Primo Pip

[Ataemonus]

genuine IQlet.
every brewer can figure out a PIPless Test 400/500 recipe in less than a month when starting from absolute zero.
If you know the recipe already, you just have to do the manual labor of brewing and filtering.

What is it with these people calling tried and tested Brews "arguments" and treat them as if they were something theoretical and hadnt ever been brewed? Its as if you dont believe people can homebrew gear. Or figure out how to make PIPless blends.

Have you never homebrewed yourself? do you solely rely on the mercy of some UGL because you are too lazy to source raws? these kids nowadays....

You gotta realize, a lot of the AAS userbase is on a vigoroussteve level when it comes to brewing knowledge, and they think every test E over 250 has EO or guaiacol in it. the broad userbase is scared of high concentration gear and too laze to try and learn what it is they are scared of.
Plus they rarely use enough gear to actually need high concentration gear.

Never brewed myself, I thought that was obvious and implied. I rely on whatever sources are available to me, a list which has vastly expanded since Meso RX
I forget what the discussion started from, what I actually was curious was why do UGLs only make high concentration Deca and EQ and not others. Otherwise, I have seen people using custom gear with higher concentration than what is widely available, again, mostly on Meso RX.

As for the Vigorous Steve level, the ones I personally know and talk to, are in fact way below VS level.
If VS wasn't so full of himself, he would actually provide some decent info.

 

[dinfar1337]

You gotta realize, a lot of the AAS userbase is on a vigoroussteve level when it comes to brewing knowledge, and they think every test E over 250 has EO or guaiacol in it. the broad userbase is scared of high concentration gear and too laze to try and learn what it is they are scared of.

hey now we are speaking high concentration brews

you and @Sampei better throw some recipes in my dms XD

tren hex

test d

thank you!

better waste of time than chatting with a mongrel

 

[Ateam2023]

Any argument to prove your point ? Because the molar mass of Masteron is actually higher than that of Primo, so judging solely by that, it should actually be harder to get higher concentration Mast that it is to get highly concentrated Primo. But perhaps there are other factors that I am not aware of and that you know.

I have some Mast e 400 mg/ml in gso that is smoooooth as silk , no pip and fairly thin viscosity

 

[shredded.lyfe]

Never brewed myself, I thought that was obvious and implied. I rely on whatever sources are available to me, a list which has vastly expanded since Meso RX
I forget what the discussion started from, what I actually was curious was why do UGLs only make high concentration Deca and EQ and not others. Otherwise, I have seen people using custom gear with higher concentration than what is widely available, again, mostly on Meso RX.

As for the Vigorous Steve level, the ones I personally know and talk to, are in fact way below VS level.
If VS wasn't so full of himself, he would actually provide some decent info.

EQ raw is a liquid and doesn't need solvents (duh).

600mg EQ is like 3% oil

This is why you're being flamed about not knowing anything, you should probably get a base level of understanding how your shit is being made before you start wondering why certain things aren't on offer.

And I'll give you a simple answer, it all comes down to popularity, people want mcdonalds and don't like cooking their own meals, you think that mentality only applies to food?

 

[Scob]

wwb primo pip is the worst i concur
something in that primo 200 gives me nodules for 5-7 days

 

[Ataemonus]

This is why you're being flamed about not knowing anything, you should probably get a base level of understanding how your shit is being made before you start wondering why certain things aren't on offer.

And I'll give you a simple answer, it all comes down to popularity, people want mcdonalds and don't like cooking their own meals, you think that mentality only applies to food?

I repeatedly said I know pretty much nothing, if I already "knew my shit" as you so eloquently put it, I would not wonder, would I ? Not much logic being used here. Also, I did not exactly wonder, I just said there must be reasons why said concentrations are not being offered and I was asking what those reasons might be, also offered some assumptions on the subject.
It would more like it seem that I am being flamed because people are trying to appear smart instead of giving simple answers, some even try to appear smart even though they can barely write a sentence that makes sense in English.

As for you analogy, well, brewing gear requires not only basic knowledge, but also specialized equipment, it's not even close to resembling cooking food at home unless you can buy whatever equipment in any local appliance store or it is already available in any house you rent.

