it. I hope you notice some great pumps, but the additional gains are (in my experience) almost not noticeable. kinda like microdosing increlex but worse for gains (a hell of a lot cheaper though). If you are still as lean as your profile pic suggests, it could help you with a crazy good& full look

oh yeah, and rotate insulin injection sites (and keep a least a half inch between them if you dont). i accidentally gave myself fat padded shoulders, forearms and lower abs by not rotating injecion sites/ using adequate inj site distance over the last 2 years.

what do you mean by "fat padded" shoulders etc,,?

 

[Ghoul]

). i accidentally gave myself fat padded shoulders, forearms and lower abs by not rotating injecion sites/ using adequate inj site distance over the last 2 years.

Funny I just read about the opposite problem from not rotating rHGH injection sites. Spots of subcutaneous fat atrophy.

Seeing the direct but opposite effects of these compounds concentrated in the local injection site...

 

[DinoBB76]

basic Human Physiology test before you can post...

ok but why you ask

genius

 

[IndividualMan]

what do you mean by "fat padded" shoulders etc,,?

an extra 3-6 millimeters of fat near/on my favorite injection sites, on my stomach it got as bad as 1.5cm (i have shot up to 100 units per day in my stomach tho)
and no, it is not scarring, I had the classic insulin scarring knots in the fat tissue on my legs when i was younger, the stuff i have now is different.

Funny I just read about the opposite problem from not rotating rHGH injection sites. Spots of subcutaneous fat atrophy.

Seeing the direct but opposite effects of these compounds concentrated in the local injection site...

I am gonna use GH (not reta, already have a hard time eating enough after finishing up my cut) to try and do that for my stomach. localized fat atrophy from something i have hundreds of IUs in my fridge/freezer already seems like a nice bonus

 

[Trainedbytylerlofthouse19]

Running Novorapid alone pre workout is absolutely fine.. If your feeling it why not grab some lantus and start on 20iu

30iu gives me pretty good all day fullness at a lean 230lbs+ no need to go any higher at this point.. Iv used larger doses in the past.. Keep fat low in diet anyway and you won't store any.. High carbs high protein fats under 100g

 

[dick_starbuck]

I did this for a growth phase when I was broke. Walmart novolin r for 25 bucks.

I matched the slin to my pre and intra carbs, pinned with my preworkout meal, and got some sick pumps. I definitely grew and the only other thing I was on was 300mg test and 200mg deca.

I recommend it if youre lean and dialed in.

 

[Jesintn]

Ive used it with 1 iu gh, pre workout, 10 ius , for about a year. worked fine

It will work , but definately dont do it if wanting to reduce bodyfat

I did insulin every day for Nationals in Texas, 2023 during prep and hindsight it cause me to not get as lean . Competition prep for the most part it needs to be cut out ime

 

[Pandateston]

insulin without GH .... why? only for fat gain weight

Brother, worth separating myth from reality here. Btw I partially agree with you…I wouldn’t use it without GH but I know people that have been doing it with success

Post-workout insulin without GH yeah, it can still help with muscle gain if used right. Its job is simple: shuttle glucose and aminos straight into the muscle. That means faster recovery, glycogen refilled, and a solid anabolic environment. GH just takes it further because of the IGF-1 boost and crazy synergy.

BTW, insulin doesn’t magically “create” fat. It only stores nutrients. If you’re running clean carbs + protein post-workout, it’ll favor muscle recovery, not fat gain. The real issue is when you throw fats in with carbs (pizza, burgers, etc.) or you’re in a constant calorie surplus.

IMHO practical takeaway:

Post-workout: stick to clean carbs + fast protein, keep fats out.

Yes, you can build muscle with insulin alone if diet/training are on point.
Dirty diet or excess cals? That’s when fat gain shows up.

But just a reminder: insulin is a double-edged sword. Without the right protocol, monitoring, and discipline, you risk hypos or storing everything in the wrong places.