How did the myth start that Primobolan was an AI?

[TallandSmall]

Primo was RARE until the Chinese started making it in the early 2010s. It was not available.

Explanation of what the fuck was going on from 1999-2022?

I heard Primo was rare and unavailable before then, so maybe people didn’t have the relevant experience.

 

[malomkarom]

A handful of people posting bloodwork that contradicts my own is not sufficient.

It's close to a hundred on this forum alone, excluding ones without bloodwork details.

There was one meso-rx post from 2023, which while interesting, still doesn't explain why no one on this forum was aware of the estrogen reducing properties of Primoblan until that time. I can find no mention of on this forum.

There were plenty, none of us have a clue where you got that from, probably another chat GPT prompt. There are plenty of report from before 2023 and there's absolutely 0 reason for anything to have changed since then, as nothing has.

This is all basic logic that is ignored.

Why did no one notice these properties of Primobolan on this forum until 2023? What was going from 1999-2023 that prevented us from noticing this?

You are the only one ignoring basic logic. If E2 is lower after having injected it and nothing else has change, primo acts as an AI. Again, nothing was different in 1999-2023 other than we have more frequent posts now, as for example in my country there was internet in maybe every 10th households for a third of that time period.

So far as denying my logic regarding Schering - you are claiming like others that the scientists at Schering were idiots. That Primobolan could have been used to treat breast cancer from 1961 until the 1990s, but it was not used for this because they were stupid. They did not look at Masteron and ask themselves - hey, our drug is a DHT derivative too. Maybe our drug can be used for breast cancer?

That's what you are saying.

We still have yet to deny anything they've said. Primo might not have strong enough affinity to the estrogen receptors in breast tissue. That's completely irrelevant when it comes to serum E2 levels.
Masteron still has yet to see any bloodwork with reduced serum E2.

You keep repeating breat cancer treatments. Nolvadex doesn't lower E2 either, it's still literally known to reverse gyno by getting rid of some of the already build and rock solid tissue. Boob size and serum E2 are barely related other than in extreme cases of high E2 or more likely fluctuations in E2 and progestogenic activity.

Multiple people have explained why you are wrong. Atleast try to ask Gemini or something, you chat GPT is clearly not accurate.

 

[eryximachus]

I heard Primo was rare and unavailable before then, so maybe people didn’t have the relevant experience.

It has been easily available since 2014 - I have been buying it from sources on this forum. In particular, I was buying Pharmacom primo going back to 2016 or so.

 

[malomkarom]

I heard Primo was rare and unavailable before then, so maybe people didn’t have the relevant experience.

That is true also. It's hard to get massive amounts of feedback on something barely available in pharmacies.

 

[eryximachus]

It's close to a hundred on this forum alone, excluding ones without bloodwork details.

There were plenty, none of us have a clue where you got that from, probably another chat GPT prompt. There are plenty of report from before 2023 and there's absolutely 0 reason for anything to have changed since then, as nothing has.

You are the only one ignoring basic logic. If E2 is lower after having injected it and nothing else has change, primo acts as an AI. Again, nothing was different in 1999-2023 other than we have more frequent posts now, as for example in my country there was internet in maybe every 10th households for a third of that time period.


We still have yet to deny anything they've said. Primo might not have strong enough affinity to the estrogen receptors in breast tissue. That's completely irrelevant when it comes to serum E2 levels.
Masteron still has yet to see any bloodwork with reduced serum E2.

You keep repeating breat cancer treatments. Nolvadex doesn't lower E2 either, it's still literally known to reverse gyno by getting rid of some of the already build and rock solid tissue. Boob size and serum E2 are barely related other than in extreme cases of high E2 or more likely fluctuations in E2 and progestogenic activity.

Multiple people have explained why you are wrong. Atleast try to ask Gemini of something, you chat GPT is clearly not accurate.

Post one report from the 2010s, I dare you.

 

[malomkarom]

Post one report from the 2010s, I dare you.

We've all read our share, thus the confidence in the general statements. All you have to do is search on google. If you are incapable of that like you seem to be, it's not worth it to spend time on you.

As of now I'm having great fun laughing histerically at how ridiculously stupid, stubborn and foolish you are.

Go on, just ask chat GPT if it can find reports from the tens, you'll stay in your comfort zone that way! I'll give you a hint.... it can....

 

[readalot]

Post one report from the 2010s, I dare you.

Let's make this a little clearer.

One report (from the 2010s) indicating what?

What is the wager?

Dares are only fun with money behind them. And it will go to a good cause.

 

[TallandSmall]

It has been easily available since 2014 - I have been buying it from sources on this forum. In particular, I was buying Pharmacom primo going back to 2016 or so.

