OEP LABS Domestic

[danny91t]

Let me do it right now left shoulder 25g 1 inch, Fresh pin. Draw pin 20g. Old school method. Volume 1ml.

LFG!!

 

[Photon]

Let me do it right now left shoulder 25g 1 inch, Fresh pin. Draw pin 20g. Old school method. Volume 1ml.

Get it hot first.
AD50 crashes after 1 week at 3/50
Some of my AD75 vials are crashing in <24 hours..

 

[RockyP]

Get it hot first.
AD50 crashes after 1 week at 3/50
Some of my AD75 vials are crashing in <24 hours..

Is it better to keep the entire vial warmed for the duration of use or to warm the loaded syringe in the wipe warmer. I’m not a fan of heating plastic but 30-60 mins in the wipe warmer at 99? How long can the vial contents withstand a temp of 99F before degradation of the API, you were to leave it in there say for 2 weeks until you used it all? I know that if there is visible crashing it’s best to hest by conduction on the mug warmer etc but once that’s done is it best to keep the entire vial warmed via convection in the wipe warmer or let the vial sit at room temp and then warm the drawn up contents in the syringe prior to pinning? I guess what I’m asking is if it’s preferable for longer duration of warming for the entire vial with in the wiper warmer at 99F w/ risk for api degradation vs just warming the loaded syringe with risk for heating plastic.

@AllGoodThings any input from you on this would also be appreciated brother

 

[Jsilk757]

Is it better to keep the entire vial warmed for the duration of use or to warm the loaded syringe in the wipe warmer. I’m not a fan of heating plastic but 30-60 mins in the wipe warmer at 99? How long can the vial contents withstand a temp of 99F before degradation of the API, you were to leave it in there say for 2 weeks until you used it all? I know that if there is visible crashing it’s best to hest by conduction on the mug warmer etc but once that’s done is it best to keep the entire vial warmed via convection in the wipe warmer or let the vial sit at room temp and then warm the drawn up contents in the syringe prior to pinning? I guess what I’m asking is if it’s preferable for longer duration of warming for the entire vial with in the wiper warmer at 99F w/ risk for api degradation vs just warming the loaded syringe with risk for heating plastic.

@AllGoodThings any input from you on this would also be appreciated brother

As I was concerned about degradation of API and keeping a whole vial in the warmer for a month at a time. I ended up buying a bunch of sterile 3ml vials (they will hold 4.8ml) and I fill it with 1week worth, then place in the baby warmer. Cheap insurance

Haven’t tried the inj ADROL/SDROL yet. But I have done this with TNE and Primo ( offshore rigs stay at 68 or below). So I try to keep what I’m injecting warm. I do toss my daily pin syringe in the warmer for ten min prior to injecting. Smooth like butter

 

[AllGoodThings]

Is it better to keep the entire vial warmed for the duration of use or to warm the loaded syringe in the wipe warmer. I’m not a fan of heating plastic but 30-60 mins in the wipe warmer at 99? How long can the vial contents withstand a temp of 99F before degradation of the API, you were to leave it in there say for 2 weeks until you used it all? I know that if there is visible crashing it’s best to hest by conduction on the mug warmer etc but once that’s done is it best to keep the entire vial warmed via convection in the wipe warmer or let the vial sit at room temp and then warm the drawn up contents in the syringe prior to pinning? I guess what I’m asking is if it’s preferable for longer duration of warming for the entire vial with in the wiper warmer at 99F w/ risk for api degradation vs just warming the loaded syringe with risk for heating plastic.

@AllGoodThings any input from you on this would also be appreciated brother

What I've noticed is that extended times (day or weeks) at lower but still warm temps don't always dissolve crystals back into solution, and a higher temp is required. This is AI, so the info should be corroborated, but here's what it says about AAS and warmer temps;



I've checked my wipe warmer, and on it'd lowest setting, the oil is right at 99° F, which I personally am comfortable using for about 1 months worth of storage, although longer is likely okay too. As far as syringes are concerned, I only leave those in there for a couple hours prior to an injection. One solution could be to get some spare vials, load them with what you want kept warmed, and that way you're not leaving full 10 or 12ml vials at higher temps for longer periods of time.

 

[RockyP]

What I've noticed is that extended times (day or weeks) at lower but still warm temps don't always dissolve crystals back into solution, and a higher temp is required. This is AI, so the info should be corroborated, but here's what it says about AAS and warmer temps;

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I've checked my wipe warmer, and on it'd lowest setting, the oil is right at 99° F, which I personally am comfortable using for about 1 months worth of storage, although longer is likely okay too. As far as syringes are concerned, I only leave those in there for a couple hours prior to an injection. One solution could be to get some spare vials, load them with what you want kept warmed, and that way you're not leaving full 10 or 12ml vials at higher temps for longer periods of time.

Thank you sir.

