LGOP528
Member
And you will feel better doing it while using way less mg.
Last edited:
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Trest E/D sources?
- Thread starter ChemBB
- Start date
-
- Tags
- ment trest trestolone
LGOP528
Member
It’s coming and I don’t want to see the price of trest when it happens.
Photon
Member
It'll only happen when they can earn from it lol
LGOP528
Member
Then they will fuck it up for everyone just like they did primo, mast, and EQ.
As much as I love trest, it is not a beginner steroid. For the exact reason you pointed out, it doesn’t show up on bloodwork. If you don’t know your individual symptoms for high E2, it is going to be rough.
bloke
Member
Interested in Trest D if this ever makes its way into reality. I kept putting off ordering from AA and then it was too late.
ZHPC has it trest 100mg/ml why not just buy that one?
Liter O' Test
Member
i have 10 vials of trest E from PPL 8 years ago, they are in my grandmas attic
professionaldyel
Member
because of the current china situation we dont know if oils gets through customs in the US at least and i'm still waiting on a reply back on testing. Their domestic website is out of stock.
nutcase6174
Member
I think the E2 management aspect of it will scare off most people. Even with AI's lot of people just get horrible estrogen sides.
I'm an extremely low aromatizer so I pin estradiol enanthate alongside my trest, hcg, and/or dbol just to feel my best lmao. So the trest E2 barely does much for me.
nutcase6174
Member
I would if i had money but I spent this month's fun (gear) money on gh
then again, I also don't have money to waste on underdosed/contaminated gear, and ive never risked it with direct chinese vials that weren't tested by the reseller at least.
ChemBB
Member
I'm not sure how many people running solo Trest I've seen have genuine E2 issues
Always seems to be someone running Trest on top of Test base or other aromatizing compounds
I've run between 50mg - 300mg no AI and never had any E2 issues
bigdaddyandfriends
Member
There's a lot of misinformation about trest and e2. Have read multiple places AI's don't work because it's 'converted directly to estrogen in the liver without aromatase'. That makes zero sense... the only way any man or woman can produce any estrogen is from an endogenous or exogenous androgen that interacts with aromatase. That even includes the ovaries, androgens are made in theca cells, taken up by granulose cells that have very high levels of aromatase, and release estrogen into the blood.
Trestolone is not an efficient ligand for aromatase, similar to EQ and nandrolone, and unlike testosterone. Difference is the aromatization product is very potent with similar binding affinity as estradiol ~102% but much higher transactivation of the ER than estradiol, probably because the dissociation takes longer. And it's all free, none is bound to SHBG.
Competitive inhibitors work best with efficient ligands like testosterone. So use a non-competitive inhibitor like aromasin. It will work to a point - but even at a very high dose of 37.5-50mg/day, it will only drop estrogen around 70% in men so once a certain trestolone dose is exceeded, ie 50-100mg/day, it won't not be enough to control estrogen.
How much estrogen one can handle without obvious side effects is partially related to DHT levels. Many men with low-normal DHT levels don't tolerate more than 15-25 without dick problems, further rises cause excessive emotionality, water retention with weight gain and ^ BP, gyno, etc. Higher levels despite being the latest craze with TRT clinics are a risk factor for prostate cancer development.
Without test, figure 1 mg trestolone ~ 2mg testosterone in terms of total estrogenic activity. So run solo up to 70-105 mg/wk should be tolerable, although in reality less because DHT levels will drop, only being produced via the 'backdoor' pathway. In that case drop to 50-70mg/wk, which is about as anabolic as 500-700mg test. There is no need to run 350-750mg/wk trestolone, compared to test, EQ, nandrolone, primo, mast etc it has very high potency and likes everything else there is a point where more drug doesn't improve results. So dose it more like tren or DHB.
Adding small amounts of test ~ 35mg/wk with or 70mg/wk without HCG ~ 120iu/day will help maintain DHT levels and not contribute too much estradiol. Daily HCG dosing keeps the boys awake add minimizes estrogen production. Adding a DHT derivative (ie mast, or proviron if you don't care about anabolism) or primo/DHB might be helpful too, although systemic DHT behaves far different than DHT locally produced by 5⍺R from testosterone.
