Jumped the Gun

[Buffed Shark]

Greetings everyone. I might have jumped the gun and got into a few conversations before i can properly introduce myself, so i must first apologize for that got too excited tbh when i found this community.

I'm 40 years old and i started sports in wrestling when i was about 13 guess and was a professional greko roman wrestler with plenty of powerlifting experience along side that for about 10 yrs.

Started going to the gym and was proud of my natty cards since i was 22 till about 2 yrs ago. When i started to see some very consistent declines in performance recovery mood etc. Got to a trt clinic blood work and all even consulted with few dr friends some were pro some were not u all know. Anyway started trt 2 yrs ago after getting some reasonable knowledge just to get started.

Started at very low doses till i found my sweet spot i really wasn't rushing it after running about 6 months of trt i did a couple of blasts in year one just to also guage my tolerance had some resonable gains i wasn't seeing in the last 10 or so yrs. Cruised and did whatbi'd say my 1st cycle with 500mg T cyp 200mg primo for 5-6 weeks resonable outcome nothing crazy. Might have dropped e2 a bit more than it should but it was still not too low i belive it was 29 - 32.

My 2nd cycle was test cyp 400mg 3mg reta (titrated from 1mg few weeks pre cycle to guage itnon its own) both twice a week plus 20-30mg /day var 10-20 prew. and 10mg 12 hrs later. Ran it for 6 weeks and had some very obvious strengths and muscle gains although i was running about 300-500 calorie deficit/day. However my blood work wasn't doing very well especially on the lipids side hdl shot up to 180+ and Hdl was
In the 40's dropped to late 20's. However my triglycerides dropped and all my hormones and blood work and in resonable ranges.

I dropped my deficit and additional 500mg upped my omega 3 intake, added 30 mins of Liss fasted daily and did 16 hrs fast with .8 - 1 g of protein/lb carb cycling with high days of 100g c and 3 days aweek 0 carb. Reta upped to 4mg test cy at 250mg did this for about 6 weeks with very clean diet. Dropped 15lbs and got Hdl back incheck while ldl is still a bit high but dropped about 15%.

Currently planning my next 6-8 mo and can certainly use some insight. From the very few weeks i spent here lurking around for hrs i saw alot of great input from very experienced people who dont shy away feom sharing their knowledge for the greater good of the community, whichnis honestly what got me very thrilled when i found this platform.

I'm currently at 225 about 15-18%bf and my goal is to drop to sub 10%. I've done it quite a few times in the past even without any Ped's as i never went over 15% year round but for the past 10 or so years keeping the weight off got more challenging and while changing habits over time help like cutting alcohol and tightening up diet helps i went over 30% bf the last 3 years slowly but surely which got me to dial back in my diet, sleep recovery and use of enhancments and just this past year i was able to add about 14lbs of lean muscle and loose over 30lbs of fat according to my annual dexa scan.

I'm currently cruising on 250mg/week of T cyp + 4mg of reta with 800-1000 calorie deficit/week loosing 1-2lbs weekly with minimal strengths and muscle gains. My diet, cardio, workouts, sleep & recovery are all well dialed in. And i'm planning now to take my physique to the next level so i olan on adding hgh for at least the next 6-8 months. I read everything i can find over the last few months and i know its not a magic pill and dont have much expectations other than increasing lypolysis and aid in my plan which seems to be working. The other reason is although inlike the weight loss i'm getting with the reta and the calorie deficit i'm getting super conscious about my strengths and muscle gains i've had over the years. Am no ifbb pro but i'm happy with what i achieved and want to utilize tools to further inhance physicque and life style.

Planning on starting with 1 unit daily week one just to make sure i'm not 1 in billion people who can mutate a 2nd dick although it wont be too bad. Week 2 2 units for 4 weeks week 5 2.5 u week 6 3u. week 7 3.5 week 8 4 units daily and if it's not to high and inhad to cut back i'm planning to stay on 4 units for 16 weeks before bringing it down to 2units and assessing afterwards.