Quite the conundrum. According to this data we can’t keep it too warm for too long. I’m thinking my protocol (at least for the injectable anadrol which seems to be prone to crashing to crystals that may not be seen) is going to be each vial on the mug warmer for a brief time when it’s opened and then 99F in the wipe warmer. I’ll be going through the vials in 2-3 weeks so hopefully that is a decent solution.

 

[AllGoodThings]

Thank you sir.

Quite the conundrum. According to this data we can’t keep it too warm for too long. I’m thinking my protocol (at least for the injectable anadrol which seems to be prone to crashing to crystals that may not be seen) is going to be each vial on the mug warmer for a brief time when it’s opened and then 99F in the wipe warmer. I’ll be going through the vials in 2-3 weeks so hopefully that is a decent solution.

I would personally be comfortable with that protocol. One thing we could do is send some various samples to jano to see if certain periods of time at elevated temps make a notable difference in potency and other metrics that can be quantified through available testing.

 

[Erock523]

How many days worth of pins do yall feel comfortable with preloading?

 

[RockyP]

How many days worth of pins do yall feel comfortable with preloading?

In the warmer I just do one for an hour before pinning. But at room temp back in the day I’d load 5-7 at a time. Nowadays I have more free time and just do it daily.

 

[Erock523]

In the warmer I just do one for an hour before pinning. But at room temp back in the day I’d load 5-7 at a time. Nowadays I have more free time and just do it daily.

I don’t use a warmer. Just run it under hot water before using. Free time is something I don’t have very much of unfortunately and I just switched to daily pins. Just trying to save myself some time lol

 

[Dial It In]

Thank you sir.

Quite the conundrum. According to this data we can’t keep it too warm for too long. I’m thinking my protocol (at least for the injectable anadrol which seems to be prone to crashing to crystals that may not be seen) is going to be each vial on the mug warmer for a brief time when it’s opened and then 99F in the wipe warmer. I’ll be going through the vials in 2-3 weeks so hopefully that is a decent solution.

I have the exact same warmer as allgood does and I just fire mine up about a hour before hand.

 

[RockyP]

I have the exact same warmer as allgood does and I just fire mine up about a hour before hand.

I have that one also. The seller of those things just bought his third Ferrari

Only issue, at least with the Anadrol, is that it seems each vial needs the mug warmer first as they appear to be crashed (but not obviously so). Afterwards, the wipe warmer for storage until use.

I still prefer all of these extra steps rather than using guiacol

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

If I’ve read the articles correctly, trest a has such a short half life it never really builds up/saturates in your system- it’s in and out the same day.

Most trest a studies I found puts the half-life at 8 hours. Some studies data vary from 2 hour to 24 hour half-life.

I’ve saw reports of trest e having a 4-5 day half-life. This means it will build up over time and also less pinning as you’ve mentioned.

Please read up yourself- I am new to ment and could be wrong/confused. I’ve done some homework but am still learning about it.

Once trestolone is released from the ester it is gone fast, as there is no reservoir from SHBG binding. All of it is immediately available to be metabolized/excited.

Trestolone acetate has a fast release time, apparently less than testosterone or trenbolone for some reason, so requires at the very minimum once daily injections. Twice daily is better. Upside are (1) dose can be adjusted very quickly based on tolerance and side effects and (2) daily peaks and troughs reduce side effects compared to steady state, injections can be timed for peak blood levels during and post-workout, with fall off overnight for improved sleep. Short esters are also somewhat less anabolic over but also don't raise hematocrit nearly as much as long esters. Think of the AAS most known for increasing hematocrit - they are all long esters that are dosed high (testosterone C/E/D, boldenone U, and primbolan E). It generally does not happen with short esters or longer esters dosed low ie acetate or proprionate, DHB, or TNE.

Trestolone enanthate is a good choice once you know how much actual trestolone you can take before it causes issues. I'd still suggest daily or EOD injections.

To get an equivalent amount of trestolone with enanthate, you will need to dose 15-18% more mg compared to acetate. The net trestolone will still be slightly less at 15%, but this is more than made up for by more near steady state levels. With 18%, the net mg is basically identical.

Trestolone decanoate also exists but I'd avoid, with possible exception of HRT with E3D or weekly injections totaling 25-30mg per week.

 

[Veinyone]

Let me do it right now left shoulder 25g 1 inch, Fresh pin. Draw pin 20g. Old school method. Volume 1ml.

Bro why are you harpooning yourself with a 25g needle when your shit is so thin and smooth that you can push it through a 30g with ease?!? I use BD 30g Precision Glide 1” luer lock needles. I Draw with 20g and pin with the 30g. Way less tissue damage and doesnt take long at all to inject 1ml. Those needles are kind of hard to find, but I stock piled a 1000 or so lol.

 

[hcgfiend123456]

Let me do it right now left shoulder 25g 1 inch, Fresh pin. Draw pin 20g. Old school method. Volume 1ml.

