Transferring oils for long term storage

[Photon]

Before we go down the "OMG ghoul tryna kill us with the poison gas!", argon is also commonly used to extend shelf life of packaged food, including liquids (especially fine wine). Nitrogen is more common, because it's cheaper, but argon is superior.

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I did suggest argon last week but i think going the vacuum route is a way better approach. (After finding out about those vacuum vials this week)

Post in thread 'MESO "Specialized" Testing Group Fund'

Aug 16, 2025

I already posted on inert gas. Most sources probably wont touch it. Serious safety issue without proper equipment.

Could probably connect something like this to a silicone tubing and luer needle instead of getting a gas tank.


Right now if i plan to use Tren, i'll just find a vendor with a relative new batch then quickly finish it.

The GA tren, I don't recall it being that color when i bought it last year..

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[Ghoul]

Chemically inert yes -- no chemical bonding.
Argon is also soluble in organic solvents.

I did suggest argon last week but i think going the vacuum route is a way better approach. (After finding out about those vacuum vials this week)

Post in thread 'MESO "Specialized" Testing Group Fund'

Aug 16, 2025

I already posted on inert gas. Most sources probably wont touch it. Serious safety issue without proper equipment.

Could probably connect something like this to a silicone tubing and luer needle instead of getting a gas tank.


Right now if i plan to use Tren, i'll just find a vendor with a relative new batch then quickly finish it.

The GA tren, I don't recall it being that color when i bought it last year..

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Dissolubility of Argon in BA is around 0.0002%, a few milligrams per liter, which is already going to be saturated from the 1% Argon present in the air it's been exposed to.

Argon makes up to 1.2% percent of dissolved gasses in blood. Excess is naturally eliminated.

We inhale argon in every breath, which is how it ends up in blood.

There is simply no way you're going to inject any meaningful amount of argon into your body unless you insert the needle into a vein and blast half the can in.

As a matter of fact, it even displaces dissolved oxygen in oils, preventing them from going rancid, the oxidized byproducts of which are toxic, carcinogenic, and induce systemic inflammation.

 

[Photon]

Dissolubility of Argon in BA is around 0.0002%, a few milligrams per liter, which is already going to be saturated from the 1% Argon present in the air it's been exposed to.

Argon makes up to 1.2% percent of dissolved gasses in blood. Excess is naturally eliminated.

We inhale argon in every breath, which is how it ends up in blood.

There is simply no way you're going to inject any meaningful amount of argon into your body unless you insert the needle into a vein and blast half the can in.

Do you have the numbers for BB?
GPT is giving me ~0.003% (No clue if its accurate) but if that's the case then i guess it is indeed negligible.

 

[readalot]

We can let @readalot coordinate the group buy. He seems to have that let’s pitch in code cracked

Too much brother. The amount of time this takes is extreme TBH. I need help.

 

[Ghoul]

Do you have the numbers for BB?
GPT is giving me ~0.003% (No clue if its accurate) but if that's the case then i guess it is indeed negligible.

024%. is the maximum theoretical amount, less than a quarter of the Argon concentration already present in blood.

So like nitrogen, helium, xenon, and the other gases dissolved in BB from contact with air, once injected:

Argon mixes into blood and tissues along with the small amount of argon already dissolved from breathing.

Total amount from an injection (e.g., ~0.05 mg in 0.2 mL BB) is tiny compared to the ~2–3 mg of argon already dissolved in blood at equilibrium.

This extra argon is essentially negligible biologically.

Argon is inert, not metabolized.

Once in blood, it equilibrates with the lungs.

Exhalation removes it — just like nitrogen and other inert gases.

Clearance is rapid (minutes).

 

[Dial It In]

Too much brother. The amount of time this takes is extreme TBH. I need help.

I can see that. Just know your efforts are appreciated by myself at least.