In those 16 weeks i'm planning 4units daily i would like to run a 4-5 week bulk in the beginning and a 4-5 week cut towards the end. The bulk would have calories at maintenance (i know call me crazy but i add a little minimal muscle when i'm at maint.) So if i added some var and upped my t to 400 dropped reta to 3mg and added 30 mg of var (on workout days) it should help add some lean muscle after which i come back to a t cruise of 200-250mg keep reta at 4 gh still at 4u cals at maint. Cleanse routine for lipids again that i did before maybe this time add some tudca keep carbs med. And then 4-5 weeks later hop on a cut with 500-1000 cal def. Reta at 6 gh still at 4. I usually do blood work every 3-4 months unless i'm blasting or cruising i do it more often. So i'm planning to do blood work every 4 weeks during those 16 weeks planned.

I'm open to insights from everyone and questions or comments about my plan. Again i have to apologize if this is got too long but hopefully someone finds some useful information in here. I didn't mention much about my workouts i ve been in the gym for 30+ yrs so i've tried everything out there and over the years was lucky to find what works for me. But i'm certainly open to always learn more

Appreciate you if you read all the way through here you are a

 

[Dial It In]

Welcome to Meso? Clean your pics up a bit I can tell by one thing where you are at as I recognize something. Just a tip

 

[Dial It In]

Didn’t mean to put a ? Mark. Welcome

 

[Ghoul]

Get those lipids down asap. You've got to around 5000 LDL/years total exposure before clinically significant arteriosclerosis develops and adding 180 a year will chew up whatever cardiovascular hit points you have left fast.

 

[Dial It In]

Ah dang I didn’t see that. I thought it was more cycle posting. Great catch. Yesh that’s not good at all.

 

[Ghoul]

Ah dang I didn’t see that. I thought it was more cycle posting. Great catch. Yesh that’s not good at all.

If you don't want to risk side effects from conventional statins, which are slightly more potent, if you took pitavastain 4mg and eztimebe LDL would be down to 76 to 96. Add bempedoic acid, also pretty unlikely to cause sides, it'd be around 60-80. And you'd get a bump in HDL.

 

[Buffed Shark]

If you don't want to risk side effects from conventional statins, which are slightly more potent, if you took pitavastain 4mg and eztimebe LDL would be down to 76 to 96. Add bempedoic acid, also pretty unlikely to cause sides, it'd be around 60-80. And you'd get a bump in HDL.

Was certainly looking into something that'll help with my LDL. Will certainly take a look into those. Seems like those are prescription medications. Any non prescription recommendations? I dont want to have high ldl in my medical records especially if its hopefully just temporary.

 

[Dial It In]

Was certainly looking into something that'll help with my LDL. Will certainly take a look into those. Seems like those are prescription medications. Any non prescription recommendations? I dont want to have high ldl in my medical records especially if its hopefully just temporary.

Non script. Psyllium husk, citrus bergamot. Different lipid supps out there. Revive makes good one. Unless I’m missing something I’m looking for what is driving that LDL. Did you or were you taking something else? I don’t see TRT driving that up. Even Reta can help ldl. Very suspicious what your “primo” could actually be if that’s all your taking.

 

[Ghoul]

Was certainly looking into something that'll help with my LDL. Will certainly take a look into those. Seems like those are prescription medications. Any non prescription recommendations? I dont want to have high ldl in my medical records especially if its hopefully just temporary.

There isn't anything. over the counter that's as effective, and even the stuff that is somewhat effective, like red yeast rice, is actually just a natural source of the active ingredient used in primitive 1st gen side effect inducing statins you want to avoid. They isolated it from natural sources to make the first statins, Pita is at the other end of the technological extreme. A perfectly (Japanese) engineered molecule that hits the cellular target to lower LDL without affecting anything else. That's why 4mg of Pita is as effective as 20mg of Crestor or 100mg of the original statins.

