MESO "Specialized" Testing Group Fund

Yup. Payday today.

Just sent 50$.
Thank you very much for taking the time and money to contribute. Means alot.

And I want to take a moment to thank everyone else who has contributed. I dont have a full list. Eyeballing it we have raised near $3k for this fund and balance is sizeable. If you want to react to this post or reply with your donation I will attempt to get a full list of all donors.

Thanks to @Sampei for being Fund Admin and @janoshik for his generous contribution on the tren project as well.

I haven't heard anything from MGMT / Millard about some kind of forum tag for members similar to the previous AnabolicLab label. That was a good idea someone had and shared with me privately.

Anyway, regardless of what the armchair shittalkers say, what we did isn't nothing.

We are doing sound testing and DOEs to the best of our ability given the technical and legal constraints we have.

FWIW I am proud of the folks who came together and hope this keeps growing.
 
Last edited:
Thanks for your reply. While I have already debunked most of this I will copy it over to the testing thread and provide my reply there. That way everyone who contributed is given full disclosure and transparency.

Person of my word.

Here you go @phenominal34

You claim ...

(1) I manipulated members and sources into helping me select the fairest TRA in the land

(2) I couldn't afford the testing on my own so I conned people into contributing

(3) This fund was originally set up out of nowhere specifically for TRA.

As I have time and interest I may waste more time addressing your blather. Sure would be easier putting you on ignore but that would just be lazy IMO and easy way out given how plain shitty your behavior is. Not only will you not contribute to something positive with this community testing fund, you seem hellbent on trying to tear it down.

Why?


Let me copy it here in big readable letters...

======

Here @readalot

I’ll answer it for you.

This is readalot …

Yes, I’m planning on running TREN A for the first time ever. So I decided to manipulate multiple members into thinking we’re gonna get some great info on the color of TREN A !! I had numerous members post pics of light colored TREN A and also sources too. Members donated to a fund for the testing of TREN A !!

Again I plan on taking TREN A in the near future. What a great way to get a lot of “data” back and also lure vendors into providing their TREN A pics to help me choose who to buy from.

I could not afford to do this on my own to gain all this for my upcoming run with TREN A so I decided to ask the community to help.

As you can see I havnt done a single thing with the testing of TREN A since the results have came back because I got what I wanted. I’m just waiting to heal up now to run my TREN A. The steroid that this out of no where fund was developed for.

Lol …. No more questions your honor.


=====
 
Last edited:
Person of my word.

Here you go @phenominal34

You claim ...

(1) I manipulated members and sources into helping me select the fairest TRA in the land

(2) I couldn't afford the testing on my own so I conned people into contributing

(3) This fund was originally set up out of nowhere specifically for TRA.

As I have time and interest I may waste more time addressing your blather. Sure would be easier putting you on ignore but that would just be lazy IMO and easy way out given how plain shitty your behavior is. Not only will you not contribute to something positive with this community testing fund, you seem hellbent on trying to tear it down.

Why?


Let me copy it here in big readable letters...

======

Here @readalot

I’ll answer it for you.

This is readalot …

Yes, I’m planning on running TREN A for the first time ever. So I decided to manipulate multiple members into thinking we’re gonna get some great info on the color of TREN A !! I had numerous members post pics of light colored TREN A and also sources too. Members donated to a fund for the testing of TREN A !!

Again I plan on taking TREN A in the near future. What a great way to get a lot of “data” back and also lure vendors into providing their TREN A pics to help me choose who to buy from.

I could not afford to do this on my own to gain all this for my upcoming run with TREN A so I decided to ask the community to help.

As you can see I havnt done a single thing with the testing of TREN A since the results have came back because I got what I wanted. I’m just waiting to heal up now to run my TREN A. The steroid that this out of no where fund was developed for.

Lol …. No more questions your honor
.

=====
I Knewewew it!!!! Your only out for yourself!! AND I TRUSTED YoU!!
 
Person of my word.

Here you go @phenominal34
im a little late to the party, but please let this be the last word from that guy in here.

think its pretty clear by now he has nothing constructive to add. and is full of bullshit

just let him reply in here for the future and get disliked to bottom of the sea at the chum bucket
 
Majority of the US Dom vendors are using bottletop filters.
They are made up of a single piece of plastic + a filter membrane in the middle.