 

[Ghoul]

Understanding the Role of Gases in Vial Fill-Finish: N2, AR, and CO2

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[Sampei]

Guys I'm all for harm reduction and good storage techniques but srsly anyone thinking of doing an argon flush for a vial of steroid is not going overboard... This is going directly into fucking space.
Just don't xD

 

[AllGoodThings]

Guys I'm all for harm reduction and good storage techniques but srsly anyone thinking of doing an argon flush for a vial of steroid is not going overboard... This is going directly into fucking space.
Just don't xD

If using refrigeration and evacuated vials somehow wasn't an option, I'd consider inert gas flushing a reasonable option, but with both of those tools at our disposal to all but stop oxidation, it doesn't seem necessary or worth the time/money/effort.

 

[readalot]

Just makes no sense playing with inert gases without proper PPE/fume hood. Please be careful.

https://www.csb.gov/file.aspx?DocumentId=5636

Inert gas asphyxiation - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Yes this is the internet. Need to make people aware.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Guys I'm all for harm reduction and good storage techniques but srsly anyone thinking of doing an argon flush for a vial of steroid is not going overboard... This is going directly into fucking space.
Just don't xD

If using refrigeration and evacuated vials somehow wasn't an option, I'd consider inert gas flushing a reasonable option, but with both of those tools at our disposal to all but stop oxidation, it doesn't seem necessary or worth the time/money/effort.

I've flushed about a million vials in a fume hood for work

With a little tinkering and ingenuity, you can probably do it at home with a wine preservation setup & argon cartridges or a whip cream dispenser & nitrogen cartridges

But like AGT and Samp said, I think it's hilariously unnecessary (it'd still be awesome if someone did it)

 

[Photon]

Just makes no sense playing with inert gases without proper PPE/fume hood. Please be careful.

https://www.csb.gov/file.aspx?DocumentId=5636

Inert gas asphyxiation - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Yes this is the internet. Need to make people aware.

Let's go guys!!
To the moon!!

 

[AllGoodThings]

This is a ridiculously embarrassing question, and I'm posting here because it pertains to my re-vialing efforts, but also to limit visibility lol I know the answer, I just need reassurance

If I take one of my 30ml ALK Flurotec vials and fill it with;

15ml masteron enanthate 200mg/ml
15ml masteron propionate 100mg/ml

Then I'd be left with a masteron blend with 150mg/ml total concentration made up of;
Masteron enanthate 100mg/ml
Masteron propionate 50mg/ml

Am I forgetting something? Are there any issues with this, perhaps differing BB concentrations, that could lead to crashing or some other issues possibly? I also plan to do this with some Tren Ace 100mg and Tren E 200mg, and maybe some nandrolone decanoate and nandrolone phenylpropionate. Anything I need to be aware of? Would mixing GSO with MCT be an issue? I do it short term for the purpose of immediate injection, wasn't sure if sharing a vial long term might be a problem. I'm new to this, but that has to be painfully obvious with these kinds of questions lol

 

[Ateam2023]

This is a ridiculously embarrassing question, and I'm posting here because it pertains to my re-vialing efforts, but also to limit visibility lol I know the answer, I just need reassurance

If I take one of my 30ml ALK Flurotec vials and fill it with;

15ml masteron enanthate 200mg/ml
15ml masteron propionate 100mg/ml

Then I'd be left with a masteron blend with 150mg/ml total concentration made up of;
Masteron enanthate 100mg/ml
Masteron propionate 50mg/ml

Am I forgetting something? Are there any issues with this, perhaps differing BB concentrations, that could lead to crashing or some other issues possibly? I also plan to do this with some Tren Ace 100mg and Tren E 200mg, and maybe some nandrolone decanoate and nandrolone phenylpropionate. Anything I need to be aware of? Would mixing GSO with MCT be an issue? I do it short term for the purpose of immediate injection, wasn't sure if sharing a vial long term might be a problem. I'm new to this, but that has to be painfully obvious with these kinds of questions lol

why do you want to mix esters?

 

[AllGoodThings]

why do you want to mix esters?