4mg Pitavastain is equal to LDL reduction of around 4000mg of Red Yeast Rice, though they're fundamentally the same thing. One is just the synthesized pure essence of the effective ingredient.

Simplest is to order Pitava and Ezetimebe from India pharma, about $45 and $15, respectively, for a 100 day supply of each. or, there's a way to get it via telemedicine in the US, for around. $80 and 15 minutes of effort without getting insurance involved or appearing in your medical record. LMK if interested in that option and I'll give you instructions.

Also, be aware that health insurance rates are never higher, and can't be denied coverage over cholesterol.

For Life and disability policies, you're not penalized if you're on meds for cholesterol. They'll rate you on lipid levels after meds. If LDL is under 100 at the time you apply, even if using a med to get there, that's enough to qualify for the best preferred rates, fyi. Same with BP. They care about how well it can be controlled and whether you're actually controlling it, not what it was without medications.

Over 75% of adults over 40 should be on BP or lipid lowering meds, insurance cos know this. The problem is less than 35% are, and those who aren't are the ones who get slammed with high rates.

 

[Buffed Shark]

Non script. Psyllium husk, citrus bergamot. Different lipid supps out there. Revive makes good one. Unless I’m missing something I’m looking for what is driving that LDL. Did you or were you taking something else? I don’t see TRT driving that up. Even Reta can help ldl. Very suspicious what your “primo” could actually be if that’s all your taking.

I appreciate your reply alot. Will definitely look into those. I can't point to anything other than anavar as that 180 LDL value was 2-3 days after my var cycle. I upped my cardio and tightened my diet even more and it brought it down to 150 ish. Was certainly looking for something that would help further. Also to use when running var later as it seems to work well for me. The only other thing is i was the heavier at the time, lost a little over 15 lbs so hopefully my BW in 3 weeks will show better values. But certainly wanna be ready if it doesn't

 

[readalot]

Welcome to MESO. Nice intro!

 

[Ghoul]

I appreciate your reply alot. Will definitely look into those. I can't point to anything other than anavar as that 180 LDL value was 2-3 days after my var cycle. I upped my cardio and tightened my diet even more and it brought it down to 150 ish. Was certainly looking for something that would help further. Also to use when running var later as it seems to work well for me. The only other thing is i was the heavier at the time, lost a little over 15 lbs so hopefully my BW in 3 weeks will show better values. But certainly wanna be ready if it doesn't

That's good, because regardless of sub 100 LDL being what insurance wants to see, it's still not that great based on current science. Below 60, where plaque reversal starts to occur, is where you want to be, and from 180 that was only possible with a side effect inducing statin like high dose creator, or a PCSK9,inhibitor like Repatha.

From 150 you can get down to 45-50 with the regime I mentioned.

 

[Buffed Shark]

There isn't anything. over the counter that's as effective, and even the stuff that is somewhat effective, like red yeast rice, is actually just a natural source of the active ingredient used in primitive 1st gen side effect inducing statins you want to avoid. They isolated it from natural sources to make the first statins, Pita is at the other end of the technological extreme. A perfectly (Japanese) engineered molecule that hits the cellular target to lower LDL without affecting anything else. That's why 4mg of Pita is as effective as 20mg of Crestor or 100mg of the original statins.

4mg Pitavastain is equal to LDL reduction of around 4000mg of Red Yeast Rice, though they're fundamentally the same thing. One is just the synthesized pure essence of the effective ingredient.

Simplest is to order Pitava and Ezetimebe from India pharma, about $45 and $15, respectively, for a 100 day supply of each. or, there's a way to get it via telemedicine in the US, for around. $80 and 15 minutes of effort without getting insurance involved or appearing in your medical record. LMK if interested in that option and I'll give you instructions.

Also, be aware that health insurance rates are never higher, and can't be denied coverage over cholesterol.

