PRC designates 13 chemical precursors used to make fentanyl and agrees to control 7 chemical subsidiaries

[nobu156]

This isn't direct 'steroid news' but I would imagine that this could impact the future of the market because I don't think it is a stretch to assume that the same chemical subsidiaries would also be the ones producing raws.

Kash Patel WH Press conference:

View: https://x.com/ericldaugh/status/1988676593750077566?s=46


I might be (I hope I am) totally wrong in my assumptions, though. Maybe smarter guys can chime in and talk me off the ledge

 

[eery]

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[IndividualMan]

They are not the only ones who can make raws. However, those massive Chemical companies were the only ones with the facilities and equipment to make these massive batches causing prices to be so low. Other people will step in, Production is not massively difficult, the difficult thing is consistently producing MASSIVE batches and keeping logistics in place.

 

[Ghoul]

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Basically :


商务部等5部门关于调整《向特定国家（地区）出口易制毒化学品管理目录》《特定国家（地区）目录》的公告
【发布单位】安全与管制局
【发布文号】商务部公告2025年第73号
【发文日期】2025年11月10日

为进一步做好易制毒化学品出口管理工作，根据《向特定国家（地区）出口易制毒化学品暂行管理规定》，商务部、公安部、应急管理部、海关总署和国家药监局决定对《向特定国家（地区）出口易制毒化学品管理目录》《特定国家（地区）目录》进行调整，将美国、墨西哥、加拿大增列入《特定国家（地区）目录》，并单独增列针对上述3个国家的13种易制毒化学品。
现将调整后的《向特定国家（地区）出口易制毒化学品管理目录》和《特定国家（地区）目录》予以公布。自本公告发布之日起，向美国、墨西哥、加拿大出口附件1第一部分所列化学品的，应按照《向特定国家（地区）出口易制毒化学品暂行管理规定》申请许可，向其他国家（地区）出口无需申请许可。
附件：1.向特定国家（地区）出口易制毒化学品管理目录.pdf
2.特定国家（地区）目录.pdf
商务部
公安部
应急管理部
海关总署
国家药监局
2025年11月10日

 

[nullandvoid]

Daugherty should ease up on Patel's nuts... sheesh.

WOW.

 

[BigDadd7]

Basically :


商务部等5部门关于调整《向特定国家（地区）出口易制毒化学品管理目录》《特定国家（地区）目录》的公告
【发布单位】安全与管制局
【发布文号】商务部公告2025年第73号
【发文日期】2025年11月10日

为进一步做好易制毒化学品出口管理工作，根据《向特定国家（地区）出口易制毒化学品暂行管理规定》，商务部、公安部、应急管理部、海关总署和国家药监局决定对《向特定国家（地区）出口易制毒化学品管理目录》《特定国家（地区）目录》进行调整，将美国、墨西哥、加拿大增列入《特定国家（地区）目录》，并单独增列针对上述3个国家的13种易制毒化学品。
现将调整后的《向特定国家（地区）出口易制毒化学品管理目录》和《特定国家（地区）目录》予以公布。自本公告发布之日起，向美国、墨西哥、加拿大出口附件1第一部分所列化学品的，应按照《向特定国家（地区）出口易制毒化学品暂行管理规定》申请许可，向其他国家（地区）出口无需申请许可。
附件：1.向特定国家（地区）出口易制毒化学品管理目录.pdf
2.特定国家（地区）目录.pdf
商务部
公安部
应急管理部
海关总署
国家药监局
2025年11月10日

That clears it up

 

[nobu156]

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The title of the post is the gist of it. But here is the text from the x post:

> BREAKING: In an enormous victory, FBI Director Kash Patel announces the pipeline to create fentanyl has been SHUT DOWN IN MEXICO and worldwide, saving tens of thousands of Americans

"Effective immediately, President Trump has shut off the pipeline that creates fentanyl that kills tens of thousands of Americans! These substances are now BANNED and they will no longer be utilized by the Mexican drug trafficking organizations or any other DTOs around the world to make this drug!"

"The Chinese government agreed on a plan to stop fentanyl precursors. What does that mean? The People's Republic of China has fully designated and listed ALL 13 precursors utilized to make fentanyl."

"They have agreed to control 7 chemical subsidiaries that are also utilized to produce this lethal drug."

"This historic achievement has saved tens of thousands of lives. This historic achievement would not have been possible without the tremendous team of President Trump, the Attorney General, the Department of Justice, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Ambassador Perdue in China."

Just WOW. This is massive! It can't be talked about enough.

 

[IndividualMan]

Daugherty should ease up on Patel's nuts... sheesh.

