Trest E/D sources?

[nutcase6174]

Now that @Arail website is fixed and back in business, perhaps they might be interested in doing a special run of Trest A/E/D

Maybe even the first ever vendor to make trest base...

They seem to make niche injectables like their mtren and TNE at 4.5mg/mL without any EO/guaicol. Perhaps they might be willing to step up. It would definitely make them stand out from all the other vendors.

I'm sure they have raws vendors but we also had some leads in this thread too.

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

How much t

Yeah copy I got some ment lying around. I aromatise like crazy. I heard it jacks up blood pressure like crazy.

Might have to give it a whirl. I know Type2x isn't a big fan of it.

it aromatizes only a little, but to a potent estrogen that is immune to SHBG binding. So a little too much of it can cause a lot of issues.

Type-IIx had a very legitimate beef with trestolone info that was posted on Reddit, i think by “decatest” if I remember, and has probably the best deep dive into the compound here on Meso. If I remember he didn’t think it was a bad compound but it needs to be properly understood to be used successfully.

I’ve done my research on it and am a fan, but I only use low doses ~ 5-10mg/day. And that does require Aromasin; anastrozole is not very effective with it, at least when testosterone is present.

 

[Photon]

Now that @Arail website is fixed and back in business, perhaps they might be interested in doing a special run of Trest A/E/D

Maybe even the first ever vendor to make trest base...

They seem to make niche injectables like their mtren and TNE at 4.5mg/mL without any EO/guaicol. Perhaps they might be willing to step up. It would definitely make them stand out from all the other vendors.

I'm sure they have raws vendors but we also had some leads in this thread too.

I don't think Trest base raws exists..but who knows.

 

[nutcase6174]

I don't think Trest base raws exists..but who knows.

actually it does apparently. Also trest phenylpropionate (i guess we can call it trpp).

Trpp would be interesting. It should last longer than ace but still not gonna be as long as enanthate so for people trying it out or who want a rapid kick it would be a good middle ground.


Trest base... I can only dream. One day I'll have the dough to start ordering raws and setup a homebrew setup. Until then, I guess it will just be a fantasy.

Here's the site that @ChemBB found with the raws: Trestolone Steroids

We also inquired on prices for E/D and posted them here (its back a few pages on this thread). Its definitely not cheap, but it is a designer product.

 

[micro2000]

Trestolone base was not uncommon when it first came out but it can't be dissolved at levels above say 25mg/ml and that might be higher than I recall. I remember it being a pain to dissolve, like clostebol acetate. It was often made into transdermal formulations.

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

Now that @Arail website is fixed and back in business, perhaps they might be interested in doing a special run of Trest A/E/D

Maybe even the first ever vendor to make trest base...

They seem to make niche injectables like their mtren and TNE at 4.5mg/mL without any EO/guaicol. Perhaps they might be willing to step up. It would definitely make them stand out from all the other vendors.

I'm sure they have raws vendors but we also had some leads in this thread too.

That would be great for sure.

I have some mibolerone which is basically c17-methyltrestolone (base). It’s the only thing I’ve taken that made me very aggressive.

Man yeah the prices are crazy nowadays.

Basically the same price as getting ATechLabs from steroidify ($240 for 100mg/mL).

Well thank you for the information. I guess I might avoid MENT until the domestic side gets better. Sucks.

I try to avoid any testosterone in my cycles to completely avoid AGA so I either use Dbol or MENT alongside E2 Enanthate.

I have some EQ, so perhaps I might run that. Currently I'm on 1g of tren solo with estrogen. Without test you get basically no side effects other than insomnia, but you do miss out on the fullness (unless you add trest, dbol to a smaller extent). On the plus side, I am literally regrowing my temples hair even on this much tren since I use zero test and take dutasteride to cover the little bit of test that my HCG gives me.

My thing is that I doubt EQ will be able to give the same fullness as trest, but on the other hand I think it will be more of an all-day fullness given its not in and out of your system like trest ace.

That’s very interesting re: high dose tren + E2.

Any sexual issues from lack of DHT? Between no test (except from HCG) and Dut you’re DHT is probably close to zero.

Back when I was on trest only @ 25mg/day, I didn’t feel quite right which I attributed to lack of DHT metabolites in the brain. Had sexual issues too (inorgasmia basically) but was not using caber at the time which likely would have fixed that. Trest and tren both are fairly strong PR agonists as you likely know; the symptoms are from high prolactin but in my case (and almost all others I’ve seen) there was no prolactinemia, so it was a PRL upregulation/sensitization issue... Similar to what nandrolone does with aromatase and/or ER.

 

[nutcase6174]

That would be great for sure.

I have some mibolerone which is basically c17-methyltrestolone (base). It’s the only thing I’ve taken that made me very aggressive.