For Life and disability policies, you're not penalized if you're on meds for cholesterol. They'll rate you on lipid levels after meds. If LDL is under 100 at the time you apply, even if using a med to get there, that's enough to qualify for the best preferred rates, fyi. Same with BP. They care about how well it can be controlled and whether you're actually controlling it, not what it was without medications.

Thanks alot for this great info. I would certainly appreciate instructions on how to source it here would be great to get numbers to a healthy base before adding anything else.

The medical records isnt for health its for life. Thats actually my profession and while you are absolutely right about underwriters wanting to see controlled numbers. Underwriting guide lines can get more complex and tricky when it comes to anything like high bp, chol. And diabetes. The better carriers wouldn't issue anything better than standard rating if one has any of those 3 things even if it was minor. They'll give standard and sub standard ratings even for a past use of metformin for pre diabetics. I got a ton of those stories, interesting you know about this stuff. Are you in the same profession?

Again appreciate your input and you taking the time to read my post and respond to it.

 

[Buffed Shark]

Welcome to MESO. Nice intro!

Thank u

 

[Ghoul]

Thanks alot for this great info. I would certainly appreciate instructions on how to source it here would be great to get numbers to a healthy base before adding anything else.

The medical records isnt for health its for life. Thats actually my profession and while you are absolutely right about underwriters wanting to see controlled numbers. Underwriting guide lines can get more complex and tricky when it comes to anything like high bp, chol. And diabetes. The better carriers wouldn't issue anything better than standard rating if one has any of those 3 things even if it was minor. They'll give standard and sub standard ratings even for a past use of metformin for pre diabetics. I got a ton of those stories, interesting you know about this stuff. Are you in the same profession?

Again appreciate your input and you taking the time to read my post and respond to it.

Not in the business but heavily insured, and been upping my coverage limits regularly. The types of limits that go beyond the traveling nurse and basic record checks to bringing in third parties to review medical just in case in house staff missed something, lol.

Since the slightest increase in assessed risk can cost me $$$$, I'm paranoid about anything impacting rates and always make sure to do my due diligence before letting any medical condition make it into my records.

 

[Buffed Shark]

Not in the business but heavily insured, and been upping my coverage limits regularly. The types of limits that go beyond the traveling nurse and basic record checks to bringing in third parties to review medical just in case in house staff missed something, lol.

Since the slightest increase in assessed risk can cost me $$$$, I'm paranoid about anything impacting rates and always make sure to do my due diligence before letting any medical condition make it into my records.

Thats the way to go. Yea i know those can get tricky at times. If you'd like any help navigating any of it will be happy to be a resource and i wont try to take your business i'm doing alright lol.

Would appreciate if you can send me those instructions on how to source it locally as you mentioned.

Appreciate your insight

 

[Ghoul]

Ok, since Sesame Care, GoodRx Care, and Cost Plus Drugs are "Direct Pay", never involving insurance claims, using these services doesn't create an entry accessible via Medical Information Bureau records, which you already know, insurers use, The only way they'd know is if you told them.

In addition, they don't require a SSN, and most of the time not even an ID for another layer of confidentiality.

So first create an account with Cost Plus Drugs.

Then follow these (slightly sloppy) directions below to use GoodRXGold Care or Sesame. Set up an account on one of these. Then just make an appointment via their site or app. You can usually get one within an hour. Have the prescription sent into Cost Plus Drugs.

That's it. Let me know if you have any questions.

If you have a cover story you'd prefer to use feel free to use it. The gist here is to let them know you have high LDL. used to be prescribed Pita 4mg and Ezetimebe and they worked well for you, and you currently don't have a primary care physician (just moved. lost insurance coverage, whatever, they don't care) so you need a refill. It's been months since you ran out and need more.

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Sep 2, 2025

This is great thank you. Much appreciated. Do you use a specific telehealth company? I am only familiar with drsays where I get my labs. They also have a telehealth thing that I have never used.