I typically do every other day injections, and while I like prop a lot, I think a little enanthate can help with slightly more stable blood levels, while also allowing for a bit less oil volume. I expect nearly zero perceivable difference, but since I am re-vialing anyway, I figured why not make some silly crap while I'm at. I've got so much mast, a few 30ml vials of the blend isn't going to make much of a dent in my separate esters, and it's not like it's useless literally, just arguably useless practically.

 

[Ateam2023]

I typically do every other day injections, and while I like prop a lot, I think a little enanthate can help with slightly more stable blood levels, while also allowing for a bit less oil volume. I expect nearly zero perceivable difference, but since I am re-vialing anyway, I figured why not make some silly crap while I'm at. I've got so much mast, a few 30ml vials of the blend isn't going to make much of a dent in my separate esters, and it's not like it's useless literally, just arguably useless practically.

ahh the "experimental medicine " , i get it , well im interested in just what others say , you don't really hear alot about mixing esters

 

[Photon]

This is a ridiculously embarrassing question, and I'm posting here because it pertains to my re-vialing efforts, but also to limit visibility lol I know the answer, I just need reassurance

If I take one of my 30ml ALK Flurotec vials and fill it with;

15ml masteron enanthate 200mg/ml
15ml masteron propionate 100mg/ml

Then I'd be left with a masteron blend with 150mg/ml total concentration made up of;
Masteron enanthate 100mg/ml
Masteron propionate 50mg/ml

Am I forgetting something? Are there any issues with this, perhaps differing BB concentrations, that could lead to crashing or some other issues possibly? I also plan to do this with some Tren Ace 100mg and Tren E 200mg, and maybe some nandrolone decanoate and nandrolone phenylpropionate. Anything I need to be aware of? Would mixing GSO with MCT be an issue? I do it short term for the purpose of immediate injection, wasn't sure if sharing a vial long term might be a problem. I'm new to this, but that has to be painfully obvious with these kinds of questions lol

I mix all the time into vials, much easier than mixing in syringes and probably more accurate too. Also reduces the amount of pokes I have to do into separate vials. Don't see any issues, even if different oils. As for BB, it's not an issue as most vendors use more than necessary most of the time.

 

[Variant82]

Very new so please excuse the possible elementary level question, but if using a stopper that is silicone or butyl rubber how long could that potentially last before degrading? Purchased from a source recently that had some silicon vials go out and I was on the receiving end of 1 of them. I plan on using it within the next few months, not long term storage. Even if anyone happens to have a link to a page that you could share the information rather then typing it all out for me I'd appreciate it.

 

[AllGoodThings]

Very new so please excuse the possible elementary level question, but if using a stopper that is silicone or butyl rubber how long could that potentially last before degrading? Purchased from a source recently that had some silicon vials go out and I was on the receiving end of 1 of them. I plan on using it within the next few months, not long term storage. Even if anyone happens to have a link to a page that you could share the information rather then typing it all out for me I'd appreciate it.

Store your vial upright and you won't have to worry about the main issue with silicon stoppers, which is their chemical incompatibility with benzyl benzoate, which is present in pretty much all AAS. The benzyl benzoate can degrade the silicon, and while it may not be visible, it can leach silicon into your oil. Stored upright, you should be fine for years, all other things being equal. Long story short, I'd store it upright and not worry about it.

 

[Ghoul]

I've flushed about a million vials in a fume hood for work

With a little tinkering and ingenuity, you can probably do it at home with a wine preservation setup & argon cartridges or a whip cream dispenser & nitrogen cartridges

But like AGT and Samp said, I think it's hilariously unnecessary (it'd still be awesome if someone did it)

Why is minimizing oxidation, "hilariously unnecessary" for long term preservation, the topic of this thread?

It's standard practice to protect wine from oxidation, the same process that makes carrier oils become rancid.

How Food-Grade Gases Play a Role in Winemaking

Gas plays a large role in the winemaking process, especially when shielding the quality and longevity of wine from the effects of oxidation. Learn more...

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