Tbol or dbol along side trt.

[Switcha2011]

Hi guys hope you all had a good christmas/new year.

Ive currently been on TRT for around 9 months now. Im thinking of adding either some dbol or tbol into the mix for 6-8 weeks. Ive taken dbol during past cycles but never tbol. Looking to gain strength and put some mass on while not putting to much fat on. Given this im swaying more towards tbol. Whats people's advice/protocols on tbol over dbol?? Tia.

 

[Mfras]

Dbol will introduce bigtime estrogen, tbol won’t.

Why not just up the test if you want durable gains?

 

[adrenalytic]

Hi guys hope you all had a good christmas/new year.

Ive currently been on TRT for around 9 months now. Im thinking of adding either some dbol or tbol into the mix for 6-8 weeks. Ive taken dbol during past cycles but never tbol. Looking to gain strength and put some mass on while not putting to much fat on. Given this im swaying more towards tbol. Whats people's advice/protocols on tbol over dbol?? Tia.

tbol is quite toxic. Never run it personally but the literature suggests not using it beyond a couple weeks. Not sure if I've seen injectable tbol around but if you can find it I'd suggest that over oral. Injectable anadrol might be the better option if you have access.

 

[BigDadd7]

Two bad ideas. Just up the test.

 

[Switcha2011]

Was trying to keep test at the trt range and not go up or down with that, so thought just add a oral in.

 

[Mfras]

Was trying to keep test at the trt range and not go up or down with that, so thought just add a oral in.

That’s backwards. Orals are ‘less safe’ and you can run test at 300/week with little to no side effects and probably get more gains that stay. Doing a blast of 500/week test, especially as a first timer will both teach you how to read bloodwork and how to control e2 for your individual response- super valuable skills if you want to ever step farther into peds. Plus you will definitely make gains and if you don’t have to pct because you can just drop back to TRT they will most likely be kept.

 

[Switcha2011]

That’s backwards. Orals are ‘less safe’ and you can run test at 300/week with little to no side effects and probably get more gains that stay. Doing a blast of 500/week test, especially as a first timer will both teach you how to read bloodwork and how to control e2 for your individual response- super valuable skills if you want to ever step farther into peds. Plus you will definitely make gains and if you don’t have to pct because you can just drop back to TRT they will most likely be kept.

Appreciate the advice. Ive ran several cycles in the past. Have ran dbol npp and test before.

 

[Cyp180]

I would do Dbol and control your Estrogen.

 

[Mfras]

I would do Dbol and control your Estrogen.

I thought dbol was super light on actual gains just heavy on temporary strength? I mean I tried it recently and read up after and that’s the impression I got.

If you like NPP why not just do that? It’s my favorite for gaining lean mass.

 

[RockyP]

Need to do a lot more reading before you do anything. Orals really are not worth it for most users aside from contest prep or intermittent preworkout use. Injectables are much safer (we can exclude Tren and injectable orals for now), and test is in fact best.

Skip the orals. Increase the test if anything. Whether or not you put fat on is 100% diet related and not at all to do with gear.

 

[Switcha2011]

Im thinking of upping my test, adding some npp and in two minds about adding the dbol/tbol. When ive used it before the rapid strength and size gains make it so appealing. Would be 4 weeks as a kick-start if anything.

 

[Bigjay209]

Hi guys hope you all had a good christmas/new year.

Ive currently been on TRT for around 9 months now. Im thinking of adding either some dbol or tbol into the mix for 6-8 weeks. Ive taken dbol during past cycles but never tbol. Looking to gain strength and put some mass on while not putting to much fat on. Given this im swaying more towards tbol. Whats people's advice/protocols on tbol over dbol?? Tia.

Neither. Up the test.

 

[Bigjay209]

Im thinking of upping my test, adding some npp and in two minds about adding the dbol/tbol. When ive used it before the rapid strength and size gains make it so appealing. Would be 4 weeks as a kick-start if anything.

NPP + Dbol is going to get you issues if you run that too long or at too high a dose. I would suggest introducing the NPP as you end the dbol. Mixing these you may run into some hard to control gyno.

 

[webstar138]

Orals are tempting as you see rapid strength gains, etc. In my opinion though, a 20mg anavar pre leg day or whatever here and there is far better than wrecking lips and liver values from weeks on unless youre competing. Up the test gradually, take anavar or something if you want a strong training session. Build the sustainable gains through high test

 

[RockyP]

Re visiting this thread again. It’s very important, and a lot of users never do this, to find out how much test you can run without problems like gyno, excess E2, other lab abnormalities. Believe me I know how much fun it is to try new things, but Kurt havens was right and I’ve proven it to myself that at the end of the day, if you are not competing, you can get what you’re looking for with just test and GH, provided your estrogen is controlled. Most pros run very simple cycles of test, GH, and one other anabolic that agrees with them. I like DHT’s but nandrolone is my jam. I run it with some Masteron to keep side effects at bay and with a modest test base I can cut or bulk on it. No excess water or anything. But it took some trial and error to figure that out.

Personal opinion is that tbol and dbol are body best suited for the waste basket. The oral’s are seductive because they are easy and hit fast but trust me they aren’t worth it outside of contest prep and occasional preworkout use. You can be big, hard, vascular, and dry with just test as long as your estrogen is controlled and your diet is on point. I didn’t come up with this. I learned it from experienced users / professionals and I had to experiment for years and waste lots of time and money before it sunk in

 

[Photon]

TRT?
Tbol replacement therapy?

 

[usmc9191]

Fuck it run Halo.

 

[Elektrobot]

Would be 4 weeks as a kick-start

How did you come up with that plan?

If you were going to use compounds like this, add them at the end when you food is at its max.

Your gains at the beginning of the cycle are going to come easiest. Taking more drugs when you least need them is senseless.

Whats your full cycle design?

 

[TheDuderino85]

Another low dose injectable will be safer, be ran for longer, and give you better results IMO

OR

Just up the test a little.

 

[the_pope]

NPP + Dbol is going to get you issues if you run that too long or at too high a dose. I would suggest introducing the NPP as you end the dbol. Mixing these you may run into some hard to control gyno.

Don't kickstart. If you were to add an oral, add it to the end of the cycle to break plateaus.

That said, don't use an oral. Use a higher test dose, adding an AI if necessary. Or use another injectable if preferred. You mentioned NPP, that will work better than any oral.

Personally I like dbol a lot, it makes me feel great, but it can't be run for long and it hits your lipids hard. I run it for 4 weeks at the end of bulks and I shouldn't, because it is completely unnecessary and liver toxic.