I like Sesame (but only if you're a costco member, otherwise instead of $29 appointments it's $45+)

The cheapest option is GoodRx Gold. Sign up for the $9.99 / mo deal. The first month is free. It makes telehealth appts $19.99. You can always get 2 prescripts. sometimes 3 from an appt. Cancel within the first 30 days if you want.

https://www.goodrx.com/gold/sign-up

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• Ghoul

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[Buffed Shark]

Ok, since Sesame Care, GoodRx Care, and Cost Plus Drugs are "Direct Pay", never involving insurance claims, using these services doesn't create an entry accessible via Medical Information Bureau records, which you already know, insurers use, The only way they'd know is if you told them.

In addition, they don't require a SSN, and most of the time not even an ID for another layer of confidentiality.

So first create an account with Cost Plus Drugs.

Then follow these (slightly sloppy) directions below to use GoodRXGold Care or Sesame. Set up an account on one of these. Then just make an appointment via their site or app. You can usually get one within an hour. Have the prescription sent into Cost Plus Drugs.

That's it. Let me know if you have any questions.

If you have a cover story you'd prefer to use feel free to use it. The gist here is to let them know you have high LDL. used to be prescribed Pita 4mg and Ezetimebe and they worked well for you, and you currently don't have a primary care physician (just moved. lost insurance coverage, whatever, they don't care) so you need a refill. It's been months since you ran out and need more.

MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'PCT 24X7 "1 stop shop for all day healthcare"'

Sep 2, 2025

This is great thank you. Much appreciated. Do you use a specific telehealth company? I am only familiar with drsays where I get my labs. They also have a telehealth thing that I have never used.

I like Sesame (but only if you're a costco member, otherwise instead of $29 appointments it's $45+)

The cheapest option is GoodRx Gold. Sign up for the $9.99 / mo deal. The first month is free. It makes telehealth appts $19.99. You can always get 2 prescripts. sometimes 3 from an appt. Cancel within the first 30 days if you want.

https://www.goodrx.com/gold/sign-up

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• Ghoul

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You're a real G. Thanks man. Will let know how it goes.

While we are at it. I'm having a crazy idea of running superdrol. I'm not planning to stack it or even have a consistent dose of it. But i was thinking to take it once a week i train a lagging bodypart in with arms. So was thinking of doing 10 -20 mg once a week on that day. I saw a couple of threads on it here but they were mostly trying to run it on cycle not just as a sparodic pre workout that helps me push on that one day aweek.

I'm aware its super hepatoxic. My liver enzymes are all in check and i quit alcohol completely about a yr ago. Would love to hear your thoughts. Also not sure how long i'd run it but i'm trying to weigh how much damage from 20mg / week if its anything close or better than the boost i get from var i'd be very happy to try it out within reason.

 

[Dial It In]

You're a real G. Thanks man. Will let know how it goes.

While we are at it. I'm having a crazy idea of running superdrol. I'm not planning to stack it or even have a consistent dose of it. But i was thinking to take it once a week i train a lagging bodypart in with arms. So was thinking of doing 10 -20 mg once a week on that day. I saw a couple of threads on it here but they were mostly trying to run it on cycle not just as a sparodic pre workout that helps me push on that one day aweek.

I'm aware its super hepatoxic. My liver enzymes are all in check and i quit alcohol completely about a yr ago. Would love to hear your thoughts. Also not sure how long i'd run it but i'm trying to weigh how much damage from 20mg / week if its anything close or better than the boost i get from var i'd be very happy to try it out within reason.

I wouldn’t add anything til you fix that other issue.

 

[Buffed Shark]

I wouldn’t add anything til you fix that other issue.

Ok so you guys got my attention so i went to see the actual values and it seems like i over shot what i thought i had. May 25 LdL 151 July 25 125. Lost 15 pounds since then. May was the end of my var cycle.

I'm certainly not considering the superdrol at the moment but i'm curious about different thoughts not as a cycle but as a sparodic preworkout