PUBLIC HEALTH & FRAUD ALERT PRIMAL PHARMA US DOMESTIC: A Stanford Chemist's Scientific Autopsy of Primal Pharma's Contaminated & Counterfeit Products

[The Answ3r]

Let’s be honest. This looks less like a “public health warning” and more like a case of someone who’s simply too fat and too dumb to be using gear.

Your real name, Stanford flex, and Olympiad medals don’t mean a damn thing here. If you actually knew what you were doing, you wouldn’t need to drop credentials like a resume or rely on ChatGPT style prose to think and write for you.

Being Stanford trained doesn’t magically make you competent with injectables, formulation issues, or risk management. It just makes this rant longer.

At this point it reads like an overweight troll matching the photo you posted, trying to scare @Primal_Pharma into paying up. Less “scientific audit,” more “I messed up and now I’m angry.”

 

[Earthworm Jim]

They can’t post lab pictures because they saw how that went with Olympian. It’s really that simple. This is the colonial, juiceape, muscle candy, healthy hippo, Olympian rebrand. It’s painfully obvious.

The thing that concerns me is the snitching allegations. A thread was posted here by an obvious associate doxxing juice and axle. He claims juice is working for the dea after being busted driving with gear. Legal documents were posted as proof there and if you google the address given by the defendant in those documents and do a bit of digging you will find deed information for his new address, showing the mentioned individual lives a mere 15 minutes from where primal ships his packs. Go figure.

You're saying it looks like primal is working for the dea?

 

[frenexen]

I know Meso has to make money but I’m so tired of these zero post idiots spamming the forum after donating to access the underground.

 

[Whistles77]

Honestly, even the images look AI generated. Look at the underwear. Lauren is with an "i." This is guardbanding by AI, where it modifies the images it creates purposely so there's always a telltale sign it was AI generated. Even the kerning and positioning of each letter of the text is fucked up. Either this is Alibaba Ralph Lauren underwear or it was AI generated.

I'd be betting it's just a fake, but you could be right. Saddest thing ever if its AI. I wonder what the prompt would've been.

The stanford flex also doesn't work. Looks like he was undergrad in physics around 2022 and not might be theoretical physics research assistant. About as relevant as my Oxford degree in Classics and English. At the most basic level even the title of this post "A Stanford Chemist's Scientific Autopsy", is a lie.

 

[mdrnico]

Congrats, man. This post made it to the first page of your Google search results.

You should remove PII from your posts ASAP, even if you're using someone else's name.

 

[AIRBORNE DADDY]

No pip turned abscess here after test c, e, tren e and mast p.... but what do I know, my degree is from Pikes Peak Community College with 3 credits in Hoe Management from Darnells School of Pimpin.

 

[AIRBORNE DADDY]

So Uncle Stanny's chemist left and joined Primal?

 

[nullandvoid]

OP...

 

[Ateam2023]

What muscle was that supposed to be ? that looks way too low to be a VG and definitely out of place for a glute shot , that whole post is cringe, and it looks like he's got several other "sores" that have healed up, idk , looks like he doesn't know how to inject properly.

 

[adrenalytic]

What muscle was that supposed to be ? that looks way too low to be a VG and definitely out of place for a glute shot , that whole post is cringe, and it looks like he's got several other "sores" that have healed up, idk , looks like he doesn't know how to inject properly.

What you're seeing is a fat, pimply, pasty mass of flesh. Bro needs a 3 inch needle to hit muscle.

 

[Ateam2023]

Brothers,


My name is Paul Haidu Gerea. I am not an anonymous poster. I am attaching my name to this analysis because the public health crisis I will detail is too severe for ambiguity.

Before I begin, let me address the obvious question: 'Why is a Stanford-trained chemist with IChO medals involved in this space?' The answer is simple: I believe in the science of human optimization, but I am deeply disillusioned with the gatekeeping and hypocrisy of the mainstream. This community exists because of a shared, rational pursuit of an edge. That pursuit is built on a fragile foundation of trust and a code of honor. We accept certain risks, but we do not accept the risk of being poisoned by incompetence or defrauded by malice. Primal Pharma has catastrophically violated that code.

This is not a customer service complaint. This is a scientific audit of a failed and dangerous operation.


