Retatrutide or Tirzepatide for recomp?

[thegentleman]

I recently started lifting again after taking about a year off due to an injury. I’m currently around 20–25% body fat and plan to do a cut while focusing on body recomp. Im 5'7 at 155 lbs atm.

Between retatrutide and tirzepatide, which would be more appropriate for my situation? What would be a safe starting dosage, and how should I increase it over time? For context, I also have high blood pressure and elevated hematocrit levels as of recently.

 

[Thorshammer]

Seriously? That’s because these studies are for the average fat fuck or morbidly obese. They did not have any one remotely close to 10% BF or lower. My experience follows the advice I gave. If I utilized your starting dose I wouldn’t be able to get in my total caloric target macros. So definitely not bro-peptide science, just my personal experience…

Cage

I tend to agree with you in my experience so far with GLP1s. For the normal obese user that has zero self control under 2.5 is useless but for us guys that stay lean year round with will power and some cardio that low dosage is just enough that I don't feel hungry in a slight deficit or fight those 2 am trips to the peanut butter jar and my insulin sensitivity is great with fasted BG in the 70s even on 6 to iiu of GH. But definitely for the traditional GLP1 user 1mg isnt doing shit.

 

[BigDadd7]

Seriously? That’s because these studies are for the average fat fuck or morbidly obese. They did not have any one remotely close to 10% BF or lower. My experience follows the advice I gave. If I utilized your starting dose I wouldn’t be able to get in my total caloric target macros. So definitely not bro-peptide science, just my personal experience…

Cage

N=1

 

[Ghoul]

Seriously? That’s because these studies are for the average fat fuck or morbidly obese. They did not have any one remotely close to 10% BF or lower. My experience follows the advice I gave.

I tend to agree with you in my experience so far with GLP1s. For the normal obese user that has zero self control under 2.5 is useless but for us guys that stay lean year round with will power and some cardio that low dosage is just enough that I don't feel hungry in a slight deficit or fight those 2 am trips to the peanut butter jar and my insulin sensitivity is great with fasted BG in the 70s even on 6 to iiu of GH. But definitely for the traditional GLP1 user 1mg isnt doing shit.

If I utilized your starting dose I wouldn’t be able to get in my total caloric target macros. So definitely not bro-peptide science, just my personal experience…

Cage

Dose response to GLPs has absolutely nothing to do with existing weight or body fat.

It’s entirely driven by the genetics that determine GLP/GIP receptor density, and genetic testing predicts response with near 100% accuracy.

They’re hormones, not diet pills.

You guys love jerking each other off by presenting your weak, easily satiated appetites as “willpower”, and not primarily biology.

 

[Cage99]

Dose response to GLPs has absolutely nothing to do with existing weight or body fat.

It’s entirely driven by the genetics that determine GLP/GIP receptor density, and genetic testing predicts response with near 100% accuracy.

They’re hormones, not diet pills.

You guys love jerking each other off by presenting your weak, easily satiated appetites as “willpower”, and not primarily biology.

Sooo, you can point me to the site or studies that used athletes or people who actively maintain 6-10% BF levels right? I’ve never seen em… They’d skew the dosing and results of these studies in a negative manner. These companies want fat people so they can raise the doses thus raise their profit margins in return.

I guess I found the non-existent 6 packs users… Anyone I know personally who competes or simply lives the life, does not do normal to high doses recommended by the manufacturer. It’s simply NOT NEEDED!!!!!!!!!! In fact you’ll ruin your physique you’ve worked years building cause you’re unable to eat maintenance let alone a surplus and start going catabolic.

One day when you finally see veins streaking across your abdominal wall you’ll see. Course you’ll need to learn how to properly diet and make it a lifestyle. Micro dosing these GLP’s is all that’s needed. Plain and simple. I guess you can continue on spouting studies when they dont correlate to anyone I know living the bodybuilding lifestyle.

And definitely stay the fuck away from Semaglutide and Cagrillintide. If you need those then you really need to learn how to diet and exercise properly. They’re only good for crushing your appetite completely. They serve a great alternative to the morbidly obese folks who don’t like walking 50ft and stuff their face with processed foods though.

Cage

 

[sionnach]

Sooo, you can point me to the site or studies

This one is a really great read in particular. Good data.

 

[vapor77]

Sooo, you can point me to the site or studies that used athletes or people who actively maintain 6-10% BF levels right? I’ve never seen em… They’d skew the dosing and results of these studies in a negative manner. These companies want fat people so they can raise the doses thus raise their profit margins in return.

