sp5der - QUALITY US DOMESTIC

[Oldhand]

So take all the improvements as they come and roll them into "good"? Enjoy them, but they are on the house.

Appreciate your honest assessment. That would result in no driving force for improvement and no point for those who want to improve stuff.

Sterile and "properly dosed". Check.

Raw purity? No matter. Hardware? Forget it. Right materials for the job, filters, leaching, etc? Nah..

Got it. Good or garbage. Simple.

You aren’t going to put a fancy stopper on a 250mg bottle of test, call it premium and sell it for $50. A 250mg vial of test with a normal stopper for $35 will sell.

People will stay loyal if the gear is clean and accurate. Lose either of those and all the other details no longer matter.

You’ve isolated one sentence out of a chain of replies meant to help the source stay profitable. Luckily the source understands the market and is sticking with $35.

 

[Infernalmango]

In my opinion, and investment mindset. If it were me, A healthy, non gouging vendor is usually targeting 150–300% ROI over full cycle of capital. That's solid practice.

That sounds big until you factor in the why's...

A healthy business practice outside this environment can survive on 15-30%.

Why's....
No legal protection
Capital seizure
Inventory loss
No financing backing typically unless...
No scaling safety
No insurance
High failure rate
Long cash conversion cycles kids in this conversions BTC

This might seen huge but factor in these circumstances for clarity.

Covers losses and reship issues, scam reship
Allows testing, good materials
Pays for time (priceless)
Leaves buffer for bad times, increasing
Encourages consistency without desperation

Maybe I'm wrong, what say you ridiculous?

I would say I agree with between 100-300.

 

[BALLISTIC]

I would say I agree with between 100-300.

Yeah that is solid and individual factors outside our vision will apply.

 

[sp5der]

I would say I agree with between 100-300.

100-300% of all cost ? So if I spend 10k I should make between 20k and 40k back? For example?

 

[Infernalmango]

Yeah that is solid and individual factors outside our vision will apply.

Of course. Definitely more than just the cost of materials involved.

 

[BALLISTIC]

100-300% of all cost ? So if I spend 10k I should make between 20k and 40k back? For example?

Yes you clean your capital. Then profit.

Edit: obviously with variables, simply put your equipment fails, new purchase, new capital.

 

[Infernalmango]

100-300% of all cost ? So if I spend 10k I should make between 20k and 40k back? For example?

Correct. I’m not going to ask you to disclose your actual numbers. That’s your business. From my perspective, if I were running an operation of these sorts, that’s what it would take to make it worth it for me.

 

[sp5der]

Yes you clean your capital. Then profit.

Edit: obviously with variables, simply put your equipment fails, new purchase, new capital.

Correct. I’m not going to ask you to disclose your actual numbers. That’s your business. From my perspective, if I were running an operation of these sorts, that’s what it would take to make it worth it for me.

Well after what it takes to make the money spendable , all these sources still make about 5-600%

 

[BALLISTIC]

Well after what it takes to make the money spendable , all these sources still make about 5-600%

Well then I'm way off and I digress. My knowledge comes from investing in things less lucrative if you will.

 

[Infernalmango]

Well after what it takes to make the money spendable , all these sources still make about 5-600%

Yea iv done the math lol. Some of the shit is rediculous to be blunt. That’s why I brought my business to you. I like a guy who brings quality with a humble beginning in terms of profit chasing. Eventually, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a raise to be closer to the norm. But as a new vendor, you came in exactly how I would.

I will say, iv given little thought in what it would take to turn the crypto into usable $. So that’s one aspect Iv got zero idea on its cost.

Edit: the cost of turning your crypto into usable $ would be included in expenses before net profit as well. So to be clear after all said and done I’d expect a 1 man operation to be net profiting 100-300%

 

[yepyep12]

I've been keeping an eye on the thread and he's definitely come out strong and has delivered everything he's promised. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only thing I haven't seen is blood work credit. Considering many people have already received your gear and many will order in the future, will you consider having rolling this out? I know you're upgrading your hardware and also there are an unknown number of 3rd party test costs, but I'm curious about this aspect since you do plan on stocking other compounds.

 

[sp5der]

I've been keeping an eye on the thread and he's definitely come out strong and has delivered everything he's promised. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only thing I haven't seen is blood work credit. Considering many people have already received your gear and many will order in the future, will you consider having rolling this out? I know you're upgrading your hardware and also there are an unknown number of 3rd party test costs, but I'm curious about this aspect since you do plan on stocking other compounds.

I’ve got the question before but idk how to do it? What’s a good amount of credit ?

It’s just hard to verify because what my response is on a gram of week could be what someone else’s response is on 300mg a week. Doesn’t mean the gear is bad it means we all respond different which we do

I think Jano better

 

[crispybacon!]