In my case primo and EQ have not significantly affected my estrogen level, so it's aromasin for me. I've been taking the 25mg tablets and breaking them into four pieces (pretty easy with Exesin from PCT24x7) and taken one piece about 4-5 days a week. Pharma AIs are poorly dosed for men on TRT/gear, rather they are dosed for postmenopausal women with breast cancer; some UGL really needs to create low dose tabs ~ 6.25mg aromasin or 0.25mg anastrozole.
Trestolone is not an efficient ligand for aromatase, similar to EQ and nandrolone, and unlike testosterone. Difference is the aromatization product is very potent with similar binding affinity as estradiol ~102% but much higher transactivation of the ER than estradiol, probably because the dissociation takes longer. And it's all free, none is bound to SHBG.
Competitive inhibitors work best with efficient ligands like testosterone. So use a non-competitive inhibitor like aromasin. It will work to a point - but even at a very high dose of 37.5-50mg/day, it will only drop estrogen around 70% in men so once a certain trestolone dose is exceeded, ie 50-100mg/day, it won't not be enough to control estrogen.
How much estrogen one can handle without obvious side effects is partially related to DHT levels. Many men with low-normal DHT levels don't tolerate more than 15-25 without dick problems, further rises cause excessive emotionality, water retention with weight gain and ^ BP, gyno, etc. Higher levels despite being the latest craze with TRT clinics are a risk factor for prostate cancer development.
Without test, figure 1 mg trestolone ~ 2mg testosterone in terms of total estrogenic activity. So run solo up to 70-105 mg/wk should be tolerable, although in reality less because DHT levels will drop, only being produced via the 'backdoor' pathway. In that case drop to 50-70mg/wk, which is about as anabolic as 500-700mg test. There is no need to run 350-750mg/wk trestolone, compared to test, EQ, nandrolone, primo, mast etc it has very high potency and likes everything else there is a point where more drug doesn't improve results. So dose it more like tren or DHB.
Adding small amounts of test ~ 35mg/wk with or 70mg/wk without HCG ~ 120iu/day will help maintain DHT levels and not contribute too much estradiol. Daily HCG dosing keeps the boys awake add minimizes estrogen production. Adding a DHT derivative (ie mast, or proviron if you don't care about anabolism) or primo/DHB might be helpful too, although systemic DHT behaves far different than DHT locally produced by 5⍺R from testosterone.
In my case primo and EQ have not significantly affected my estrogen level, so it's aromasin for me. I've been taking the 25mg tablets and breaking them into four pieces (pretty easy with Exesin from PCT24x7) and taken one piece about 4-5 days a week. Pharma AIs are poorly dosed for men on TRT/gear, rather they are dosed for postmenopausal women with breast cancer; some UGL really needs to create low dose tabs ~ 6.25mg aromasin or 0.25mg anastrozole.
Last edited:
bigdaddyandfriends
Member
And always start with ace to get it dialed in. Acetate in MCT oil has a very, very short half life as does the free compound, as none of it binds to SHBG meaning it gets eliminated quickly. So if you want more stable blood levels, do twice a day injections.
Or stick with once a day for convenience and take advantage of the high peaks and low troughs - this can help with sleep and side effects like Hct elevation and high E2 conversion (troughs minimize and peaks maximize side effects, that's one reason why EQ is notorious for high HCT elevation, with primo and longer test esters right behind it). At least with once a day injections, trest ace, test prop, etc should not raise hct.
Once you figure out a good dose, consider moving to enanthate if once a day injections are bothersome. Obviously more mg will be required because of the higher ester weight. I do recommend the ZPHC Ultra Mix - per 250mg/ml it has 100 test, 90 mast, 50 tren, and 10 trest - all E. Normally I avoid mixes but this one is really good and well thought out blend. There is a solid domestic source for it, but it's pricey at $120/vial, almost double buying from China. And I've never seen this source offer discounts.