If EQ is liquid in raw, that surely makes sense, simple and to the point answer, thank you. I learned something and now I know a bit more.
I have also seen Deca in high concentrations, your answer about popularity seems to apply here as well.

 

[dinfar1337]

As for you analogy, well, brewing gear requires not only basic knowledge, but also specialized equipment, it's not even close to resembling cooking food at home unless you can buy whatever equipment in any local appliance store or it is already available in any house you rent.

shut up

 

[Ataemonus]

shut up

I was wrong, turns out it is the exact opposite ...

people are trying to appear smart instead of giving simple answers

 

[IndividualMan]

specialized equipmen

I have seen someone make TEst E in a new set of ikea glassware.
Specialized equipment lmao

are trying to appear smart

you do not seem to be doing that

 

[IndividualMan]

As for you analogy, well, brewing gear requires not only basic knowledge, but also specialized equipment, it's not even close to resembling cooking food at home unless you can buy whatever equipment in any local appliance store or it is already available in any house you rent.

I have seen someone brew Test E in a set of ikea drinking glasses (bought fresh) because he couldnt wait for his 12 dollar lab glassware from Amazon to arrive the next day.
So much for specialized equipment

 

[Ataemonus]

I have seen someone brew Test E in a set of ikea drinking glasses (bought fresh) because he couldnt wait for his 12 dollar lab glassware from Amazon to arrive the next day.
So much for specialized equipment

Again, I have no idea what equipment is involved in brewing gear, but I don't think it takes just two glasses, does it ? I would venture a guess that for sanitary reasons more is required.

 

[IndividualMan]

as long as they have been sterilized, (can be done crudely) or even properly disinfected you are good.
not ideal but can be done.

There is a sticky thread on here for all needed brewing supplies, but all you really need is:
BA
BB
Oil
Raws
1 container (disinfected, empty)
1 filter (.22 Ptfe)
syringes
needles
vial (sterile, sealed, number needed depends on batch size)

Ethanol/surface disinfectant/skin disinfectant
paper towel
OR
one of those little presterilized alcohol swabs.

thats it. excluding raws less than 100 bucks if you know where to look, less than 200 if you go for better materials or just go for convenience (amazon same day delivery)

oh and I forgot: heat. Stovetop, or putting the container in hot water if you dont got a stove. not recommended tho, water and oil is a big no-no

 

[dinfar1337]

Again, I have no idea what equipment is involved in brewing gear, but I don't think it takes just two glasses, does it ? I would venture a guess that for sanitary reasons more is required.

you

 

[fw190jd]

Not gonna lie, I’m firmly in the “mix it in one pin” camp
I draw my test and primo into the same syringe, let it sit in hot tap water for like 3–4 minutes (nothing crazy—no stove-top chemistry experiment), then send it.
For me, it makes a huge difference. Oil flows smoother, injection’s easier, and PIP goes from “why did I do this to myself?” to “eh, barely noticeable.” If I skip warming it? Forget it—hello golf ball ️‍.
Could be placebo, could be viscosity, could be the bodybuilding gods smiling on me—who knows. All I know is warmed oil = happier muscle in my experience.
YMMV, not advice, just one meathead sharing what’s kept him from limping around like he lost a bar fight

 

[IndividualMan]

Not gonna lie, I’m firmly in the “mix it in one pin” camp
I draw my test and primo into the same syringe, let it sit in hot tap water for like 3–4 minutes (nothing crazy—no stove-top chemistry experiment), then send it.
For me, it makes a huge difference. Oil flows smoother, injection’s easier, and PIP goes from “why did I do this to myself?” to “eh, barely noticeable.” If I skip warming it? Forget it—hello golf ball ️‍.
Could be placebo, could be viscosity, could be the bodybuilding gods smiling on me—who knows. All I know is warmed oil = happier muscle in my experience.
YMMV, not advice, just one meathead sharing what’s kept him from limping around like he lost a bar fight

water is trickier than just puttingthe vial in am ug heater or on a stovetop imo. but the temp is usually easier to control, so thats that