PART I: ANALYSIS OF INJECTABLE CONTAMINATION & RESULTING MEDICAL EMERGENCY

Observation: An order of Testosterone and Masteron oils consistently produced severe, anomalous Post-Injection Pain (PIP), culminating in a medical crisis.

Chemical Analysis:
The Masteron vials arrived with severe crystallization (precipitation) of the drostanolone propionate ester. From a first-principles chemistry perspective, this "crashing" is an undeniable hallmark of a failed formulation. It indicates a supersaturated solution where the solute (the hormone) exceeds the carrying capacity of the solvent/oil matrix. This is typically caused by:

1. Improper Solvent Ratios: Insufficient benzyl alcohol (BA) or benzyl benzoate (BB) used to maintain the hormone's solubility.
2. Impure Raw Materials: The use of low-purity hormone powder, which has poorer solubility characteristics.
3. Carrier Oil Failure: Use of a low-quality or inappropriate carrier oil that cannot properly hold the compound in suspension.

Medical Consequence:
The injection of these unstable, contaminated solutions resulted in a predictable, severe inflammatory response. This was not standard PIP. It was characterized by extreme induration, erythema, and pyrexia, progressing to a well-defined sterile abscess with clear signs of central necrosis. This occurred systematically across all eight (8) vials and multiple, rotated injection sites (gluteal & ventrogluteal), using a flawless, single-use sterile protocol. This rules out "user error" and points directly to a high load of inflammatory contaminants (likely un-dissolved hormone micro-crystals and/or bacterial endotoxins) within the product itself.

Evidence:

• Fig. 1: High-resolution photograph of the precipitated Masteron vial.
• Fig. 2: Clinical photograph of the resulting sterile abscess. (WARNING: GRAPHIC)

PART II: ANALYSIS OF ORAL ADULTERATION & FRAUD


The systemic failure extended to the oral compounds.

• Anavar (Oxandrolone): The product was demonstrably counterfeit. It produced significant edema (water retention), a pharmacological effect antithetical to Oxandrolone. This effect is the classic signature of substitution with a cheaper, easily synthesized, and estrogenic oral steroid, likely Dianabol (Methandrostenolone). This is verifiable via a standard sulfuric acid reagent test, where Dianabol produces a characteristic deep reddish-brown color, while pure Oxandrolone yields a pale yellow or no change.
• Clenbuterol: The product was inert. The lack of any beta-2 agonist activity (no thermogenic effect, no increase in heart rate, no tremors) even at doses escalating to 120mcg/day, indicates the product contained little to no active Clenbuterol Hydrochloride. Verifying this compound requires HPLC/MS, a test that any serious lab should be conducting on every batch. Their failure to do so is an act of gross negligence.

PART III: THE COMPANY'S RESPONSE & THE FINAL LIE


When I presented this mountain of evidence to Primal Pharma privately, I was met with insults and baseless accusations. However, in their rage, they made a critical error: they capitulated and agreed to issue a full refund.

(See Fig 3-6, in particular Fig 5: Screenshot of their email, where they state "We'll issue you a full refund... send me your BTC address so I get you taken care of.")

I provided my information as requested. That was over 72 hours ago.

No refund has been sent (one can check on the blockchain that there are no transaction to the given address).

They did not just sell me a dangerous and fraudulent product. They looked me in the eye, gave me their word that they would make it right, and then they lied. Their contempt for their customers is absolute.


CONCLUSION


The evidence is overwhelming and points to a single, terrifying conclusion: Primal Pharma is a dangerous, fraudulent, and dishonorable operator. Their injectables are contaminated, their orals are counterfeit, their business practices are reprehensible, and their word is worthless.

I was fortunate that my background in science allowed me to manage my own medical crisis. The next victim may not be so lucky.

This is my analysis. This is my evidence. I am attaching my name to this warning.


Paul Haidu Gerea
LakeMerritt13@proton.me

 

[nullandvoid]

It looks like a fat knee to me, so it's the knee muscle.

 

[adrenalytic]

It looks like a fat knee to me, so it's the knee muscle.

I can't unsee a knee now fuck

 

[k710]

Brothers,


My name is Paul Haidu Gerea. I am not an anonymous poster. I am attaching my name to this analysis because the public health crisis I will detail is too severe for ambiguity.