View attachment 346499

Vast majority of bottle-top filters are made of polystyrene.
It is cheap, easy to source and comes sterilized.
It does not make sense for most dom vendors to upgrade as they do not sell liters of oil like the Chinese.
Polystyrene melts/leeches when it comes in contact with MCT or BB or BA.
It is a clear plastic, even if it melts into your oil, you wont see it and it won't affect the mg/ml significantly.

View attachment 346500

30 minutes at 50 C when exposed to BA/BB
View attachment 346501
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acssuschemeng.3c08154

In addition to the plastic leeching, the filters used may also dissolve when exposed to BA/BB.

PVDF filters can only be used for low BB solutions.
PTFE is best, but can be difficult to source.
Nylon is in between.

Higher concentration/solvent gear like SUS500/T500/TRE400/TNE/Inj Orals etc need better filters (PTFE), else you end up with both melted plastic (Polystyrene) and filters.

The project involves
(1) Working with Jano to come up with a test to detect melted polystyrene (maybe melted filters as well?)
(2) Collecting US Dom gear and sending it for testing.

Unfortunately due to personal reasons, I will not be running the project.
If someone else is interested, they may lead it else we can scrap the idea.

I will help out with (1) -- I plan to send TRE400 for polystyrene detection in a week or two when my raws arrive.

Results of 2 vials sent out for polystyrene detection.

TRE400
Red colored TRE

Yellow colored TRE

Due to personal reasons, I will be significantly reducing my vendor bought gear and will not be running the project. If anyone wants to continue with the project, please feel free.
 
Results of 2 vials sent out for polystyrene detection.

TRE400
Red colored TRE

Yellow colored TRE

Due to personal reasons, I will be significantly reducing my vendor bought gear and will not be running the project. If anyone wants to continue with the project, please feel free.
i see quinones, quinoxalines, pyrazines, pyrroles. this are not stuff we want in our solutions??

can we get more details on the vial age, degradation methods etc?
 
Yellow vial is new batch, maybe August(?).
No degradation method, just sending of vendor sealed vial in for testing.
Nothing to do with Tren color testing.
i defiently still read these as tren byproducts of a reaction of oxidising the oil into toxic compounds.(7-12)

maybe it truly has nothing to do with color, but those findings explain some of the tren issues
 
i defiently still read these as tren byproducts of a reaction of oxidising the oil into toxic compounds.(7-12)

maybe it truly has nothing to do with color, but those findings explain some of the tren issues
Plus a healthy dose of this anabolic must have:



@Photon busted open a big concern with high dose gear and the BB that comes with it and impact of filter type.

Incredible work @Photon.

Glad you are back @dinfar1337. This is right up your chemical sleuthing alley.

Look at that nitrogen floating around.
 
Results of 2 vials sent out for polystyrene detection.

TRE400
Red colored TRE

Yellow colored TRE

Due to personal reasons, I will be significantly reducing my vendor bought gear and will not be running the project. If anyone wants to continue with the project, please feel free.

For reference, if you see Kain's TRA, looks really clean.
1758478890412.webp

Why does the TRE look like this?
Raws tested 96%+ by vendor.
1758478952634.webp
1758478918313.webp

Also this..1,4-Naphthoquinone, 6-acetyl-2,5,8-trihydroxy-, in the clear yellow vial, not the other. Is this used as a dye?
 
@Photon busted open a big concern with high dose gear and the BB that comes with it and impact of filter type.
these findings also suggest color plays a role in this

both color and toxicity comes from the quinones and pyrazines(these are not caused by normal degradation with test + oil but are specific to tren + oil oxidiation) which are toxic in many ways but supports our main theory of color + oxidiative stress.

i will research this further and reply later tonight(im gonna go gym for 3-4 hours soons after eating this meal so expect a reply in like 6 hours time)
 
@kain you made those vials just using PTFE/PP syringe filter IIRC?

No bottletop filter right?
maybe it could also just be forced degradation vs natural degradation overtime. we dont know every factor playing in here

as said maybe we should have kept a control vial for +5 years but you laughed at me back then xd
 

Sponsors

Back
Top