I guess I found the non-existent 6 packs users… Anyone I know personally who competes or simply lives the life, does not do normal to high doses recommended by the manufacturer. It’s simply NOT NEEDED!!!!!!!!!! In fact you’ll ruin your physique you’ve worked years building cause you’re unable to eat maintenance let alone a surplus and start going catabolic.

One day when you finally see veins streaking across your abdominal wall you’ll see. Course you’ll need to learn how to properly diet and make it a lifestyle. Micro dosing these GLP’s is all that’s needed. Plain and simple. I guess you can continue on spouting studies when they dont correlate to anyone I know living the bodybuilding lifestyle.

And definitely stay the fuck away from Semaglutide and Cagrillintide. If you need those then you really need to learn how to diet and exercise properly. They’re only good for crushing your appetite completely. They serve a great alternative to the morbidly obese folks who don’t like walking 50ft and stuff their face with processed foods though.

Cage

When I get below 10%, my appetite becomes more ravenous.

Even on moderate doses of Reta or Tirz, I can eat right through it so I'm not sure what you mean by not being able to eat at maintenance.

If anything, the leaner I am the more I need to crank the dose up to have the appetite suppressing effects.

 

[BigDadd7]

Sooo, you can point me to the site or studies that used athletes or people who actively maintain 6-10% BF levels right? I’ve never seen em… They’d skew the dosing and results of these studies in a negative manner. These companies want fat people so they can raise the doses thus raise their profit margins in return.

I guess I found the non-existent 6 packs users… Anyone I know personally who competes or simply lives the life, does not do normal to high doses recommended by the manufacturer. It’s simply NOT NEEDED!!!!!!!!!! In fact you’ll ruin your physique you’ve worked years building cause you’re unable to eat maintenance let alone a surplus and start going catabolic.

One day when you finally see veins streaking across your abdominal wall you’ll see. Course you’ll need to learn how to properly diet and make it a lifestyle. Micro dosing these GLP’s is all that’s needed. Plain and simple. I guess you can continue on spouting studies when they dont correlate to anyone I know living the bodybuilding lifestyle.

And definitely stay the fuck away from Semaglutide and Cagrillintide. If you need those then you really need to learn how to diet and exercise properly. They’re only good for crushing your appetite completely. They serve a great alternative to the morbidly obese folks who don’t like walking 50ft and stuff their face with processed foods though.

Cage

Can you point us to the studies where they used young studs like yourself and just randomly guessed at dosage and frequency?

 

[BigDadd7]

This one is a really great read in particular. Good data.

That one has a lot of useful info!

 

[deadbeef]

It’s entirely driven by the genetics that determine GLP/GIP receptor density, and genetic testing predicts response with near 100% accuracy.

What genetic testing would that be?

 

[explodingHeart]

you’ll ruin your physique you’ve worked years building cause you’re unable to eat

Once took too much GLP, missed a meal and all my muscles starting falling off. It was crazy.

 

[Earthworm Jim]

Valid criticism, Ive lifted for 3 years before stopping and feel like Ive lost 90% of what I had. Due to poor dietary decisions while recovering I feel pretty fat and bloated. Ive tried cutting in the last month but the food noise is pretty bad, especially at night. Its to the point where I need to load up all my calories before I go to bed to get a good nights rest. I understand taking any compounds isnt 100% safe, but from what I understand glp1s usually have low side effects besides gut issues and heart palpitations in some rare cases.

I recommend doing a spiritual fast consecrated to breaking the bonds of gluttony. When you come off it and refeed be gentle. Don't binge. Then count your calories for 4 weeks while dieting the old fashioned way. This will lay the ground work for actually embracing the suppression of food noise for what it's worth, and it will boost your confidence knowing that you were already dieting the right way, and having proven that to yourself, you earned the privilege of using reta to enhance what you're already doing.

It's easy to start taking the appetite suppression for granted and eat thru it just because food is available if you aren't mentally prepared. So lay the ground work with a real man diet. Count your calories. Plow up your mind and prepare it by telling yourself any initial discomfort is a good sign that your body is transitioning from craving carbs for fuel to craving fat. The reason you are crashing your diet at night, I strongly suspect, is because you haven't made a firm decision to cut out starchy, sweet, and breast carbs.