Before I begin, let me address the obvious question: 'Why is a Stanford-trained chemist with IChO medals involved in this space?' The answer is simple: I believe in the science of human optimization, but I am deeply disillusioned with the gatekeeping and hypocrisy of the mainstream. This community exists because of a shared, rational pursuit of an edge. That pursuit is built on a fragile foundation of trust and a code of honor. We accept certain risks, but we do not accept the risk of being poisoned by incompetence or defrauded by malice. Primal Pharma has catastrophically violated that code.

This is not a customer service complaint. This is a scientific audit of a failed and dangerous operation.


PART I: ANALYSIS OF INJECTABLE CONTAMINATION & RESULTING MEDICAL EMERGENCY

Observation: An order of Testosterone and Masteron oils consistently produced severe, anomalous Post-Injection Pain (PIP), culminating in a medical crisis.

Chemical Analysis:
The Masteron vials arrived with severe crystallization (precipitation) of the drostanolone propionate ester. From a first-principles chemistry perspective, this "crashing" is an undeniable hallmark of a failed formulation. It indicates a supersaturated solution where the solute (the hormone) exceeds the carrying capacity of the solvent/oil matrix. This is typically caused by:

1. Improper Solvent Ratios: Insufficient benzyl alcohol (BA) or benzyl benzoate (BB) used to maintain the hormone's solubility.
2. Impure Raw Materials: The use of low-purity hormone powder, which has poorer solubility characteristics.
3. Carrier Oil Failure: Use of a low-quality or inappropriate carrier oil that cannot properly hold the compound in suspension.

Medical Consequence:
The injection of these unstable, contaminated solutions resulted in a predictable, severe inflammatory response. This was not standard PIP. It was characterized by extreme induration, erythema, and pyrexia, progressing to a well-defined sterile abscess with clear signs of central necrosis. This occurred systematically across all eight (8) vials and multiple, rotated injection sites (gluteal & ventrogluteal), using a flawless, single-use sterile protocol. This rules out "user error" and points directly to a high load of inflammatory contaminants (likely un-dissolved hormone micro-crystals and/or bacterial endotoxins) within the product itself.

Evidence:

• Fig. 1: High-resolution photograph of the precipitated Masteron vial.
• Fig. 2: Clinical photograph of the resulting sterile abscess. (WARNING: GRAPHIC)

PART II: ANALYSIS OF ORAL ADULTERATION & FRAUD


The systemic failure extended to the oral compounds.

• Anavar (Oxandrolone): The product was demonstrably counterfeit. It produced significant edema (water retention), a pharmacological effect antithetical to Oxandrolone. This effect is the classic signature of substitution with a cheaper, easily synthesized, and estrogenic oral steroid, likely Dianabol (Methandrostenolone). This is verifiable via a standard sulfuric acid reagent test, where Dianabol produces a characteristic deep reddish-brown color, while pure Oxandrolone yields a pale yellow or no change.
• Clenbuterol: The product was inert. The lack of any beta-2 agonist activity (no thermogenic effect, no increase in heart rate, no tremors) even at doses escalating to 120mcg/day, indicates the product contained little to no active Clenbuterol Hydrochloride. Verifying this compound requires HPLC/MS, a test that any serious lab should be conducting on every batch. Their failure to do so is an act of gross negligence.

PART III: THE COMPANY'S RESPONSE & THE FINAL LIE


When I presented this mountain of evidence to Primal Pharma privately, I was met with insults and baseless accusations. However, in their rage, they made a critical error: they capitulated and agreed to issue a full refund.

(See Fig 3-6, in particular Fig 5: Screenshot of their email, where they state "We'll issue you a full refund... send me your BTC address so I get you taken care of.")

I provided my information as requested. That was over 72 hours ago.

No refund has been sent (one can check on the blockchain that there are no transaction to the given address).

They did not just sell me a dangerous and fraudulent product. They looked me in the eye, gave me their word that they would make it right, and then they lied. Their contempt for their customers is absolute.


CONCLUSION


The evidence is overwhelming and points to a single, terrifying conclusion: Primal Pharma is a dangerous, fraudulent, and dishonorable operator. Their injectables are contaminated, their orals are counterfeit, their business practices are reprehensible, and their word is worthless.

