Anyone ever try a test blast / cycle sub-q?

[Turkeybuilder]

I plan on starting my first ever cycle of test 500mg/wk and my current “trt” is 175mg/wk. i inject 50mg (0.2ml) EOD sub-q. I was hoping to continue sub-q usage but if I want to do a 500mg/wk cycle i’d have to pin 0.6ml of oil EOD and that sounds like it would suck.

Anyone ever try it? Advice? Thoughts?

Should I continue my regular 175mg/wk sub-q TRT and then do the rest of the 325mg/wk IM for my cycle?

 

[bananafeet]

I plan on starting my first ever cycle of test 500mg/wk and my current “trt” is 175mg/wk. i inject 50mg (0.2ml) EOD sub-q. I was hoping to continue sub-q usage but if I want to do a 500mg/wk cycle i’d have to pin 0.6ml of oil EOD and that sounds like it would suck.

Anyone ever try it? Advice? Thoughts?

Should I continue my regular 175mg/wk sub-q TRT and then do the rest of the 325mg/wk IM for my cycle?

If you want to be covered in lumps I guess so. There isn't enough blood flow in fat to absorb larger amounts of oil. I've had oil stay unobsorbed for 6 weeks. Not a great idea.

 

[RockyP]

Vigorous Steve reportedly did a sub Q cycle. Idk if he did a whole video on it but YT search should include something

 

[Turkeybuilder]

If you want to be covered in lumps I guess so. There isn't enough blood flow in fat to absorb larger amounts of oil. I've had oil stay unobsorbed for 6 weeks. Not a great idea.

What if I just split it into two separate 0.3ml injections every other day, (525mg/wk) and that way it’s almost no different than what i’m doing now which one one 0.2ml injection EOD

 

[bananafeet]

What if I just split it into two separate 0.3ml injections every other day, (525mg/wk) and that way it’s almost no different than what i’m doing now which one one 0.2ml injection EOD

Up to you bro. Maybe your body is different but I've had no luck with subq. Steroids are meant to be injected into the muscle....

 

[maddie]

I ran out of stomach space when I tried subq. I was doing tren subq and it wasn't the best idea, but the oil did sit for at least a week and was getting lumpy.

 

[RockyP]

Up to you bro. Maybe your body is different but I've had no luck with subq. Steroids are meant to be injected into the muscle....

I agree. Some guys can do it. I def can’t. And pharma companies are always looking to make things easier for gen pop. gLP-1 are much more tolerable at twice weekly shots but they know the average persons compliance will dip with more than once per week. Not that an IM injection a rocket science but it’s a bit more involved than subcutaneous. If subQ was doable by most people pharma would definitely have that be the mode of delivery. Not saying it can’t be done. Just that it’s not the best way.

 

[bananafeet]

I agree. Some guys can do it. I def can’t. And pharma companies are always looking to make things easier for gen pop. gLP-1 are much more tolerable at twice weekly shots but they know the average persons compliance will dip with more than once per week. Not that an IM injection a rocket science but it’s a bit more involved than subcutaneous. If subQ was doable by most people pharma would definitely have that be the mode of delivery. Not saying it can’t be done. Just that it’s not the best way.

The actual issue is the preservatives react with the fat tissue and can't be removed quick enough. I've never had a bad IM injection (besides a primo knot), but I've had heaps of subq go bad. If you try to inject a high solvent oil I guarantee it will go terribly.

I see no advantage to subq.

 

[RockyP]

The actual issue is the preservatives react with the fat tissue and can't be removed quick enough. I've never had a bad IM injection (besides a primo knot), but I've had heaps of subq go bad. If you try to inject a high solvent oil I guarantee it will go terribly.

I see no advantage to subq.

I agree. Some guys say they do it. I don’t even try.

 

[newguy2]

Honestly if you're going to be infecting oils probably best just to man up and figure out im. Most people are nervous about it early on but you get used to it.

 

[Turkeybuilder]

The actual issue is the preservatives react with the fat tissue and can't be removed quick enough. I've never had a bad IM injection (besides a primo knot), but I've had heaps of subq go bad. If you try to inject a high solvent oil I guarantee it will go terribly.

I see no advantage to subq.

Honestly if you're going to be infecting oils probably best just to man up and figure out im. Most people are nervous about it early on but you get used to it.

There are multiple studies indicating sub-Q testosterone administration lead to higher and more stable levels of concentration of testosterone in the bloodstream AND less aromatization @readalot

 

[bananafeet]

There are multiple studies indicating sub-Q testosterone administration lead to higher and more stable levels of concentration of testosterone in the bloodstream AND less aromatization @readalot

Yes due to slower release and poor absorption rate... it's not a feature lol

 

[Turkeybuilder]

This isn’t even about not wanting to do IM injections either, I do daily 1ml of L carnitine IM, i just know my body has responded very well to my sub-q test (175mg/wk and my test hovers at 1050-1100 total test with E2 30-40) reliably every single lab test so I’m scared to switch to IM and fuck that up, i have read horror stories of peoples bodies reacting completely differently to a different form of administration

 

[bananafeet]

This isn’t even about not wanting to do IM injections either, I do daily 1ml of L carnitine IM, i just know my body has responded very well to my sub-q test (175mg/wk and my test hovers at 1050-1100 total test with E2 30-40) reliably every single lab test so I’m scared to switch to IM and fuck that up, i have read horror stories of peoples bodies reacting completely differently to a different form of administration

Bro I think you're overthinking it. Stick the oil in your muscle belly. Run some blood tests. If estrogen is high take an AI.

