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I want to say no amount of plastic is acceptable and throw away what I have, then wait for a vendor to make cleaner products. I know the answer is brew my own but I don't have the time for that and can't prioritize it over other responsibilities I have right now.
The throw away comment may sound dramatic but it's frustrating to have spent all this money and to have to question, or know for a fact, that I am injecting one-tenth to half-a-ml of plastic or whatever, per vial.

...speaking of priorities I recall people talking about rather not having the price go up by a buck or two per vial to upgrade the equipment to non-leeching plastic. Seems absolutely insane (to me) to not want an improvement for such a low cost. I'd pay an additional $10 per vial no problem for the right stoppers, filters, etc. and the testing.
It's been said before but if you don't want that product at the slightly increased price point go buy from the dozens of existing vendors or just buy chinese if you don't care. Why try to impede progress of there being one or two vendors who separate themselves from the pack.
Call it "boutique" or 'bougie" but count me in.

These results make me think about recent findings of cadavers and finding microplastics in their testicles. I'd hate to see the results of a multi year/decade steroid user.

Super happy to see people like @Photon and @readalot and others pushing for improvement (I donated to the specialized fund for what it's worth and props to Primal as well for his efforts) but also bummed to see them taking a step back in their testing roles. Totally understandable because their efforts often go unnoticed or worse people talk shit to them. A good example is when the tren color results came back. People saying shit like "oh look it didn't prove what you wanted"...it's like fuck you! You wouldn't know that without them doing the damn testing!!! A person may want the testing to confirm suspicions but you don't know anything without the results...even if they don't go in your favor...and that is great because at least we KNOW something.

Ugh...I often see so much pushback on here and I commend the other guys for being able to deal with it much better than I would.
I hope further product improvements are made for the sake of harm reduction and again I'm thankful for all the guys pushing for it.
You are going to be shocked at the amount of plastics already in your drinking water, in the foods you consume and in your tissues and blood. But go ahead and throw away your gear. Lol
 
Can you move all the testing and improvements discussion to a separate thread
I don't have that power. Not an admin. The posts have already been made.

Thanks for honestly admitting you are serious. Actual plastic additive/monomer (?) found in the gear and wait for it ... "nothing to see here, move along". Inject it into your body? Sure, full send.

Appreciate you sharing.
 
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You are going to be shocked at the amount of plastics already in your drinking water, in the foods you consume and in your tissues and blood. But go ahead and throw away your gear. Lol
Maybe shocked? but definitely disappointed hence me having water filtration systems.
The food I can only do so much about. A lot of the protein we eat is wild game I've killed so I'm hopeful that I'm "reducing harm" in both my water and food.
Definitely not "reducing harm" to those poor deer, elk and antelope lol.

I guess I'm confused a bit. Are you arguing that the existence of plastics in our water and food means we should not try to reduce it? Answer if you'd like or don't, as it does not change the fact that I'll try to reduce it where possible. Even in gear no matter how silly that may seem to you.
 
I want to say no amount of plastic is acceptable and throw away what I have, then wait for a vendor to make cleaner products. I know the answer is brew my own but I don't have the time for that and can't prioritize it over other responsibilities I have right now.
The throw away comment may sound dramatic but it's frustrating to have spent all this money and to have to question, or know for a fact, that I am injecting one-tenth to half-a-ml of plastic or whatever, per vial.

...speaking of priorities I recall people talking about rather not having the price go up by a buck or two per vial to upgrade the equipment to non-leeching plastic. Seems absolutely insane (to me) to not want an improvement for such a low cost. I'd pay an additional $10 per vial no problem for the right stoppers, filters, etc. and the testing.
It's been said before but if you don't want that product at the slightly increased price point go buy from the dozens of existing vendors or just buy chinese if you don't care. Why try to impede progress of there being one or two vendors who separate themselves from the pack.
Call it "boutique" or 'bougie" but count me in.

These results make me think about recent findings of cadavers and finding microplastics in their testicles. I'd hate to see the results of a multi year/decade steroid user.

Super happy to see people like @Photon and @readalot and others pushing for improvement (I donated to the specialized fund for what it's worth and props to Primal as well for his efforts) but also bummed to see them taking a step back in their testing roles. Totally understandable because their efforts often go unnoticed or worse people talk shit to them. A good example is when the tren color results came back. People saying shit like "oh look it didn't prove what you wanted"...it's like fuck you! You wouldn't know that without them doing the damn testing!!! A person may want the testing to confirm suspicions but you don't know anything without the results...even if they don't go in your favor...and that is great because at least we KNOW something.

Ugh...I often see so much pushback on here and I commend the other guys for being able to deal with it much better than I would.
I hope further product improvements are made for the sake of harm reduction and again I'm thankful for all the guys pushing for it.
Lol the increase in price argument was not about filtering equipment. It was about stoppers and crimps. No one, that I know of, was arguing for less filtering and less quality equipment.
 
Neither of these posts are arguing against upgrading equipment.
Oh, that's good.

These posts are an obvious highlight of the moving goalposts of what this thread has become.

As you learn more you adapt. We collected some key new info today. As @Photon already highlighted. Now with real world data. Hence, the material used in bottletop filters is important.
 
Maybe shocked? but definitely disappointed hence me having water filtration systems.
The food I can only do so much about. A lot of the protein we eat is wild game I've killed so I'm hopeful that I'm "reducing harm" in both my water and food.
Definitely not "reducing harm" to those poor deer, elk and antelope lol.

I guess I'm confused a bit. Are you arguing that the existence of plastics in our water and food means we should not try to reduce it? Answer if you'd like or don't, as it does not change the fact that I'll try to reduce it where possible. Even in gear no matter how silly that may seem to you.
I agree with this line of thinking. A lot of people have started thinking this way the past 5-10 years too.

We want less crap in our food, drinks, household cleaners, fragrances, soaps- less crap in everything including our gear.
 
Lol the increase in price argument was not about filtering equipment. It was about stoppers and crimps. No one, that I know of, was arguing for less filtering and less quality equipment.
Ok so regarding the moving the goalposts comment, is that referring to that once we have tests showing undesirable "contaminants", we don't say hey can that stuff be removed?
If that is moving the goalposts, is it your preference that we don't now ask for improvement (should not move the goalposts)?

So are you for better filters, stoppers, etc. even with a cost increase of a few dollars?
It's just odd to me that people keep commenting on this. It feels like pushback. I wish people would just flat out say don't change the equipment even at a small cost increase, keep the plastic I like it like that (and then buy from someone who doesn't care about improvement and lower price point is their determining factor).
Or like some of us are saying, please improve the products in the spirit of harm reduction. Why not align with that??
 
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