Out here doing the lords work

 

[The Answ3r]

Should help clear things up. Test D looks hella promising as well. Fingers crossed bang a toe!


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Sir, I know this isn’t the final price list yet, but please consider putting a per customer cap. Something like max 5 vials for Test D, Ment, and Halo. Otherwise you already know how this goes… one guy sees “no limit” and immediately turns into “give me the whole shelf, I’ll take everything.”

 

[Vikingo]

Sir, I know this isn’t the final price list yet, but please consider putting a per customer cap. Something like max 5 vials for Test D, Ment, and Halo. Otherwise you already know how this goes… one guy sees “no limit” and immediately turns into “give me the whole shelf, I’ll take everything.”

I would add injectable anadrol to that list as well.

 

[Photon]

Is it better to keep the entire vial warmed for the duration of use or to warm the loaded syringe in the wipe warmer. I’m not a fan of heating plastic but 30-60 mins in the wipe warmer at 99? How long can the vial contents withstand a temp of 99F before degradation of the API, you were to leave it in there say for 2 weeks until you used it all? I know that if there is visible crashing it’s best to hest by conduction on the mug warmer etc but once that’s done is it best to keep the entire vial warmed via convection in the wipe warmer or let the vial sit at room temp and then warm the drawn up contents in the syringe prior to pinning? I guess what I’m asking is if it’s preferable for longer duration of warming for the entire vial with in the wiper warmer at 99F w/ risk for api degradation vs just warming the loaded syringe with risk for heating plastic.

@AllGoodThings any input from you on this would also be appreciated brother

AFAIK the API doesn't degrade easily.
I rarely heat up syringes, with the exception of carn and glute, because carn and glut degrade under heat, and long term exposure to heat by placing them vials in the babywipe warmer makes it unusable (cloudy)

Only issue, at least with the Anadrol, is that it seems each vial needs the mug warmer first as they appear to be crashed (but not obviously so).

The crashing is indeed not obvious.

Once trestolone is released from the ester it is gone fast, as there is no reservoir from SHBG binding. All of it is immediately available to be metabolized/excited.

Trestolone acetate has a fast release time, apparently less than testosterone or trenbolone for some reason, so requires at the very minimum once daily injections. Twice daily is better. Upside are (1) dose can be adjusted very quickly based on tolerance and side effects and (2) daily peaks and troughs reduce side effects compared to steady state, injections can be timed for peak blood levels during and post-workout, with fall off overnight for improved sleep. Short esters are also somewhat less anabolic over but also don't raise hematocrit nearly as much as long esters. Think of the AAS most known for increasing hematocrit - they are all long esters that are dosed high (testosterone C/E/D, boldenone U, and primbolan E). It generally does not happen with short esters or longer esters dosed low ie acetate or proprionate, DHB, or TNE.

Trestolone enanthate is a good choice once you know how much actual trestolone you can take before it causes issues. I'd still suggest daily or EOD injections.

To get an equivalent amount of trestolone with enanthate, you will need to dose 15-18% more mg compared to acetate. The net trestolone will still be slightly less at 15%, but this is more than made up for by more near steady state levels. With 18%, the net mg is basically identical.

Trestolone decanoate also exists but I'd avoid, with possible exception of HRT with E3D or weekly injections totaling 25-30mg per week.

Is there a SERM or AI that you'd recommend to use with dbol?
I know you recommend masin for Trest methyl e2.
Unfortunately i have a lifetimes supply of dbol, but even with an e2 sensitive <10, it gives me..sensitive nips..

 

[CHIEF M]

QUICK Announcement on Compound: TREST ENANTHATE.

I understand not all will see this but hopefully majority following my thread will. I have the opportunity to get my hands on something quite rare. I didn't even see this available domestic anywhere searching for price comparisons, only international vendors have this compound. While the price is not cheap even international found best at $90ea. per 10ML.

Reason I'm asking is it would be disheartening if it just stayed in my hoarding box. I know I just purchased a solid amount of Trestolone Ace, but Men... I cant express how rare Trest Enanthate is and more so it being available domestic. The vendor I'm dealing with has limited supply, all of the testing most definitely will be conducted as we have been doing so. Purity report followed by HPLC testing.

If you do a quick search you will see how this is a unicorn so to speak.

Price wise on the purpleturtle list. I'm going to shoot off the mind in mig812 dosed at 75mg per ml for Trest Enanthate in 10ML, $110. Hopefully not breaking any rules forgive me if I am sir i will edit if so little excited about finding this to be honest!

Please all and any thoughts on this Im all ears. Price, dose, ester and all. The material is not cheap which is what reflects also the price per each. Again all ears Men!

Let’s goooooo

 

[Oldhand]

Once trestolone is released from the ester it is gone fast, as there is no reservoir from SHBG binding. All of it is immediately available to be metabolized/excited.

Thank you for this part. I was sitting here wondering why the half-life of ment a was so much less than tren a. This explains it well.