WOW.

bro is mercilessly throating the little fat indian man with questionable career success (excluding his current gig)

 

[nobu156]

That clears it up

### English Translation:

**Announcement by the Ministry of Commerce and Four Other Departments on Adjusting the *Catalog of Easy-to-Manufacture Toxic Chemicals Exported to Specific Countries (Regions)* and the *Catalog of Specific Countries (Regions)***

**[Issuing Authority]** Bureau of Security and Control
**[Document Number]** Ministry of Commerce Announcement No. 73 of 2025
**[Date of Issuance]** November 10, 2025

To further strengthen the management of exports of easy-to-manufacture toxic chemicals, in accordance with the *Interim Provisions on the Administration of Exports of Easy-to-Manufacture Toxic Chemicals to Specific Countries (Regions)*, the Ministry of Commerce, the Ministry of Public Security, the Ministry of Emergency Management, the General Administration of Customs, and the National Medical Products Administration have decided to adjust the *Catalog of Easy-to-Manufacture Toxic Chemicals Exported to Specific Countries (Regions)* and the *Catalog of Specific Countries (Regions)* by adding the United States, Mexico, and Canada to the *Catalog of Specific Countries (Regions)*, and separately listing 13 easy-to-manufacture toxic chemicals specifically targeted at the aforementioned three countries.

The adjusted *Catalog of Easy-to-Manufacture Toxic Chemicals Exported to Specific Countries (Regions)* and *Catalog of Specific Countries (Regions)* are hereby published. Starting from the date of issuance of this announcement, exports of the chemicals listed in Part I of Attachment 1 to the United States, Mexico, and Canada shall require a permit application in accordance with the *Interim Provisions on the Administration of Exports of Easy-to-Manufacture Toxic Chemicals to Specific Countries (Regions)*. Exports to other countries (regions) do not require a permit application.

**Attachments:**
1. Catalog of Easy-to-Manufacture Toxic Chemicals Exported to Specific Countries (Regions).pdf
2. Catalog of Specific Countries (Regions).pdf

Ministry of Commerce
Ministry of Public Security
Ministry of Emergency Management
General Administration of Customs
National Medical Products Administration

November 10, 2025

 

[Ghoul]

None of the chemicals listed are remotely related to AAS.

They’re not even “banned”, there’s no mention of shutting anyone down. In fact in China’s official government announcement, they remind chemical manufacturers they can still make and sell them to countries other than the US, Canada, or Mexico.

Stop trying to connect fentanyl precursors to AAS.

Here’s the relevant part,

TLDR:

TO ALL CHEMICAL SELLERS AND SHIPPING COMPANIES: MAKE SURE YOU COMPLY WITH THE DRUG LAWS OF THE COUNTRIES YOU’RE EXPORTING TO, *ESPECIALLY THE UNITED STATES* (we don’t want the 20% drug penalty tariff to return)

 

[nobu156]

After reading what Ghoul added, maybe this is more about export of certain chemicals. The notion of them taking over chemical subsidiaries raised my eyebrow, though.

 

[Ghoul]

After reading what Ghoul added, maybe this is more about export of certain chemicals. The notion of them taking over chemical subsidiaries raised my eyebrow, though.

That was a mistranslation. China agreed to stop precursor SUBSIDIES. One way China “encouraged” fentanyl production was by setting up a SUBSIDY system to make exporting those precursors more profitable than they already were. As conspiratorial as it sounds. That’s exactly what they were doing. While the ruling Chinese Communist Party maintained plausible deniability (we’re just helping out our chemical industry, wink wink), this policy was understood to be a hostile act intended to flood “enemy” countries with fentanyl.

 

[nobu156]

They are not the only ones who can make raws. However, those massive Chemical companies were the only ones with the facilities and equipment to make these massive batches causing prices to be so low. Other people will step in, Production is not massively difficult, the difficult thing is consistently producing MASSIVE batches and keeping logistics in place.

Makes me wonder just how much this market is worth. What would and wouldn't make sense from a capex perspective to enter and fill the void. If the entry barriers are high for even modest scale production, which I assume they are, it would be hard to see anyone new stepping in given that the investment could be seized at any moment for a total loss. I will send Bezos a business plan drawn in crayon outlining what needs to be done.

 

[nobu156]

None of the chemicals listed are remotely related to AAS.

They’re not even “banned”, there’s no mention of shutting anyone down. In fact in China’s official government announcement, they remind chemical manufacturers they can still make and sell them to countries other than the US, Canada, or Mexico.

Stop trying to connect fentanyl precursors to AAS.

Here’s the relevant part,

TLDR:

TO ALL CHEMICAL SELLERS AND SHIPPING COMPANIES: MAKE SURE YOU COMPLY WITH THE DRUG LAWS OF THE COUNTRIES YOU’RE EXPORTING TO, *ESPECIALLY THE UNITED STATES* (we don’t want the 20% drug penalty tariff to return)

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My bad thanks for adding color.

