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[sionnach]

I know he has fun in here but @sionnach really knows his stuff. Would love to hear what he thinks.

Sorry if this turns into a spammy tl;dr, @BamaCrazy . I just got my ass beat (I didn't tap tho) and am running exclusively on caffeine for the rest of the day.

All respect to @janoshik , he's the fucking wizard at this shit. He's run more AAS samples than probably anyone on the planet at this point, and if that's the common way to run adrol, so be it.

I'm just a retard on the internet - I didn't even know adrol would react with methanol. If I had, and it were my machine, instead of adding peaks of the reaction products for an estimate, I'd probably just use a different solvent. But, that requires some setup time, not to mention different materials and SOPs for the extraction techs, and all of that doesn't mesh well with being slammed 24/7 like our homie is. So best case, I'd need to wait for a bunch of adrol samples to pile up and knock them out in one day (meaning everything else gets delayed), or worst case, tell the customer we don't do adrol.

I don't have enough data to say it's the method though. 30% is a lot of variance, if it's the raws those are dogshit raws. But two sources coming up so short is for sure wacky.

tl;dr I don't fuckin know.

 

[JBird99]

A little Teflon tape around the threads?

I will definitely check that out I almost considered using those food storage bins and just placing my stuff in there with some desiccant packs

 

[JBird99]

I'll get some links for you later tonight, heading to the gym now. Back day baby!

Appreciate that!

 

[phenominal34]

I'll probably throw my bottles into a doubled up zip lock bag with dessicants.

And a bunch of double stuffed Oreos, who you kidding

 

[phenominal34]

Sorry if this turns into a spammy tl;dr, @BamaCrazy . I just got my ass beat (I didn't tap tho) and am running exclusively on caffeine for the rest of the day.

All respect to @janoshik , he's the fucking wizard at this shit. He's run more AAS samples than probably anyone on the planet at this point, and if that's the common way to run adrol, so be it.

I'm just a retard on the internet - I didn't even know adrol would react with methanol. If I had, and it were my machine, instead of adding peaks of the reaction products for an estimate, I'd probably just use a different solvent. But, that requires some setup time, not to mention different materials and SOPs for the extraction techs, and all of that doesn't mesh well with being slammed 24/7 like our homie is. So best case, I'd need to wait for a bunch of adrol samples to pile up and knock them out in one day (meaning everything else gets delayed), or worst case, tell the customer we don't do adrol.

I don't have enough data to say it's the method though. 30% is a lot of variance, if it's the raws those are dogshit raws. But two sources coming up so short is for sure wacky.

tl;dr I don't fuckin know.

You have a nice training partner then or you know your defense to subs.

 

[BigDadd7]

And a bunch of double stuffed Oreos, who you kidding

Dessicant packs to keep them crispy!

 

[crispybacon!]

I got a ridiculous amount of Anadrol, Anavar and Winstrol, so I bought airtight pill bottles, small oxygen absorbers, and small dessicant packs for moisture absorption. I haven't decided where to store them all yet, looking into fridge and freezer storage for tablets. Oxygen, moisture, heat and light are all enemies.

Dry&Dry make a variety of sizes. I recommend the ones specifically made for food & medication.

 

[sionnach]

You have a nice training partner then or you know your defense to subs.

Plot twist: it was the 5-8yo class.

 

[ve79]

Prefer NPP over deca faster acting and can control sides

I never tried npp but I love Deca and it works well for me

 

[readalot]

Love love love that you are pushing on the science, genuinely. Respectfully, some of the thread is getting ahead of the methods and treating a complex analytical question like it’s binary. In practice, variables like solvent choice (methanol adducts), pH, sample prep, column chemistry, gradient, internal standards, and calibration all influence what you “see.” That’s why two HPLC results can diverge without anyone acting in bad faith.

We’re here for the scrutiny, just want to avoid turning hypotheticals into headlines that spook people. Please guys, let’s stay methodical, compare apples to apples, and let the data speak.

I know he has fun in here but @sionnach really knows his stuff. Would love to hear what he thinks.

That is why spike recoveries are included as part of developing any validated analytical method. You would spike say 50 mg of oxymetholone standard into the sample or matrix you are trying to study and see how much you recover.

@janoshik I didn't see a clear answer. Is there a concern with method accuracy/precision for oxymetholone with your HPLC method in a sodium bicarbonate matrix? I read your comments posted on the forum but don't see any warnings on your details page with respect to certain binders or fillers.

https://janoshik.com/details/

Reactive artifact? Sodium bicarbonate is slightly soluble in MeOH.

Or are we to the point of having to derivatize samples and run GCMS to chase these things down? Honestly, the casual reader is left scratching their head.

Thank you.

 

[sionnach]

That is why spike recoveries are included as part of developing any validated analytical method. You would spike say 50 mg of oxymetholone standard into the sample or matrix you are trying to study and see how much you recover.

@janoshik I didn't see a clear answer. Is there a concern with method accuracy/precision for oxymetholone with your HPLC method in a sodium bicarbonate matrix? I read your comments posted on the forum but don't see any warnings on your details page with respect to certain binders or fillers.

https://janoshik.com/details/

Reactive artifact? Sodium bicarbonate is slightly soluble in MeOH.

Or are we to the point of having to derivatize samples with BSTFA and run GCMS to chase these things down. Honestly, the casual reader is left scratching their head.

Thank you.

FYI I went back through every jano-ed anadrol in the Lab Analysis forum and the large majority of them are spot on, but I haven't cross-referenced that data with known fillers used by each source yet. Normally I'd chalk this up to undermixed powder pre-capping. The monkeywrenches in this theory are the two different sources in two different capsule types, and that we don't have the normal 3-cap sample size for the tests.