That’s very interesting re: high dose tren + E2.

Any sexual issues from lack of DHT? Between no test (except from HCG) and Dut you’re DHT is probably close to zero.

Back when I was on trest only @ 25mg/day, I didn’t feel quite right which I attributed to lack of DHT metabolites in the brain. Had sexual issues too (inorgasmia basically) but was not using caber at the time which likely would have fixed that. Trest and tren both are fairly strong PR agonists as you likely know; the symptoms are from high prolactin but in my case (and almost all others I’ve seen) there was no prolactinemia, so it was a PRL upregulation/sensitization issue... Similar to what nandrolone does with aromatase and/or ER.

Nope! My libido is pretty wonky by default, so its on and off. Actually one way I can tell when my estrogen gets low because my libido crashes funny enough.

Without the DHT/Test I think it strongly limits tren's mood effects. I am not an angry person by any means at baseline, and tren doesn't really change that, at least without test. I also don't get any gyno or acne or what not. I really only get the side effect of waking up during nighttime from vivid dreams, but also they're just normal dreams, not like the stories you hear of fucked up ones. I'm also able to go back to sleep easily.

The thing is the high dose tren with just the E2 does not nearly give you that 'tren look'. Its very much a more flat look than what you get from test+tren. I would even argue that trest+tren still doesn't give you that same look, just makes it look better than just tren. I just added in 6IU HGH (was not on any before) nightly about 8 days ago to help with insomnia I was getting, which ended up completely resolving the issue. But as a side effect, I think I do look a lot squishier. Hopefully that will resolve within a few weeks otherwise ill drop down to 4IU and see if it helps.


People often look past how selective tren is. It is very strong, but it also has evidence that the selectivity limit how much it affects non-skeletal-muscle tissue relative to testosterone. Some studies even indicate it stimulates prostate size less than testosterone:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S8756328212009659

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

Nope! My libido is pretty wonky by default, so it’s on and off. Actually one way I can tell when my estrogen gets low because my libido crashes funny enough.

Without the DHT/Test I think it strongly limits tren's mood effects. I am not an angry person by any means at baseline, and tren doesn't really change that, at least without test. I also don't get any gyno or acne or what not. I really only get the side effect of waking up during nighttime from vivid dreams, but also they're just normal dreams, not like the stories you hear of fucked up ones. I'm also able to go back to sleep easily.

The thing is the high dose tren with just the E2 does not nearly give you that 'tren look'. Its very much a more flat look than what you get from test+tren. I would even argue that trest+tren still doesn't give you that same look, just makes it look better than just tren. I just added in 6IU HGH (was not on any before) nightly about 8 days ago to help with insomnia I was getting, which ended up completely resolving the issue. But as a side effect, I think I do look a lot squishier. Hopefully that will resolve within a few weeks otherwise ill drop down to 4IU and see if it helps.


People often look past how selective tren is. It is very strong, but it also has evidence that the selectivity limit how much it affects non-skeletal-muscle tissue relative to testosterone. Some studies even indicate it stimulates prostate size less than testosterone:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S8756328212009659

Absolutely

My libido is same. It was better with a little test so probably need some DHT, but rely mostly on trestolone.

Sharing an interesting tren article if you haven’t seen it - mirrors much of what you say.

I like how I feel on tren and have thought about it w/ low dose trest only, for estrogen. Only problem I have with it is insomnia, but 6.25-12.5mg of quetiapine completely fixes that. GH does not. If you keep holding onto water with GH, another option is IgF1-LR3… it will make you very tired on an empty stomach. And despite the long half life compared to IgF-1 it doesn’t binds to IgF1-BP3 so is eliminated quickly; dosing for bodybuilding means 2-3x per day admin, similar to Increlex which often ends up being cheaper.

Many people don’t realize the 500:500 tren anabolic:androgenic ratio is referenced to nandrolone, not testosterone… so interpolating to testosterone it’s actually more like 675:135 from old animal data, or 500:50 from more recent data. Of course those ratios are wonky as the assays are inherently flawed. Ventral prostate for androgenicity sure, but levator ani is about the last muscle I’d have chosen to assess anabolism, sure it has AR but it’s not a muscle that undergoes stress-induced hypertrophy, unless you’re doing high intensity Kegel training maybe. It’s basically the pelvic floor muscles.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/41412590_Tissue_selectivity_and_potential_clinical_applications_of_trenbolone_17b-hydroxyestra-4911-trien-3-one_A_potent_anabolic_steroid_with_reduced_androgenic_and_estrogenic_activity

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

Pharmaqo might have 50mg/ml trest A for $67 - think there is a promo if you order international it will ship US domestic. Not a bad price, about what Amino Asylum used to charge (their 20% discounts didn't apply to trestolone or IGF1-LR3). The two Jano tests posted were spot on, so probably better than AA was.