 

[Ghoul]

Makes me wonder just how much this market is worth. What would and wouldn't make sense from a capex perspective to enter and fill the void. If the entry barriers are high for even modest scale production, which I assume they are, it would be hard to see anyone new stepping in given that the investment could be seized at any moment for a total loss. I will send Bezos a business plan drawn in crayon outlining what needs to be done.

It’s been a year. No one’s stepped up.

Before China was the source it was Pharma factories in Mexico and Eastern Europe.

AAS raws have never been made on a small scale, and there’s never been a small underground manufacturer of raws, in the US or elsewhere as far as I’ve seen.

Like you suggested, it looks like it needs to be made on a large commercial scale, and made in real factories, not some Walter White sized lab to make sense.

I expected things like Testosterone, which China is a huge producer of for the Pharma industry, to stay available since it could easily slip out of the back door of a legit manufacturer.

But another part of the Chinese government’s warning to Pharma chemical manufacturers was that they’d better not “lose” any chemicals:

 

[Zebedee]

After reading what Ghoul added, maybe this is more about export of certain chemicals. The notion of them taking over chemical subsidiaries raised my eyebrow, though.

It is.

The use of “subsidiaries” by the FBI guy in his speech also seems to be confusing some (& quite understandably so): he’s not referring to manufacturers, but other chemicals involved in the production process of fent. I wonder if he’s confusing the word with “intermediaries”?

Just thinking aloud, but I wonder if this legal move by the PRC will speed up a return to normal for AAS raws? They aren’t going to want chemical manufacturing factories sitting idle & not contributing to their economy.

Edit: just seen Ghoul’s comments about Chinese government subsidies

 

[IndividualMan]

It’s been a year. No one’s stepped up.

Before China was the source it was Pharma factories in Mexico and Eastern Europe.

AAS raws have never been made on a small scale, and there’s never been a small underground manufacturer of raws, in the US or elsewhere as far as I’ve seen.

Like you suggested, it looks like it needs to be made on a large commercial scale, and made in real factories, not some Walter White sized lab to make sense.

I expected things like Testosterone, which China is a huge producer of for the Pharma industry, to stay available since it could easily slip out of the back door of a legit manufacturer.

But another part of the Chinese government’s warning to Pharma chemical manufacturers was that they’d better not “lose” any chemicals:

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Tbf most raws are somewhat easy to make for most trained chemists, and not undoable for amateur chemists. a used setup worth around 2K and you can start making 19-nors starting from Estrone/ Estradiol forms which are easy to purchase privately. DHTs are tougher, and test itself just takes a while (minimum 4 full steps from the precursors and chemistry papers i have found)
Accurate temps, adequately cleaned equipment, and proper mixing for larger batches would be my main concern.

All of this is only for small batches, below 100g final product.

I have seen some cook barrels for test (5kg), which turned out to yield shit quality due to improper mixing and uneven heating. Nasty wasteful stuff.

Purification can be done tho, as we have seen in my third favorite thread on here. Works great as our friend from norse mythology showed us.


Lastly,
Esterfication could be done by a retarded monkey, so thats not your problem.
Just get the base, add acetic, oenanthic or decanoic anhydride, an acid that shall not be named, another ingredient i have written down somewhere, mix, heat , et voila.

 

[nobu156]

Esterfication could be done by a retarded monkey

Honestly, this surprises me. I did not think I was qualified to do chemistry.

 

[nobu156]

Tbf most raws are somewhat easy to make for most trained chemists, and not undoable for amateur chemists. a used setup worth around 2K and you can start making 19-nors starting from Estrone/ Estradiol forms which are easy to purchase privately. DHTs are tougher, and test itself just takes a while (minimum 4 full steps from the precursors and chemistry papers i have found)
Accurate temps, adequately cleaned equipment, and proper mixing for larger batches would be my main concern.

All of this is only for small batches, below 100g final product.

I have seen some cook barrels for test (5kg), which turned out to yield shit quality due to improper mixing and uneven heating. Nasty wasteful stuff.

Purification can be done tho, as we have seen in my third favorite thread on here. Works great as our friend from norse mythology showed us.


Lastly,
Esterfication could be done by a retarded monkey, so thats not your problem.
Just get the base, add acetic, oenanthic or decanoic anhydride, an acid that shall not be named, another ingredient i have written down somewhere, mix, heat , et voila.

But these yields would not be economical? I imagine you could bootstrap your way to small yields but the pricing would be wild given that it would leave very little room for seizures, etc. People tend to figure shit out if there is enough money to be made, but I am just not sure that there is in this case. I have no idea to be honest, just a retarded monkey who is interested.

Thanks for sharing this info

 

[pipo]

The truth is in the middle. I don't believe 100% what Trump says and I don't believe 100% what China media says.
They always put the lights right to look good for people to be deceived by their speech, statistics or actions

We shall see. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.