After enanthate is dialed in and it's decided to stay on long term, decanoate is convenient. But if the dosing is off, by the time you realize there is a problem it's going to be a long road to fix it...
Last, inject it IM. While low volumes are conducive to subQ admin, I noticed considerably less aromatization when injecting IM - with trest and testosterone too. I guess it makes sense when putting the drug directly into fat tissue with known high aromatase expression.
Or stick with once a day for convenience and take advantage of the high peaks and low troughs - this can help with sleep and side effects like Hct elevation and high E2 conversion (troughs minimize and peaks maximize side effects, that's one reason why EQ is notorious for high HCT elevation, with primo and longer test esters right behind it). At least with once a day injections, trest ace, test prop, etc should not raise hct.
Once you figure out a good dose, consider moving to enanthate if once a day injections are bothersome. Obviously more mg will be required because of the higher ester weight. I do recommend the ZPHC Ultra Mix - per 250mg/ml it has 100 test, 90 mast, 50 tren, and 10 trest - all E. Normally I avoid mixes but this one is really good and well thought out blend. There is a solid domestic source for it, but it's pricey at $120/vial, almost double buying from China. And I've never seen this source offer discounts.
After enanthate is dialed in and it's decided to stay on long term, decanoate is convenient. But if the dosing is off, by the time you realize there is a problem it's going to be a long road to fix it...
Last, inject it IM. While low volumes are conducive to subQ admin, I noticed considerably less aromatization when injecting IM - with trest and testosterone too. I guess it makes sense when putting the drug directly into fat tissue with known high aromatase expression.
I just started injecting ment A twice a day to see if I feel any difference. I did two weeks once a day. Dose at the moment is 25mg/day
So it will be 12.5mg twice a day. I wonder if I'll have less gain from the lower peak but it will feel better due to more stable levels. No idea at all
Looking at some steroid plotter graph it looks almost the same down low even at twice a day but the peak is a lot smaller...
Last edited:
nutcase6174
Member
I actually don't notice much of a difference in terms of estrogen from subq vs im, just IM hits faster.
But like I mentioned, I still need to inject estrogen and hcg on top of 25mg/day trest and/or stack dbol just to get to a good place.
bigdaddyandfriends
Member
You must have some deficient aromatase genes… I’m jelly
Anything over 105mg/wk test E plus a little HCG and I’m in AI territory. Primo had no effect, was hoping EQ would but > 6 weeks in and so far not much… will give it amother month or so, then probably be done with it. I definitely get way more result from DHB at a much lower dosage compared to EQ re: strength.
Mast helps some of the symptoms from high E2 - water retention and gyno mainly - so either down modulates ERα or upregulates ERβ, but doesn’t affect libido/ED or actual E2 levels. Haven’t tried Proviron but it’s not sure it has any real advantage over taking Aromasin, as it’s not anabolic at all and is rough in hair and will further tank SHBG.
nutcase6174
Member
Anybody have any experience with PPL 100mg trest ace? Seems like a good deal for domestic $190 for 20mL at 100mg/mL
bigdaddyandfriends
Member
what source is PPL? Thought I knew them all
not a bad price for US domestic…is there any testing on it from Jano or Analiza?
Purple panda lab
nutcase6174
Member
Purple Panda Labs. They’re on here actually. They are an older source but are fairly large. They have a very interesting assortment of rotating products, like for example the 20mL trest ace at 100mg/mL, or their estradiol injectables in more esther’s than i’ve ever seen anywhere else.
The issue is they don’t have much testing. They do for some of the raws they sell but not the finished oils domestic.
They also seem to be one of those minimal contact, order and wait type places. I’ve never ordered but i’ve had people recommend them from when I was looking on transgender forums so I could source E2 oils (none of the ugls at the time carried it, so I had to get creative).
Honestly I might just bite the bullet and take a swing. Am currently ordering DNP so might be worth just adding on the trest since it’s such a good deal. With that much trest I might even go up to 50mg/day
Similar threads