I was fortunate that my background in science allowed me to manage my own medical crisis. The next victim may not be so lucky.

This is my analysis. This is my evidence. I am attaching my name to this warning.


Paul Haidu Gerea
LakeMerritt13@proton.me

Sir, this is a forum of active, experienced and pretty smart people discussing years of personal experience and clinical research studies.
If you think anyone here didnt smell your bullshit from the first sentence of your post, than your intelligence (or lack there of) is showing.

You are a career Chemist, and you put your degree and reputation on the line for $1k of product? I sure hope for your sake that all information tied to this account and the name you posted is not in fact you or your career will be over with one email.

Now for whats really going on..
You are a broke POS scammer looking for opportunities to extort and blackmail vendors into a paycheck or free gear. Having chatgpt write this prompt for you highlights your laziness and incompetence in the field. There is nothing "scientific" about this post, just baseless accusations and a demonstration of "How not to Scam: 101".

Send your shit to Janoshik on your own dime or gtfo. I wouldnt give you a penny if I was Primal until results are back and show you sent in full sealed vials.

Looks like everyone here was able to tell your a terrible scammer from your very first post.

If anyone else feels the same way, make sure to report his posts and explain his extorition attempts under reasoning. This behavior should be instantly removed from the forums.

This is not a post from a customer seeking to turn a wrong into a right. Its a post from a theif, scheming to extort and blackmail a vendor by threatening to destroy their brand's reputation.

I bet if I took a search for similar posts through other forum boards, we would find an almost identical post attacking other vendors with the same script.

Do better guy.

 

[johnjay06]

You guys really believe that his post is real and he posted his real name? Lol come on, this screams troll from a mile away

 

[hard_gains]

Did buddy inject almost a whole bottle before he ran into this problem ?

 

[Tbaz192]

What muscle was that supposed to be ? that looks way too low to be a VG and definitely out of place for a glute shot , that whole post is cringe, and it looks like he's got several other "sores" that have healed up, idk , looks like he doesn't know how to inject properly.

My exact thoughts. wtf is that injection spot.
Just asking to miss the muscle and have oil sitting under the skin. No shit.

Because I’ve done that on accident with pharma and guess what… I had to take Doxy to fix it

 

[desertwarrior]

You're saying it looks like primal is working for the dea?

Yes. However I should have posted in his thread and not here because op is obviously full of shit and extorting and that dilutes this message.

I’m in contact with my guy @American Muscle who was kind enough to provide me with DM directly from muscle candy admitting him and axle ran juice ape, admitting their connections to colonial who we all know got busted. I’d be happy to share those via DM.

Now look at this thread.

G

Thread 'MUSCLE CANDY LAB EXPOSED!! RATS'

Apr 29, 2025

EDIT: Doxxing is prohibited.

XXXXXXX is a DEA rat do not sell him products or Raws to this man or this company he is buying Raws off of these sites and ratting to the DEA to get his case dropped in Houston Texas Harris County for being busted with gear. He is facing 10 to 99 years. He's trying to cancel out his competition. This community must be protected at all cost. This is public information if you do not believe me research it yourself.

• Ghosttexas234
• Replies: 98
• Forum: Steroid Underground

Clearly posted by an associate or ex colleague. The guy seems a bit unhinged and a real cunt for doxxing folks like that, but the trellis documents are real. Obviously an arrest was made. Now looking into that name. You realize this individual lived in a shack at the time of that arrest. Now one year later he not only not serving time but also purchasing multi million dollar homes.

Combine this information with the identical product line up, website similarities, similar meso intros ( look at the formatting and street name examples he gives when mentioning how to order), identical labels, flip tops, vial sizes, capsules, and the almost impossible odds that this person lives 15 minutes from where primal packs originate. I think a pretty compelling argument could be made that muscle candy is indeed a rat and that primal is muscle candy.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Brothers,


My name is Paul Haidu Gerea. I am not an anonymous poster. I am attaching my name to this analysis because the public health crisis I will detail is too severe for ambiguity.

Before I begin, let me address the obvious question: 'Why is a Stanford-trained chemist with IChO medals involved in this space?' The answer is simple: I believe in the science of human optimization, but I am deeply disillusioned with the gatekeeping and hypocrisy of the mainstream. This community exists because of a shared, rational pursuit of an edge. That pursuit is built on a fragile foundation of trust and a code of honor. We accept certain risks, but we do not accept the risk of being poisoned by incompetence or defrauded by malice. Primal Pharma has catastrophically violated that code.