 

[Earthworm Jim]

gotcha, that would be counterproductive then. Ill stick to tirz. Any other compounds good for sleep? Im currently using cannabis and it helps me fall asleep faster but the sleep quality is worse. Ive heard gh secretagogues help but they work through the ghrelin receptor which I feel like would be counterproductive as well. Also issues with insulin resistance but thats anything that affects gh.

I personally and very uncomfortable on tirz and am not bothered by reta at all. Diff people are affected differently

 

[Earthworm Jim]

I'm sitting here with a stomach ache for two hours from a few spoonfuls of black beans and two servings of protein shake.... And tirz. The only discomfort I ever got on reta was after eating frosting

 

[Cage99]

Can you point us to the studies where they used young studs like yourself and just randomly guessed at dosage and frequency?

There is none cause it’s literally marketed for fat fucks nowadays. As I said big pharma wants money/profits. They’re not gonna use physically fit people because they’d skew their dosing recommendations. I understand you’re fluffy and got defensive it doesn’t affect me at all. To each their own. I’m not against that at all because obese people need to get their shit together anyways. This tool is just a crutch though if they don’t change their eating habits.

I know about 50 people personally that are using the weight loss clinics around me for these drugs. None of them were remotely healthy, 30%BF and higher. They all dropped massive amounts of weight, but as soon as they ceased using the drug they ballooned right back up. I’m always asked by these people what they’re doing wrong and how can they get in shape. I stopped answering long ago because it’s simply a waste of time. Losing weight is so fuckin simple but it requires you to actually track what you eat and how much you burn.

Cage

 

[Cage99]

Once took too much GLP, missed a meal and all my muscles starting falling off. It was crazy.

Found another fat ass I guess……

Cage

 

[BigDadd7]

There is none cause it’s literally marketed for fat fucks nowadays. As I said big pharma wants money/profits. They’re not gonna use physically fit people because they’d skew their dosing recommendations. I understand you’re fluffy and got defensive it doesn’t affect me at all. To each their own. I’m not against that at all because obese people need to get their shit together anyways. This tool is just a crutch though if they don’t change their eating habits.

I know about 50 people personally that are using the weight loss clinics around me for these drugs. None of them were remotely healthy, 30%BF and higher. They all dropped massive amounts of weight, but as soon as they ceased using the drug they ballooned right back up. I’m always asked by these people what they’re doing wrong and how can they get in shape. I stopped answering long ago because it’s simply a waste of time. Losing weight is so fuckin simple but it requires you to actually track what you eat and how much you burn.

Cage

If it's only for fat people with no will power, why are you taking it?

 

[Bandern]

There is none cause it’s literally marketed for fat fucks nowadays. As I said big pharma wants money/profits. They’re not gonna use physically fit people because they’d skew their dosing recommendations. I understand you’re fluffy and got defensive it doesn’t affect me at all. To each their own. I’m not against that at all because obese people need to get their shit together anyways. This tool is just a crutch though if they don’t change their eating habits.

I know about 50 people personally that are using the weight loss clinics around me for these drugs. None of them were remotely healthy, 30%BF and higher. They all dropped massive amounts of weight, but as soon as they ceased using the drug they ballooned right back up. I’m always asked by these people what they’re doing wrong and how can they get in shape. I stopped answering long ago because it’s simply a waste of time. Losing weight is so fuckin simple but it requires you to actually track what you eat and how much you burn.

Cage

I’ve never seen someone who seems like a happy, well adjusted adult make this type of argument

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[adrenalytic]

I’ve never seen someone who seems like a happy, well adjusted adult make this type of argument

Bandern

Dude obviously hates fat people. Probably used to be one and this is just a reflection of his self loathing.

 

[Bandern]

Dude obviously hates fat people. Probably used to be one and this is just a reflection of his self loathing.

Former fat people tend to hate fat people the most. My attitude towards them was brutal when I first unfatted. Glad I got over that.

I’m not a statistics nerd but I’m confident saying that glp’s will save millions of people from dying premature deaths from obesity related causes. It’s hard to comprehend how miserable somebody needs to be in order to spin that into a negative

 

[adrenalytic]

Former fat people tend to hate fat people the most. My attitude towards them was brutal when I first unfatted. Glad I got over that.

I’m not a statistics nerd but I’m confident saying that glp’s will save millions of people from dying premature deaths from obesity related causes. It’s hard to comprehend how miserable somebody needs to be in order to spin that into a negative

Agreed. I felt and sometimes feel the same since I got fit - like "if I can do it why can't that fatty do it?". But I firmly believe you can get your point across without twisting the dagger like a douche.