I'm going to message MrPQR to see if there is any stateside.

 

[professionaldyel]

Primal literally has Trest Ace and is US dom. Man this thread is totally derailed.

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

Primal literally has Trest Ace and is US dom. Man this thread is totally derailed.

Guess I missed that. Indeed he does.

Couldn’t find testing on it but other stuff seemed to test well.

 

[watchtymeflyyy]

Guess I missed that. Indeed he does.

Couldn’t find testing on it but other stuff seemed to test well.

Testing is still with Jano… Should come back soon

 

[watchtymeflyyy]

Hope it comes back good… Just grabbed 8 vials

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

Just picked up some too, haven’t ordered from this source before but seems like a good opportunity to try him out!

Thanks @professionaldyel for the tip

 

[bananafeet]

Can some of the other guys let me know if this is a common experience with MENT, I pinned 25mg today:

Starting to sweat after about 45min to 1 hour
Elevated heart rate
Increase interest in sex
Sweating when you normally wouldn't especially after eating (even 10-11hrs later)

I've run low dose Tren before but this shit feels different. It's like I ate a big bowl of chillies. Whole body is hot and sweaty.

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

Can some of the other guys let me know if this is a common experience with MENT, I pinned 25mg today:

Starting to sweat after about 45min to 1 hour
Elevated heart rate
Increase interest in sex
Sweating when you normally wouldn't especially after eating (even 10-11hrs later)

I've run low dose Tren before but this shit feels different. It's like I ate a big bowl of chillies. Whole body is hot and sweaty.

lol yeah sounds about right!

25mg is a big dose, particularly if you’ve never used it before… it’s practically like pinning 250mg of TNE. Acetate in MCT oil is very fast, and there is no SHBG binding hold it up either.

Check your blood pressure it’s probably way high. If you don’t have BP meds, get some asap. Aromasin too, you’ll need it at 25mg/day particularly if you have test on board and/or use HCG

Fyi advice to MENT virgins to start at 1-2mg/day and increase 1mg/day at a time as tolerated. Don’t think anyone has ever taken that advice though, no one gets excited about pinning 1mg except for maybe inj metribolone.

 

[bananafeet]

lol yeah sounds about right!

25mg is a big dose, particularly if you’ve never used it before… it’s practically like pinning 250mg of TNE. Acetate in MCT oil is very fast, and there is SHBG binding hold it up either.

Check your blood pressure it’s probably way high. If you don’t have BP meds, get some asap. Aromasin too, you’ll need it at 25mg/day particularly if you have test on board and/or use HCG

My blood pressure was 128/70. I did a massive leg session. Like one set on leg press to failure and my heart rate didn't want to come down after that. I control my heart rate with metoprolol and I got it back down using 25mg of metoprolol tartrate (I take metoprolol succinate 47.5mg/day).

I have a stockpile of telmisartan and I'm about to order some clin.

Shit is pretty crazy. I might not be able to run it cos it's summer here and I don't wanna cook lol

Feels like a fucking vial of ghost reaper chills lol anyway I'll decide tomorrow if I bitch out or run some more

Edit: I have been on 25mg aromasin per week. I'll add another 12.5mg if I stay on trest.

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

try adding 5mg/day to your regimen and see how that goes for a week, then reassess.

25mg tren susp preworkout I barely notice. 25mg of MENT ace is a wild ride… luckily it’s in/out fast so you’ll be back to normal tomorrow!

Is this OEP’s ment btw?

 

[bananafeet]

try adding 5mg/day to your regimen and see how that goes for a week, then reassess.

25mg tren susp preworkout I barely notice. 25mg of MENT ace is a wild ride… luckily it’s in/out fast so you’ll be back to normal tomorrow!

Is this OEP’s ment btw?

Nah it was from Yura (HYB) just after QSC shutdown.

I took 2.5mg and 5mg before once and felt nothing so I was like lets see if this isn't just veggie oil.

5mg doesn't sound like much? Maybe I'll try 7.5mg.

 

[sliderke]

Can some of the other guys let me know if this is a common experience with MENT, I pinned 25mg today:

Starting to sweat after about 45min to 1 hour
Elevated heart rate
Increase interest in sex
Sweating when you normally wouldn't especially after eating (even 10-11hrs later)

I've run low dose Tren before but this shit feels different. It's like I ate a big bowl of chillies. Whole body is hot and sweaty.

Increase in sex is instant.
Elevated heart rate and sweating is due to the high amount. Start with 5mg daily and work your way up. I had to stop at 20mg a day and you’re going straight to 25.
My next run I’ll stay at 15 found that my sweet spot.

Do you also feel sleep impacted?