I've been on a superdrol kick lately and dunno if I have any ana in the apocalypse bunker but I'll check. We could probably put together a team and raid @AllGoodThings to find some to send off, but if I know that guy at all, he's well fortified for such an incident. Very risky.

 

[sionnach]

MeOH reacts with anadrol

On the positive side of this revelation, we finally have some insight why Uncle Cletus died. He was shredded af but he did love his moonshine. RIP in peace.

 

[Photon]

FYI I went back through every jano-ed anadrol in the Lab Analysis forum and the large majority of them are spot on, but I haven't cross-referenced that data with known fillers used by each source yet. Normally I'd chalk this up to undermixed powder pre-capping. The monkeywrenches in this theory are the two different sources in two different capsule types, and that we don't have the normal 3-cap sample size for the tests.

These are the 3 vendors (incl primal)

Janoshik Analytical

Janoshik Analytical

Janoshik Analytical

For reference i believe the 25mgs tested out fine.

I was curious who was the vendor who had no steroids detected, apparently it was Neo when he first started out lol. He was filling capsules with baking soda to see how much AAS API was needed.

Post in thread 'Neo Anabolics (US DOMESTIC)'

Sep 19, 2024

Which math was used for your formulations? If you post up your calcs, you can probably get a peer review before heading to the lab.

Weigh empty capsule. Fill body with baking soda. Weigh filled capsule.

empty cap = 100mg
cap with baking soda = 880mg

880mg-100mg=780mg baking soda

empty cap = 100mg
cap with dbol = 340mg

340mg-100mg=240mg dbol

780mg filler density
240mg active density

25mg dbol=unknown mg filler
240mg dbol=780mg filler

25mg dbol x 780mg filler=240mg dbol x unknown mg filler

(25mg dbol x 780mg filler) / 240mg dbol = unknown mg filler

unknown mg...

• NeoAnabolics

Post in thread 'Neo Anabolics (US DOMESTIC)'

Oct 29, 2024

Right.
What exactly happened with the last one?

Could of made the mistake of sending caps that were weighed with filler instead of the mixed ones. Can’t think of anything else.

• NeoAnabolics

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I've been on a superdrol kick lately and dunno if I have any ana in the apocalypse bunker but I'll check. We could probably put together a team and raid @AllGoodThings to find some to send off, but if I know that guy at all, he's well fortified for such an incident. Very risky.

How is your liver values on it?
I'm planning to run a inj sdrol with glutathione log in future.

 

[BamaCrazy]

That is why spike recoveries are included as part of developing any validated analytical method. You would spike say 50 mg of oxymetholone standard into the sample or matrix you are trying to study and see how much you recover.

@janoshik I didn't see a clear answer. Is there a concern with method accuracy/precision for oxymetholone with your HPLC method in a sodium bicarbonate matrix? I read your comments posted on the forum but don't see any warnings on your details page with respect to certain binders or fillers.

https://janoshik.com/details/

Reactive artifact? Sodium bicarbonate is slightly soluble in MeOH.

Or are we to the point of having to derivatize samples and run GCMS to chase these things down? Honestly, the casual reader is left scratching their head.

Thank you.

Now you are tagging the guy who performs tests for us on the sources thread. Could you be any more lost???? Testing thread Readalot. Can you not read??

 

[sionnach]

How is your liver values on it?
I'm planning to run a inj sdrol with glutathione log in future.

Gtg, even with oral. ALP 41, AST 25, ALT 25. Just picked up some injectable to try out, will report back.

 

[AlexDavis43]

We’re here for the scrutiny, just want to avoid turning hypotheticals into headlines that spook people.

This happens way too often on this board

Please guys, let’s stay methodical, compare apples to apples, and let the data speak.

100%

Some members cite pharma inserts or cherry pick clinical trials and assume they apply equally to knuckle draggers... why? who tf knows

 

[Oldhand]

We could probably put together a team and raid @AllGoodThings to find some to send off, but if I know that guy at all, he's well fortified for such an incident. Very risky.

Count me out, that is a suicide mission. You can expect state of the art security like cameras with laser beams, and also the outdated stuff like a moat filled with crocodiles.

 

[AllbrandNew]

I've been on a superdrol kick lately and dunno if I have any ana in the apocalypse bunker but I'll check. We could probably put together a team and raid @AllGoodThings to find some to send off, but if I know that guy at all, he's well fortified for such an incident. Very risky.

I have a plan. We pose as door to door Primo and Mast salesmen and get in to review the security. Then launch an Ocean's 11 style heist of enough material to test, and hopefully not lose anyone in the process.

Edit: Step 3 is find a way to drain the batteries in his red dots and we're good.

 

[sionnach]

I have a plan. We pose as door to door Primo and Mast salesmen and get in to review the security. Then launch an Ocean's 11 style heist of enough material to test, and hopefully not lose anyone in the process.

Edit: Step 3 is find a way to drain the batteries in his red dots and we're good.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Don’t think anyone is spooked or that the attempt is to spook anyone. The data stated they were under dosed. Now if anything the questions being raised could explain the under dosing perhaps? Someone mentioned the following as well. If it’s the same raw source why didn’t we see the issue on the 25s if it’s the same filler skewing the data if the argument is the filler skewed results. Maybe I’m off on that. But I don’t believe anyone is trying to spook anyone. It’s just a discussion is all. Thanks for engagement with this discussion today. Again I don’t think the attempt is any sort of sabotage or to discredit.

I took this as a broader statement, not specifically the current anadrol testing

For example, in one of the GH threads, someone was saying things about GH degradation, and it caught on -- lots of members started parroting it -- and it was disproved with Jano testing and [more importantly imo] IGF1 testing

...but the testing came too late, once the seed was planted, members still ran with it... this is the point I think Primal was making, "wait for the data"