This is not a customer service complaint. This is a scientific audit of a failed and dangerous operation.


PART I: ANALYSIS OF INJECTABLE CONTAMINATION & RESULTING MEDICAL EMERGENCY

Observation: An order of Testosterone and Masteron oils consistently produced severe, anomalous Post-Injection Pain (PIP), culminating in a medical crisis.

Chemical Analysis:
The Masteron vials arrived with severe crystallization (precipitation) of the drostanolone propionate ester. From a first-principles chemistry perspective, this "crashing" is an undeniable hallmark of a failed formulation. It indicates a supersaturated solution where the solute (the hormone) exceeds the carrying capacity of the solvent/oil matrix. This is typically caused by:

1. Improper Solvent Ratios: Insufficient benzyl alcohol (BA) or benzyl benzoate (BB) used to maintain the hormone's solubility.
2. Impure Raw Materials: The use of low-purity hormone powder, which has poorer solubility characteristics.
3. Carrier Oil Failure: Use of a low-quality or inappropriate carrier oil that cannot properly hold the compound in suspension.

Medical Consequence:
The injection of these unstable, contaminated solutions resulted in a predictable, severe inflammatory response. This was not standard PIP. It was characterized by extreme induration, erythema, and pyrexia, progressing to a well-defined sterile abscess with clear signs of central necrosis. This occurred systematically across all eight (8) vials and multiple, rotated injection sites (gluteal & ventrogluteal), using a flawless, single-use sterile protocol. This rules out "user error" and points directly to a high load of inflammatory contaminants (likely un-dissolved hormone micro-crystals and/or bacterial endotoxins) within the product itself.

Evidence:

• Fig. 1: High-resolution photograph of the precipitated Masteron vial.
• Fig. 2: Clinical photograph of the resulting sterile abscess. (WARNING: GRAPHIC)

PART II: ANALYSIS OF ORAL ADULTERATION & FRAUD


The systemic failure extended to the oral compounds.

• Anavar (Oxandrolone): The product was demonstrably counterfeit. It produced significant edema (water retention), a pharmacological effect antithetical to Oxandrolone. This effect is the classic signature of substitution with a cheaper, easily synthesized, and estrogenic oral steroid, likely Dianabol (Methandrostenolone). This is verifiable via a standard sulfuric acid reagent test, where Dianabol produces a characteristic deep reddish-brown color, while pure Oxandrolone yields a pale yellow or no change.
• Clenbuterol: The product was inert. The lack of any beta-2 agonist activity (no thermogenic effect, no increase in heart rate, no tremors) even at doses escalating to 120mcg/day, indicates the product contained little to no active Clenbuterol Hydrochloride. Verifying this compound requires HPLC/MS, a test that any serious lab should be conducting on every batch. Their failure to do so is an act of gross negligence.

PART III: THE COMPANY'S RESPONSE & THE FINAL LIE


When I presented this mountain of evidence to Primal Pharma privately, I was met with insults and baseless accusations. However, in their rage, they made a critical error: they capitulated and agreed to issue a full refund.

(See Fig 3-6, in particular Fig 5: Screenshot of their email, where they state "We'll issue you a full refund... send me your BTC address so I get you taken care of.")

I provided my information as requested. That was over 72 hours ago.

No refund has been sent (one can check on the blockchain that there are no transaction to the given address).

They did not just sell me a dangerous and fraudulent product. They looked me in the eye, gave me their word that they would make it right, and then they lied. Their contempt for their customers is absolute.


CONCLUSION


The evidence is overwhelming and points to a single, terrifying conclusion: Primal Pharma is a dangerous, fraudulent, and dishonorable operator. Their injectables are contaminated, their orals are counterfeit, their business practices are reprehensible, and their word is worthless.

I was fortunate that my background in science allowed me to manage my own medical crisis. The next victim may not be so lucky.

This is my analysis. This is my evidence. I am attaching my name to this warning.


Paul Haidu Gerea
LakeMerritt13@proton.me

That's one helluva intro post

 

[Dial It In]

That's one helluva intro post

At least he did one lmao