E2 isn't really a big deal mine frequently gets to 90 and I feel fine (lipids are perfect too). There is even a camp that thinks high E2 is linked to longer life span due to lower CVD. Plus E2 is anabolic as fuck due to the higher IGF1 conversion.

Up to you. But taking an AI like aromasin is not the end of the world on cycle. Maybe you get higher E2 on IM due to the faster absorption rate. You could then just inject more frequently.

 

[Whistles77]

This isn’t even about not wanting to do IM injections either, I do daily 1ml of L carnitine IM, i just know my body has responded very well to my sub-q test (175mg/wk and my test hovers at 1050-1100 total test with E2 30-40) reliably every single lab test so I’m scared to switch to IM and fuck that up, i have read horror stories of peoples bodies reacting completely differently to a different form of administration

Are you not more worried about how the difference between 175 and 500mg/wk will impact you rather than sub-q vs IM? You'll have to learn how you aromatise on blast.

 

[Turkeybuilder]

Are you not more worried about how the difference between 175 and 500mg/wk will impact you rather than sub-q vs IM? You'll have to learn how you aromatise on blast.

I am definitely worried about that which is even more reason for me in my head to want to stick to sub-q.. me going on blast and switching to IM is now two different variables i’ve modified whereas if I stayed on sub-q all i’ve done is increase my dose. I do have arimidex though if I need it.

I’m even considering doing ED injections for the blast, would that be a better idea?

Bro I think you're overthinking it. Stick the oil in your muscle belly. Run some blood tests. If estrogen is high take an AI.

E2 isn't really a big deal mine frequently gets to 90 and I feel fine (lipids are perfect too). There is even a camp that thinks high E2 is linked to longer life span due to lower CVD. Plus E2 is anabolic as fuck due to the higher IGF1 conversion.

Up to you. But taking an AI like aromasin is not the end of the world on cycle. Maybe you get higher E2 on IM due to the faster absorption rate. You could then just inject more frequently.

I’ve thankfully yet to experience what E2 sides feel like and not wanting to change what i’m doing is exactly the reason why I don’t want to fuck up what I already got going on. Would daily sub-q make it more reasonable? 0.3ml sub-q daily which is 75mg ed

I just want to know if a test blast is do-able sub-q. Sure it might suck and I might have lumps, but it’s not going to be an ineffective blast or any less effective than an IM blast, right? Just more uncomfortable?

 

[bananafeet]

I am definitely worried about that which is even more reason for me in my head to want to stick to sub-q.. me going on blast and switching to IM is now two different variables i’ve modified whereas if I stayed on sub-q all i’ve done is increase my dose. I do have arimidex though if I need it.

I’m even considering doing ED injections for the blast, would that be a better idea?


I’ve thankfully yet to experience what E2 sides feel like and not wanting to change what i’m doing is exactly the reason why I don’t want to fuck up what I already got going on. Would daily sub-q make it more reasonable? 0.3ml sub-q daily which is 75mg ed

I just want to know if a test blast is do-able sub-q. Sure it might suck and I might have lumps, but it’s not going to be an ineffective blast or any less effective than an IM blast, right? Just more uncomfortable?

Every time you puncture the skin you create the risk of an infection. At the end of the day your trying to get testosterone into the bloodstream. There are no new variables here...

You're just injecting more. It doesn't really matter if you inject your eyelids, it's still getting into your system.

Now for a cycle do you think injecting into fat which has almost zero blood circulation is better or into muscle? Is the testosterone getting into your system if it's causing lumps and welts... Anyway up to you bro but at the end of the day it doesn't matter if you inject daily or weekly. They are long esters and take a while to get broken down. I'm only injecting daily now because I don't like injecting more than 1cc per injection unless I'm doing glutes.

Otherwise I'd just inject once or twice a week....

 

[Whistles77]

I am definitely worried about that which is even more reason for me in my head to want to stick to sub-q.. me going on blast and switching to IM is now two different variables i’ve modified whereas if I stayed on sub-q all i’ve done is increase my dose. I do have arimidex though if I need it.

I’m even considering doing ED injections for the blast, would that be a better idea?


I’ve thankfully yet to experience what E2 sides feel like and not wanting to change what i’m doing is exactly the reason why I don’t want to fuck up what I already got going on. Would daily sub-q make it more reasonable? 0.3ml sub-q daily which is 75mg ed

I just want to know if a test blast is do-able sub-q. Sure it might suck and I might have lumps, but it’s not going to be an ineffective blast or any less effective than an IM blast, right? Just more uncomfortable?

I don't mean to sound like a dick, but if you don't want to fuck up your regimen and current stability, then why blast? If things are dialled in, enjoy it.

For most people, running their first cycle is not about maintaining stability but learning how they respond, how e2 creeping up might feel, and then how to use AI to manage it. I don't think the sub-q/IM or daily pinning will save you from the learnings. My advice would be learn doing a protocol that you can sustain in future cycles so the learnings still apply and are a known baseline as changes are made or compounds added.

 

[Juicedhead]

I heard of a guy who shot his gear subq and ended up with a bunch of hard golf size balls under his skin all around his waistline that he cant burn off he had to have them reomved. its a bad idea to subq oils.

 

[Bandern]

You need a needle to pierce your muscle or else you will make 0 gains and she will take the house and the kids