I’m quoting you saying it wasn’t available before 2010, but you are also asking “why didn’t people know about this in 1999?!” Sounds like you answered your own question. “The anecdotes of many aren’t enough to counter my personal anecdote, but my personal anecdote trumps the anecdotes of many.”

 

[eryximachus]

We've all read our share, thus the confidence in the general statements. All you have to do is search on google. If you are incapable of that like you seem to be, it's not worth it to spend time on you.

As of now I'm having great fun laughing histerically at how ridiculously stupid, stubborn and foolish you are.

Go on, just ask chat GPT if it can find reports from the tens, you'll stay in your comfort zone that way! I'll give you a hint.... it can....

You can't find it because it doesn't exist.

 

[eryximachus]

Let's make this a little clearer.

One report (from the 2010s) indicating what?

What is the wager?

Dares are only fun with money behind them. And it will go to a good cause.

You're a rapper bro. You're just going to spend that money on crack and hookers.

 

[malomkarom]

we really are looking at a mental breakdown in real time holly fuck

 

[eryximachus]

I’m quoting you saying it wasn’t available before 2010, but you are also asking “why didn’t people know about this in 1999?!” Sounds like you answered your own question. “The anecdotes of many aren’t enough to counter my personal anecdote, but my personal anecdote trumps the anecdotes of many.”

I said it was not commonly available before 2014, approximately. It was available, but it was not ubiquitous like it has been since then. This is exactly what Bill Roberts said in his 2021 description of the drug posted on this site.

 

[readalot]

You're a rapper bro. You're just going to spend that money on crack and hookers.

Definition of CRAWFISH

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I hadn't told you where the money was going yet. So no dare?

 

[eryximachus]

we really are looking at a mental breakdown in real time holly fuck

Asking for evidence is a mental breakdown?

All you have to do is go to site:thinksteroids.com and put in the keywords you think are relevant to these purported past discussions of the anti-estrogen effects of Primobolan. It should be easy for you to do.

But you won't find such historical discussions, because contrary to what you are saying - which is false - they do not exist.

 

[eryximachus]

Definition of CRAWFISH

crayfish; spiny lobster… See the full definition

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Definition of INTRANSITIVE

not transitive; especially : characterized by not having or containing a direct object… See the full definition

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I hadn't told you where the money was going yet. So no dare?

You can consume crawfish intranasally?

Man brother you've got to stop thinking about cocaine.

 

[malomkarom]

Asking for evidence is a mental breakdown?

All you have to do is go to site:thinksteroids.com and put in the keywords you think are relevant to these purported past discussions of the anti-estrogen effects of Primobolan. It should be easy for you to do.

But you won't find such historical discussions, because contrary to what you are saying - which is false - they do not exist.

You'll do anything but fact check yourself. This is some crazy shit...

I remember running tren ace solo without a test base right after a cycle without PCT. That was somewhat close to what you seem like.

 

[readalot]

You can consume crawfish intranasally?

Man brother you've got to stop thinking about cocaine.

Thanks for the confirmation. Smart not to bet.

Take a breather. I have been there.

 

[wp_375]

That is not what I have said.

The conclusion here is that the current, very new members of meso-rx are claiming:

1) That the scientists at Schering AG were idiots, who for 50 years did not realize a drug they manufactured was in fact the most powerful aromatase inhibitor known. And this was during a time where pharmaceutical companies were investing billions of 2025 dollars researching aromatase inhibitors.

2) That Bill Roberts is an idiot

3) That all the members on Meso-RX who were posting from 1999 to 2023 were idiots.

I don't really care about any of that. There are a shitload of people, myself included, who have verified via blood work seen with our own two eyeballs that it lowers E2. Period. I don't care what the mechanism of how it works is or what other people think of it, at a certain point something is observed often enough in a large enough amount of people I take it as reasonable to say in many people Primo is effective at lowering E2 and leave it at that.

 

[eryximachus]

I don't really care about any of that. There are a shitload of people, myself included, who have verified via blood work seen with our own two eyeballs that it lowers E2. Period. I don't care what the mechanism of how it works is or what other people think of it, at a certain point something is observed often enough in a large enough amount of people I take it as reasonable to say in many people Primo is effective at lowering E2 and leave it at that.

And because you and others refuse to find a SINGLE POST from the 2010s discussing the purported anti-estrogen effects of Primoblan....

I can only conclude this is a mass delusion. No different than witch hunts, belief in alchemy, the stock market in the 1920s, Hitler and Germans thinking they could conquer the USSR using horses to transport all their food and medicine and ammunition....

People in crowds believe crazy things and like individual delusions, they will cling to their beliefs no matter what logic is employed.

 

[Jeffholio5]

This thread has so many more responses than is required to tell an obvious idiot he’s wrong.