can’t stay asleep

[syuri]

Not allowed to mention sources here, but go to the Steroid Underground section and you'll find what you need there

All good. Thanks for your explanation on Mirtz- love reading stuff like that where the drugs are really explained!

 

[syuri]

Sertraline is great. I'd only take it solo if it weren't for the fact the emotional numbing and dick numbing are the same receptor....

It's like you just don't give a shit. Not in a negative way but like just chilled out.

It's kind of the opposite of teenage angst.

Reminds me of the joke:

Two bulls were sitting on the top of a hill. An old bull and a young bull.

The young bull says to the elder "let's run down there and fuck some heifers!"

The old bull turns slowly and says "they are fenced in, let's walk down there and fuck all of them."

Anyway I don't know why SSRIs get so much hate.

Interesting, that’s so interesting… SSRI’s are super fascinating to me. Been spending all of today and yesterday watching video breakdowns on them

Thanks for the reply once again. I’m not even sure if I want to up my Lexapro (still getting anxiety at this dose) and rather I might want to see how I bode with Sert. I’ll figure it out haha

 

[bananafeet]

Interesting, that’s so interesting… SSRI’s are super fascinating to me. Been spending all of today and yesterday watching video breakdowns on them

Thanks for the reply once again. I’m not even sure if I want to up my Lexapro (still getting anxiety at this dose) and rather I might want to see how I bode with Sert. I’ll figure it out haha

They all work about the same. But the side effects and individual tolerance is what sets them apart. Sertraline is a heart safe choice. So I'm staying with it.

 

[ThreeSix]

Interesting thread. When it comes to sleeping problems and total dose of androgens. I heard the more gear you are on, the harder your body is in overdrive (increased fight or flight). By your guys experience, do all androgens increase fight or flight (lets say for example a primobolan), or would only testosterone do that.
Thinking of dropping the primo and ony slightly reducing test. could that still improve sleep and nervous tone?

 

[Raww]

Interesting thread. When it comes to sleeping problems and total dose of androgens. I heard the more gear you are on, the harder your body is in overdrive (increased fight or flight). By your guys experience, do all androgens increase fight or flight (lets say for example a primobolan), or would only testosterone do that.
Thinking of dropping the primo and ony slightly reducing test. could that still improve sleep and nervous tone?

From what I've heard and experienced - yeah, more gear = more more wired. But also, the thing you are running has a big impact. Tren, halo and test at large doses really get the cns amped.

Primo shouldn't actually be a major contributor - it's pretty mild.

I would think in your case lowering test itself would deal with the sleep issue - unless you need to change the primo to match with that lowered test dose.

 

[heady muscle]

hey all,

been dealing with not being able to stay asleep, and more recently, falling asleep, albeit i don’t see it as much of an issue. i get 4-5 hours of poor sleep and feel mid throughout the day.

stats:
6ft, 185lbs (around 12% BF)

my stack:
300 test (started with 200, slept fine on it) still sleep fine since upping
2mg tesamorelin pre bed
3mg tirz weekly

adding soon
70mg tren ace weekly

adding tren has me worried for how my sleep quality may end up.

i haven’t been able to consistently stay asleep and always wake up around 2-4 am, with my bedtime being 9pm. i believe i might be having a cortisol spike in the morning but I’m unsure what could be causing it. i eat a TBSP of honey pre bed to steer away from any possible hypoglycemic wakings. i also wake several times throughout the night to pee, even with being conservative of fluid intake after 3pm.

additionally, i haven’t been able to get good deep sleep (according to my apple watch)

i’ve taken:
400-1.2g magnesium glys pre bed (not much effect)
400mg l-theanine
5-htp
2-3g GABA
1200mg ashwaghanda (lowered my cortisol under the ref. range!)

i have trazodone and gabapentin on hand but i don’t want to start relying on them to sleep. i want to see if there’s any other drugs, tips or supplements that could help this sleep issue.

other stats:
training 6x a week
no anxiety, i feel kickass
eating in a slight surplus~ maintenance
5-10k steps daily
always wake and sleep at same time

Pick up some Gorilla Dream. Two capsules and I am out cold.

 

[syuri]

Been on 15mg Mirtazapine this past week

Best week of sleep In my life. Been sleeping way better. I do have an awakening later in the night, but I find it to be way easier to brush it off and fall right back asleep. It’s a gamechanger.

I may also get a script for an Orexin antagonist this Friday… I see my PCP and will try to bargain for one. Can’t wait to see how it goes!

 

[Ateam2023]

Last night was the best sleep I've had in over three years I didn't take my usual sleep stack and I only took 300 mg of trazodone and 1 mg of DSIP and the results speak for themselves, I'm gonna continue this experiment for a couple more nights to see if it was a one off or I might be onto something

 

[King_Cnut]

Last night was the best sleep I've had in over three years I didn't take my usual sleep stack and I only took 300 mg of trazodone and 1 mg of DSIP and the results speak for themselves, I'm gonna continue this experiment for a couple more nights to see if it was a one off or I might be onto somethingView attachment 373090

Just a heads up, 300-600 mg is actually a full antidepressant dose, and significantly above the low dose required for sleep purposes. At this dose, it is acting as a full SSRI (like sertraline, escitalopram, etc.)

The problem with this is that you can experience withdrawal symptoms and feel like complete shit if you don't then take your dose regularly. SSRIs need to be tapered off slowly. And guess what, trazodone is one of the worst for withdrawals because it has such a short half life

Skipping doses now is not a good idea. And if you want to come off it for any reason, you're gonna have to reduce the dose slowly and over several weeks. It might be advisable to do a straight swap to sertraline or escitalopram for this purpose when the time comes, as it will suck a lot less coming off those

I'm just some guy on the internet though, so speak to your doctor, etc.

 

[2envy]

Just a heads up, 300-600 mg is actually a full antidepressant dose, and significantly above the low dose required for sleep purposes. At this dose, it is acting as a full SSRI (like sertraline, escitalopram, etc.)

The problem with this is that you can experience withdrawal symptoms and feel like complete shit if you don't then take your dose regularly. SSRIs need to be tapered off slowly. And guess what, trazodone is one of the worst for withdrawals because it has such a short half life

Skipping doses now is not a good idea. And if you want to come off it for any reason, you're gonna have to reduce the dose slowly and over several weeks. It might be advisable to do a straight swap to sertraline or escitalopram for this purpose when the time comes, as it will suck a lot less coming off those

I'm just some guy on the internet though, so speak to your doctor, etc.

This guy is correct, generally speaking anything over 200mg of traz is considered SSRI dosages.

Generally speaking though, if you stick with 300mg you might have to taper down to not experience WDs. IMO I rather fuck with traz than any z drug or benzo. Not sure if any of you have been addicted to benzos but I promise you the WD symptoms make opioid WDs a walk in the park.

 

[syuri]

Last night was the best sleep I've had in over three years I didn't take my usual sleep stack and I only took 300 mg of trazodone and 1 mg of DSIP and the results speak for themselves, I'm gonna continue this experiment for a couple more nights to see if it was a one off or I might be onto somethingView attachment 373090

Bet that felt good, lol

If high dose Trazodone is working for you, maybe Mirtazapine would work even better for you (albeit the appetite part is the only sucky part)

Glad to see though!

 

[Ateam2023]

Bet that felt good, lol

If high dose Trazodone is working for you, maybe Mirtazapine would work even better for you (albeit the appetite part is the only sucky part)

Glad to see though!

No thank you, I'm not trying anything new the Trazadone has been working for me for 10 years so to switch to another antidepressant drug and have to adjust is just not something I'm really looking to get into.