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We had a 10 year old vial at the ready but no one wanted to test. May still be available @Nixonnow99.
back then we couldn't have known it would be useful but defiently now maybe it is to identify unique oil oxidation byproducts induced by mixing with tren and if we can compare some of the findings to photons test and find similiarities
 
Do we know whether Jano used the same set up for both tests (TRA and TRE 400)? If not, that could explain some of the differences.
 
Maybe he didn’t want you to think you guys were wasting your money. If it just kept coming back blank it makes sense he would adjust things.
i'm not entirely sure how to read gcms reports either, This whole experiment was a little over my head , lol , jk , but at least theres some effort being made, and it did provide some useful data, again a little outta my pay grade so ,Have a Grateful Day
 
For reference, if you see Kain's TRA, looks really clean.
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Why does the TRE look like this?
Raws tested 96%+ by vendor.
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Also this..1,4-Naphthoquinone, 6-acetyl-2,5,8-trihydroxy-, in the clear yellow vial, not the other. Is this used as a dye?
@janoshik

What's your take on the rock solid results with TRA vs other stuff in TRE. Were the other peaks (7-12 on this latest round) in the raw? The TRA raw was obviously righteously pure.

I can't imagine anything change on your GC injection procedure between those results.
 
Not different tests, a different set up of his equipment. Otherwise what explains tren degradation products showing up in this new test but not the one where it was specifically degraded?.
You might be getting confused. Two different tren projects are In This thread. The first tren project was regarding the color variance and degradation of raw materials via heat exposure. This second project is ultimately concerned with plastics leeching into finished projects from processing /filtering. Im pretty sure all material is undergoing the same testing but additionally testing for plastics in second test run? I have a hard time following what is happening in here sometimes too.
 
You might be getting confused. Two different projects tren projects are I. This thread. The first tren project was regarding the color variance and degradation of raw materials. This second project is ultimately concerned with plastics leeching into finished projects from processing /filtering. Im pretty sure all material is undergoing the same testing but additionally testing for plastics? I have a hard time following what is happening in here sometimes too.

Yes
Two projects.
The latter is not Tren related, its just that i bought TRE400 so i sent it for testing. Additional screening for plastic, yes.
 
Yes
Two projects.
The latter is not Tren related, its just that i bought TRE400 so i sent it for testing. Additional screening for plastic, yes.
The screening method is the same though. The question is has peak 3 been seen on any other GCMS reports or was there some change to GC injection method or column conditions. My take is nothing special was done to pick up the peak at 15.442 min. I asked Jano.
 
Not different tests, a different set up of his equipment. Otherwise what explains tren degradation products showing up in this new test but not the one where it was specifically degraded?.
higher dose, different degradation factors. different vial life, different oils & raw product. different brewing.

we want to look at this, and gather as much info on the new byproducts we can & isolate the x in this equation for why?

janoshik had also been confused about this and said our recent testing is different from other tren he has looked at.

and the peaks from 7-12 is tren and its products which some of are not good we defiently dont want those in our tren and theres few i've ever never seen before which i also have to look into myself.

if possible it would great if janoshik could chime in on peak 7, 8 and 11 and then we can do a deep dive into it
 
Results of 2 vials sent out for polystyrene detection.

TRE400
Red colored TRE

Yellow colored TRE

Due to personal reasons, I will be significantly reducing my vendor bought gear and will not be running the project. If anyone wants to continue with the project, please feel free.
I'm sure you've shared it already, but how much was one of these tests?

I wonder what one would look like with some standard test cyp 250?
 
I wonder what one would look like with some standard test cyp 250?

Always BA BB Oil.
Ideally nothing else.

 
Always BA BB Oil.
Ideally nothing else.

Sorry I meant would we see apparent leeched plastic in a lower concentration vial. Or am I totally missing the point here and it's more leeched plastic?
 
Sorry I meant would we see apparent leeched plastic in a lower concentration vial. Or am I totally missing the point here and it's more leeched plastic?
I think I follow what you’re asking….certain “solvents” are more responsible for disintegrating the plastic than others. So the higher the concentration of the corrosive solvent, within the finished oil, the more likely plastics will be found in the sample. Theoretically some products will be more affected than others.

It is also my impression most of this contamination occurs during the filtration process. There is potential for the filter housing and filters themselves being susceptible to to the solvents.

Feel free to correct me if I’m mistaken. I’m only trying to follow along myself.
 
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