Relax. I was speaking mostly hypothetically, as I believe he was in referencing his 'experiment', but we see a similar strategy used by vendors who sell hgh.

Broadly though, you're incorrect. If a brand can capture price sensitive and luxury customers by tiering their offerings, does that "not even make financial sense"? Take a car with a base sound system and a premium one, is it idiotic to have the premium one given that they have to have two skus, two BOMs? Or does it make sense because they mark it up?

I’m completely relaxed. Just pointing out the obvious reason what you were suggesting wouldn’t make much sense.

As for the GH comparison, it doesn’t translate, as the vast majority is simply resold, with the higher purity often sold at a higher price and marketed as premium. But there’s not additional overhead for the reseller.

Finally, while I’m rooting for this vendor, I don’t think they’ll reach the scale of a car manufacturer in order to apply your car stereo analogy. So while “broadly” your expanded idea makes sense, in the context of what was being discussed, it doesn’t.

 

[BALLISTIC]

I’ve got the question before but idk how to do it? What’s a good amount of credit ?

It’s just hard to verify because what my response is on a gram of week could be what someone else’s response is on 300mg a week. Doesn’t mean the gear is bad it means we all respond different which we do

I think Jano better

Yeah I would stick to Jano test Sp5der. I've seen labs testing being scammed before. Not that he is that person. But I can have multiple handles on different forums, post the same labs and claim who's T I'm running to get compensated.

 

[readalot]

What’s a good amount of credit ?

I think Jano is better

Outdated and few understand PK profiles or WTF the "test multiplier" means. Fluctuations in SHBG and running orals alongside Test, LCMS TT assay? A state of perpetual confusion.

Good for you.

 

[sp5der]

Yeah I would stick to Jano test Sp5der. I've seen labs testing being scammed before. Not that he is that person. But I can have multiple handles on different forums, post the same labs and claim who's T I'm running to get compensated.

Yeah I think blood tests was a thing before jano came out

 

[yepyep12]

I’ve got the question before but idk how to do it? What’s a good amount of credit ?

It’s just hard to verify because what my response is on a gram of week could be what someone else’s response is on 300mg a week. Doesn’t mean the gear is bad it means we all respond different which we do

I think Jano better

I've seen sources not offer it at all, but the ones that do offer them have been between 100-300 for uncapped testing. Some have it limited to 1 or 2 credits per year or 1 a life time it's all up to you. I agree with your rational that jano is enough if enough people send in blind tests. It's just a question I wanted to ask.

 

[sp5der]

relax man, you act like this source isnt doing things others wont. sure you can argue in the end price is what people care about but i promise you theres a strong market of older less tolerant men with worst immune systems with MONEY who want GOOD and QUALITY. you can not have both at least long term. Not only is he using the best oil hes also using the best stoppers. WHAT exactly is this not worth the premium? 35 a vial for test E with GOOD ingredients is very unheard of and personally speaking id pay for that. you either in this for the long run or just want a fun time and dont care about your body breaking down. both of which is fully valid. 50 dollars for a vial of test? sure pushing the pockets of some people but hes using GOOD quality ingredients which COSTS money.

you either go volume and cheap out to meet a price
or sell small but GO all in with every aspect of your business so you justify the price you wish to charge and each model here has a pro and con.

i personally prefer the small and make what you can sell the best it can possible be but thats just me

not all gear is created equal and this over arching "its either sterile or its not" really falls short for alot of unknowns we have yet to prove or do know. There a heck of alot room for improvement for all aspects in this business and small sources looking to do better than the best should be praised to the highest degree least we stiffle progess with archaic cave man ooga boogas get hurt when newbies figure things out more than they did.

Imagine if this logic stuck from decades ago when people thought passing Ba through some filter makes it sterile? Ogs saying "good enough" but was it? truly?

Progress over stifling and rot please. 100% support for spider.

Thank you for your comments. I appreciate the words.

 

[Infernalmango]

I’ve got the question before but idk how to do it? What’s a good amount of credit ?

It’s just hard to verify because what my response is on a gram of week could be what someone else’s response is on 300mg a week. Doesn’t mean the gear is bad it means we all respond different which we do

I think Jano better

Don’t do bloodwork credit imo. Trash metric to gauge quality gear.

 

[sp5der]

Don’t do bloodwork credit imo. Trash metric to gauge quality gear.

I've seen sources not offer it at all, but the ones that do offer them have been between 100-300 for uncapped testing. Some have it limited to 1 or 2 credits per year or 1 a life time it's all up to you. I agree with your rational that jano is enough if enough people send in blind tests. It's just a question I wanted to ask.

Yeah I think we continue with the jano + shipping full reimbursement + $50 time cost reimbursement since it only takes 5 mins to buy a label and drop it at ups